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Tranka Verrane
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:18:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Horrus Khrosian
Edited by: Horrus Khrosian on 11/10/2010 19:17:17
Originally by: Poastingalt
It seems like people love to hate L4 mission grinding. I think having that income potential to fall back on allows EVE to be an actual game instead of a vile parody of real life. The players who can make it that far, whether or not the actual missions are something they enjoy, are imo the ones that are more likely to stick.
This is quite true. I've found that self-sustaining characters are the ones who last. Rookies who go into something unrelated (be it mining, hardcore frigate training for pvp, exploration, etc) eventually run into hard times and turn to missions themselves or they quit. Nothing else really substitutes well for someone who just had the bottom fall out of their wallet for whatever reason.
There's nothing wrong with being self-sustaining, in fact I encourage it, and missioning, enormously. I'd say the majority that play Eve do so for the PVE content, and a further majority beyond that use the PVE content to make isk because they have to. Only a small minority never touch it, they are just very vocal.
But that has nothing to do with not being social. There are many chat channels, devoted to player interaction that aren't all about spamming people or insulting people. This is an online game, we're supposed to be playing it together. There's lots of other games you can go play by yourself. If you've been sold the idea by someone that you shouldn't talk to anyone in case they spoil your enjoyment of Eve then the terrorists have won. They already have spoilt it, you will just never know.
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Mercfh
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Posted - 2010.10.13 04:26:00 -
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Im new (3 days old) I joined a Mining Corp and am loving it. They are very nice! (bubba ho-tep)
Personally I found everyone very helpful, it's def. a different game but I love it either way!.
I chose Amarr cause their ships looked cool ^_^
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:35:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Poastingalt
Reading about things like Hulkageddon probably doesn't help much either at first blush.
On the contrary, reading about things like hulkageddon is the reason me and 2 of my friends decided to start playing eve.
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MuscularTeeth
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:34:00 -
[64]
Hello.
I'm new. few months old.
I joined with my friend - MALKMAN.
We pretty much created a corp straight away and have been winging it since.
We defintly intend to stay.
My one disagreement with forum stuff that seems to be consistant though would be;
dont obsess over the learning skills.
train up in things you want to try out - if that means everything try it. dont sit there doing learning x5 and not playing the game. that would be really boring.
I have enjoyed eve so much i recently posted something in MY EVE about composing music based on this game. anyways hi to all you fellow new peoples. hope you stay, as it would be a boring place without others.. allies or foes - either way.
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Vani Nostro
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.13 15:06:00 -
[65]
I am a few days old, enjoying myself very much trying to get a feel for the game and trying out different things. Eventually I will try and get into a corporation as well but believe it or not - currently I am having too much fun noobing around and learning from my mistakes :)
EVE looks very promising so far and just what I have been looking for, it really does seem like whatever you choose to do has consequences. I like that.
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Jenny Biomass
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Posted - 2010.10.13 22:53:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: Horrus Khrosian
Edited by: Horrus Khrosian on 11/10/2010 19:17:17
Originally by: Poastingalt
It seems like people love to hate L4 mission grinding. I think having that income potential to fall back on allows EVE to be an actual game instead of a vile parody of real life. The players who can make it that far, whether or not the actual missions are something they enjoy, are imo the ones that are more likely to stick.
This is quite true. I've found that self-sustaining characters are the ones who last. Rookies who go into something unrelated (be it mining, hardcore frigate training for pvp, exploration, etc) eventually run into hard times and turn to missions themselves or they quit. Nothing else really substitutes well for someone who just had the bottom fall out of their wallet for whatever reason.
There's nothing wrong with being self-sustaining, in fact I encourage it, and missioning, enormously. I'd say the majority that play Eve do so for the PVE content, and a further majority beyond that use the PVE content to make isk because they have to. Only a small minority never touch it, they are just very vocal.
