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Szcwczuc
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:31:00 -
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A+++ would read **** post again
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Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Roc Wieler
Originally by: Kile Kitmoore Roc, you are a well respected member of the EVE community. I have only one request, beg a mod to take down your post. Any further communication between CCP and yourself should remain private and professional. Good luck, live and learn.
Thanks for the comments.
Any further communications on this topic will be between myself, PyjamaSam, and Capsuleer. The intention here was to inform our users that the product offering was ending, nothing more.
Fly safe.
Quote: Perhaps the players will petition CCP to give us the business license we seek.
You sure about that?
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Krispy Dingo
Minmatar Strangers in a Strange Land
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
And this is one I have often wondered myself, what good does it really do you to monitor your accounts on your iPhone? I have the ability to VNC into my home PC from anywhere, launch EVE, and update queues, but I know not everyone can do that. Just a random question, reallyŕ
Let me go over some user cases where Capsuleer is clearly superior.
1) Speed. If I say I wonder if I need to train today or tomorrow, I can go from a powered off device to knowing the answer in under 5 seconds. On my computer, it approaches 30 seconds from clicking on icon to being able to get the information. I suspect your through in VNC and cell networks and the number goes up.
2) Multi-account - this is huge for me!!!! You can see what needs to be trained for 3 accounts in the same time as 1. Where as it would be two minutes to check three different queues using the client.
3) Push. From my turned off iPhone and iPad I hear a voice say "skill queue low" when there is less than 24 hours remaining. No EVE Gate "mobile web friendly" page can do that
reread that bullet point, meho. i never said anything about checking on my characters, i said update my training queues. if you have a way to do that within Capsuleer, please tell me how, because I have never seen it.
What I was driving at was that ou have your iPhone with you, you are at the local bar (deleted for obvious meanness) when Capsuleer says skill queue low. ZOMFFSM! I have less than 24 hours in my skill queue in EVE! I can't do a damn thing about it either! Where is the actual need to have a monitoring device on something that you cannot even run EVE on?
Also, I NEVER mentioned an EVE Gate mobile friendly. Pleas read the post before your comment on what I say, k?
As for "seeing what needs to be trained" you could not see what you needed to train short of digging into the skills and searching for what you were shooting for.
Oh, and here is a nice one, too. So, you need to monitor when your skills are ending. You install EVEMon. You turn on the external calendar and point it to your google calendar. You set up your google calendar on your iPhone. NOW you can get notifications of when your skills end clear down to 15min before hand!! WOWEEZOWEE the miracles of technology.
It was a good app that, quite frankly, had not been updated in a long time. Some small update pushes instead of waiting for the whole shebang would have been nice, but it never happened, and now never will.
Go get iClone, its a good app. _____________________________ http://twitter.com/krispy_dingo http://krispydingo.com |
Devoyd
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Krispy Dingo
Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
And this is one I have often wondered myself, what good does it really do you to monitor your accounts on your iPhone? I have the ability to VNC into my home PC from anywhere, launch EVE, and update queues, but I know not everyone can do that. Just a random question, reallyŕ
Let me go over some user cases where Capsuleer is clearly superior.
1) Speed. If I say I wonder if I need to train today or tomorrow, I can go from a powered off device to knowing the answer in under 5 seconds. On my computer, it approaches 30 seconds from clicking on icon to being able to get the information. I suspect your through in VNC and cell networks and the number goes up.
2) Multi-account - this is huge for me!!!! You can see what needs to be trained for 3 accounts in the same time as 1. Where as it would be two minutes to check three different queues using the client.
3) Push. From my turned off iPhone and iPad I hear a voice say "skill queue low" when there is less than 24 hours remaining. No EVE Gate "mobile web friendly" page can do that
reread that bullet point, meho. i never said anything about checking on my characters, i said update my training queues. if you have a way to do that within Capsuleer, please tell me how, because I have never seen it.
What I was driving at was that ou have your iPhone with you, you are at the local bar (deleted for obvious meanness) when Capsuleer says skill queue low. ZOMFFSM! I have less than 24 hours in my skill queue in EVE! I can't do a damn thing about it either! Where is the actual need to have a monitoring device on something that you cannot even run EVE on?
Also, I NEVER mentioned an EVE Gate mobile friendly. Pleas read the post before your comment on what I say, k?
As for "seeing what needs to be trained" you could not see what you needed to train short of digging into the skills and searching for what you were shooting for.
Oh, and here is a nice one, too. So, you need to monitor when your skills are ending. You install EVEMon. You turn on the external calendar and point it to your google calendar. You set up your google calendar on your iPhone. NOW you can get notifications of when your skills end clear down to 15min before hand!! WOWEEZOWEE the miracles of technology.
It was a good app that, quite frankly, had not been updated in a long time. Some small update pushes instead of waiting for the whole shebang would have been nice, but it never happened, and now never will.
Go get iClone, its a good app.
iClone blows. Too bulky, too slow.
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Autumn Equinox
Cloak and Daggers -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:41:00 -
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Capsuleer is my number 1 i-phone application, and the main reason I upgraded from an i-touch to an i-phone.
I do not want to get involved in any licence mumbo jumbo, but if it was on the itunes store for ú5, I would purchase it.
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Krispy Dingo
Minmatar Strangers in a Strange Land
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Krispy Dingo on 06/10/2010 22:29:47
Originally by: Devoyd iClone blows. Too bulky, too slow.
I used to feel that way, but anymore I actually find myself using all the features in it. If you could just update certain items on demand, it would be better. Also, it now has multitasking support, which is really nice. _____________________________ http://twitter.com/krispy_dingo http://krispydingo.com |
cinbar
Helen Burn Corp Noobswarm.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 23:39:00 -
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Capsuleer is the first app I open every day to see Eve headlines and track my character. I will actually be less motivated in playing Eve due to the lack of easy access to news and character tracking in a mobile platform for iPhone.
Whatever it takes....someone needs to come up with a solution to keeping Capsuleer alive. CCP, Pay for the app, Much more sponsors, whatever...
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Roc Wieler A subscription based platform for full API functionality was proposed to CCP to monetize Capsuleer, while keeping limited API features free for all users. Many new and robust features not to do with the EVE Online API were also in development.
Surely all that's needed from CCP is a licence to use their API for commercial purposes, then head off to the App Store/Android Market with a dollar value attached to the application or the subscription content?
CCP is in the business of licencing their IP, they've done it for the complete game (i.e.: to support the Chinese company running the game).
Perhaps the Capsuleer folks could head over to the Assembly Hall and write up exactly what it is they're after? Is it a commercial-use licence for the EVE API and certain EVE Online art?
Surely the best way to approach this is not to sell out to CCP as much as simply organising a commercial-use licence?
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Zifrian
Solstice Equilibrium Erebus Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:48:00 -
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Bah, just started using this. Great app. Really fast, and I liked getting the news feeds/dev blog on it.
Sad to see it go. It had tons of potential.
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Silence iKillYouu
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.10.07 01:34:00 -
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SAVE CAPSULEER!!!
I must use it about 100 times a day.
Roc ignore the trolls mate ppl gotta hate
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Chun Muzack
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Posted - 2010.10.07 03:15:00 -
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*wants an EveMon app now*
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Raceleader
Minmatar Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.07 13:52:00 -
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Capsuleer is a must have to every new eden pilot.
You can count on me for buying the software if it stays alive.
SAVE CAPSULEER !!!!
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ChrisIsherwood
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Posted - 2010.10.07 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: ChrisIsherwood on 07/10/2010 22:