But that has nothing to do with not being social. There are many chat channels, devoted to player interaction that aren't all about spamming people or insulting people. This is an online game, we're supposed to be playing it together. There's lots of other games you can go play by yourself. If you've been sold the idea by someone that you shouldn't talk to anyone in case they spoil your enjoyment of Eve then the terrorists have won. They already have spoilt it, you will just never know.
OP completely missed the point. They don't stay because they can play by themselves! They stay because they have some leverage when talking to prospective corps and et cetera. Building trust and making new friends is way much easier when you haven't got to force the issue.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2010.10.13 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dian'h Might
Edited by: Dian''h Might on 06/10/2010 05:02:29
I think the biggest mistake new players make is find a group of vets to "help" them.
This is so true.
Personally, I go out of my way to give blatantly bad information, or if I am feeling generous, cryptic barely understandable info. IMO this firstly weeds out the people who aren't able to think for themselves, and secondly gets those who ARE able to think for themselves out figuring the stuff out on their own.
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Tranka Verrane
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.13 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Biomass
OP completely missed the point. They don't stay because they can play by themselves! They stay because they have some leverage when talking to prospective corps and et cetera. Building trust and making new friends is way much easier when you haven't got to force the issue.
I'm obviously still missing it, as I don't see any logical point here at all. So they are not speaking to anyone in order to make it easier to talk to people later? How does that help? Sounds to me like you're confusing talking to people with the sideshow that is recruitment.
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Jenny Biomass
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Posted - 2010.10.14 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane
To all those people not talking to people at all ingame: This is a multiplayer game. There is nothing to lose in talking to people, and everything to lose in not doing so. If you don't chat ingame you may as well not play at all. Do yourself a favour and be trusting enough to talk. What are you worried you'll lose?
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
I'm obviously still missing it, as I don't see any logical point here at all. So they are not speaking to anyone in order to make it easier to talk to people later? How does that help? Sounds to me like you're confusing talking to people with the sideshow that is recruitment.
Exactly right. They are not speaking to anyone in order to make it easier to talk to people later.
Here's how it allegedly helps: Anonymity is not really protection, but reputation is definitely vulnerability when your name's not Chribba. To some of these players, holding out until recruitment is the way around that. Later is the time when you'll be able to do stuff! Later is when you'll have corpmates that maybe don't want to stab you! Later is how the skill system is built!
So anything they can do to move towards a position of strength is a better move than talking to people indiscriminately right now. Talking to people right now now just isn't important enough to run the risk that someone will decide to hunt them right now. Until The Right Time arrives, it's forum warfare on anonymous alts forever.
If you're looking for logic, you have to use their logic, not yours.
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Tranka Verrane
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.14 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Biomass
Exactly right. They are not speaking to anyone in order to make it easier to talk to people later.
Here's how it allegedly helps: Anonymity is not really protection, but reputation is definitely vulnerability when your name's not Chribba. To some of these players, holding out until recruitment is the way around that. Later is the time when you'll be able to do stuff! Later is when you'll have corpmates that maybe don't want to stab you! Later is how the skill system is built!
So anything they can do to move towards a position of strength is a better move than talking to people indiscriminately right now. Talking to people right now now just isn't important enough to run the risk that someone will decide to hunt them right now. Until The Right Time arrives, it's forum warfare on anonymous alts forever.
If you're looking for logic, you have to use their logic, not yours.
What you suggest is only logical if their activity involves acting like a complete ass. People hunt other people down because of their ingame activities, not because they talked to people unless, as I say, they are a complete tool about it. I'm hardly shy about my opinions on any channel and nobody has ever decided to hunt me down because of it. So maybe you're suggesting that it's more the case that either people don't want to talk or I wouldn't want to talk to them even if they did. How depressing a view.
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Kulan Reyla
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Posted - 2010.10.14 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Biomass
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
To all those people not talking to people at all ingame: This is a multiplayer game. There is nothing to lose in talking to people, and everything to lose in not doing so. If you don't chat ingame you may as well not play at all. Do yourself a favour and be trusting enough to talk. What are you worried you'll lose?
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
I'm obviously still missing it, as I don't see any logical point here at all. So they are not speaking to anyone in order to make it easier to talk to people later? How does that help? Sounds to me like you're confusing talking to people with the sideshow that is recruitment.
Exactly right. They are not speaking to anyone in order to make it easier to talk to people later.
Here's how it allegedly helps: Anonymity is not really protection, but reputation is definitely vulnerability when your name's not Chribba. To some of these players, holding out until recruitment is the way around that. Later is the time when you'll be able to do stuff! Later is when you'll have corpmates that maybe don't want to stab you! Later is how the skill system is built!
So anything they can do to move towards a position of strength is a better move than talking to people indiscriminately right now. Talking to people right now now just isn't important enough to run the risk that someone will decide to hunt them right now. Until The Right Time arrives, it's forum warfare on anonymous alts forever.
If you're looking for logic, you have to use their logic, not yours.
Good post.
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GoSpeed Racer
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Posted - 2010.10.14 23:16:00 -
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I've been playing about a month and I still feel pretty damned small flying around in my Catalyst. Two weeks in I decided to fly my Cat to look at the Eve Gate and maybe kill a few rats in the first 0.0 system I entered. A couple of strangers near a station destroyed my ship after I ignored and invite to join their "fleet". Fortunately the ship was insured and my account was flushed with cash so replacing the vessel was an easy task. It was then I learned that strangers will kill you if they can and I needed a bigger ship to survive. Not necessarily to fight but to survive long enough to escape. So I am training up to fly a cruiser and doing PVE to earn money in the meantime.
I've had a few offers t join a corp but I don't feel I'm at a level where I can make it worth their while. (Plus the fact they were all in Europe and I'm stateside. The time difference is too much.) I'm here for the long haul if I can find a good corp.
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Poastin Tart
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Posted - 2010.10.15 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: GoSpeed Racer
It was then I learned that strangers will kill you if they can and I needed a smaller, faster ship to survive.
fixed that for ya mate
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Dessau
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:07:00 -
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I'm pretty green, around day 5 or so of my Capsuleer career. I was referred to the game by a friend who I played with in another title, and was briefed on how things work, more or less. I am trying to absorb as much New Eden lore as technical/tactical info, and have been pleasantly surprised by EVE so far. I'd like this to be my diversion for some time to come.
That said, I've read enough around the net to conclude that I won't be approaching others in game for a long time. Maybe when I'm capable of providing real PvP support, or when my exploratory skills are worthy of demanding a consulting commission. There's so much learning to do. 1-2 years, perhaps? Until then, I'll still make use of the Corp channel, which is a handy source for answers to questions I haven't thought to ask. Other than that, I'll spend most of my time offline with skills queued up, or running missions to pay for new skillbooks.
I guess that makes me part of the problem... ?
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Starnap
Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2010.10.18 11:54:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Dessau
That said, I've read enough around the net to conclude that I won't be approaching others in game for a long time. Maybe when I'm capable of providing real PvP support, or when my exploratory skills are worthy of demanding a consulting commission. There's so much learning to do. 1-2 years, perhaps? Until then, I'll still make use of the Corp channel, which is a handy source for answers to questions I haven't thought to ask. Other than that, I'll spend most of my time offline with skills queued up, or running missions to pay for new skillbooks.
I guess that makes me part of the problem... ?
Yes it does. Go have fun.
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HexFortuna
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Posted - 2010.10.26 05:25:00 -
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I'm fairly new, finally decided to take the plunge and sub as the trial ran out - I'm trying to take the game as seriously as I can. It is an EXTREMELY deep game, and this is both awesome and off-putting. I really am trying to read as much as I can without letting it psyche me out; it's pretty easy for us n00bs to get overwhelmed and feel like we will never know enough to actually be able to enjoy the game.
All that being said, I'm really enjoying my time so far and although I don't have the kind of playtime that would probably enable me to get into the cool metagame stuff, just the fact that it exists and that I have the opportunity to really affect other people's experience is rad. Frankly, the rush I got today from getting making ISK off of a lucky buy/sell order flip has been one of the coolest things - mainly because I know that it wasn't a randomly generated encounter!
In short - your new players may not be the ideal, but a lot of us really appreciate the game and will be sticking with it as long as we can; and we will definitely do whatever we can to keep this incredible game expanding (with more RL people, not just alts!)
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Ragnar256
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.26 05:38:00 -
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Less than a month in and I already got a couple cruisers, a Mammoth, a few Rifters, and a Thrasher. Got them through rat hunting and salvaging. In an hour, I find making a million or two to be a fairly easy task.
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Joe Forum
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.26 09:02:00 -
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I'm going into my 3rd month, I interested enough in the game to have already gotten a second account.
The forums are like all game forums, some helpful people, some crusaders to become forum gods, and random walls of guys who feel macho due to having an advanced character.
The amount of information you need to take in is colossal. In my 3 months i think I've spent more time mining while listening to podcasts and reading blogs than anything else. I only get a small amount of time during a week to play games so I imagine it will be some months yet before I understand enough to do much more.
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Eskeriss
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Posted - 2010.10.27 22:26:00 -
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I'm new and I want to stick around. I can't see ever buying a second account though.
This game feels more corp based than any other I've played (guild, corp, superteam, whatever you want to call it) as there's no structure for the new player to follow.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2010.10.28 09:57:00 -
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Talking to people in this game is not the problem, it's the fact that most people don't realise that talking **** or using big words can get you in trouble. Much more so than other games your playtime CAN be affected by other players. It's the people who really don't have a clue that smack/idiot chat the most because they're not used to having their bull**** called.
To any new players, DO talk to people, ask questions as long as you take a pro active stance towards EVE (instead of whining and pointing fingers) I very much doubt you'll get in trouble, and if you ask the right people then you'll get the proper answers.
Lots of people are idiots, be they new players or long term EVE players. Try not to be the idiot and try to find the non-idiots to talk to.
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Tranka Verrane
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2010.10.30 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tranka Verrane on 30/10/2010 10:50:43
Originally by: Marko Riva
Talking to people in this game is not the problem, it's the fact that most people don't realise that talking **** or using big words can get you in trouble. Much more so than other games your playtime CAN be affected by other players. It's the people who really don't have a clue that smack/idiot chat the most because they're not used to having their bull**** called.
To any new players, DO talk to people, ask questions as long as you take a pro active stance towards EVE (instead of whining and pointing fingers) I very much doubt you'll get in trouble, and if you ask the right people then you'll get the proper answers.
Lots of people are idiots, be they new players or long term EVE players. Try not to be the idiot and try to find the non-idiots to talk to.
Quite right. It's the people that aren't asses that I'm trying to get talking. If you are going to smack/troll/*****/whine then I don't want to talk to you anyway. I can't believe though that those are the only people still coming into the game. Did Eve soak up every decent MMO player there is already?
Edit: I can say male donkey but not lady dog? How arbitrary.
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Captain Charis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.30 16:18:00 -
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I just started this month, and hope to stick around. I do talk to people. Have I lost a few Rifters? Yep. It was pretty funny. :P And one of the guys who blew me up gave me 3 mil afterwards. Even pirates are generally just nice people having fun. You might find one of your best friends being the person who blew up your frigate a week ago.
Read up on the scams. If you know how not to fall for them, you can talk to people as much as you want and not worry about it. Just... find a safe spot to talk from. ;)
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2010.10.31 01:43:00 -
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I started about 2 months ago and am doing pretty well so far. I don't play that often (compared to my past gaming history) but I have every intention of sticking with this game for quite some time yet.
I have been fortunate enough to meet up with some very helpful people, both new and old, and have learned much from them. Already I am praised for having such a good working knowledge of the game in so little time, and I owe it all to them. I know what it's like to have trouble finding help, so if you have questions or want to chat, send me an in-game mail or something.
I specialize in mining but I have studied the basics of combat, electronic warfare, industry, weapons, and tech 1 ships in pretty good detail.
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Xercodo
Amarr
INESTO Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.31 08:32:00 -
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shout out to the newbs here
join "the ale house" channel if u wanna meet a bunch of new ppl and need some ppl to talk with to get used to the game and not feel so utterly alone
if u feel you need more personal help then feel free to look my up in game, send a mail, or join the channel in my bio ^^
if u do join the channel just send me a mail so i know to expect the new face
i turned off my CSPA so ur fine ^^
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Terrorform
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Posted - 2010.10.31 11:16:00 -
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"quote" If you're new to the game and planning to stick with it, please post here to assuage my fears. As an incentive I'll send the first page of New Citizens (new players posting a serious reply) a million isk each."/quote"
I've been playing for 2 months. Started on the first of September. Absolutely love the game, despite having regular connection issues with the eve server. (The "evil" socket closed error.)
I plan on making this my new home. As of now, I have time for no other game, which is the way I like it.
....and I would talk more in game, but generally I'm too busy killing things :D
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Ella Fabray
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Posted - 2010.11.02 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ella Fabray on 02/11/2010 02:52:28
I'm new to EVE, but not to MMOs
I started a trial earlier this year, but had to stop due to real life commitments. I have some time to play now. Not sure if i will stick around. Just having fun mining my way up to a barge.
Usually spend most of my gaming time in WoW. But as many may know, things are a little quiet over there right now.
Not sure i'm happy with Gallente. I've heard people talk about them be inferior to other ships, and i'm not sure i will like the play style. Drones and hybrid turrets dont really excite me that much. I'm still a baby, so i might make a switch.
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Shahirahh Orgasana
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.04 15:42:00 -
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Relatively new here... been playing for a couple of months now. I guess I've been caught in the trap of concentrating on the training/newb missions and not talking to people much. Going to try to fix that!
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Major Alpha
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Posted - 2010.11.05 10:14:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Ella Fabray
Edited by: Ella Fabray on 02/11/2010 02:52:28
I'm new to EVE, but not to MMOs
I started a trial earlier this year, but had to stop due to real life commitments. I have some time to play now. Not sure if i will stick around. Just having fun mining my way up to a barge.
Usually spend most of my gaming time in WoW. But as many may know, things are a little quiet over there right now.
Not sure i'm happy with Gallente. I've heard people talk about them be inferior to other ships, and i'm not sure i will like the play style. Drones and hybrid turrets dont really excite me that much. I'm still a baby, so i might make a switch.
You said WOW
Please quit the game and give me your stuffz...
Thanks
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Asharia Fabray
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Posted - 2010.11.05 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Asharia Fabray on 05/11/2010 11:06:48
Originally by: Major Alpha
Originally by: Ella Fabray
Edited by: Ella Fabray on 02/11/2010 02:52:28
I'm new to EVE, but not to MMOs
I started a trial earlier this year, but had to stop due to real life commitments. I have some time to play now. Not sure if i will stick around. Just having fun mining my way up to a barge.
Usually spend most of my gaming time in WoW. But as many may know, things are a little quiet over there right now.
Not sure i'm happy with Gallente. I've heard people talk about them be inferior to other ships, and i'm not sure i will like the play style. Drones and hybrid turrets dont really excite me that much. I'm still a baby, so i might make a switch.
You said WOW
Please quit the game and give me your stuffz...
Thanks
I'm sorry, didnt realise i'm not welcome here. Sorry, i dont have much 'stuffz'. :P
edit: oops, it picked the wrong character for some reason
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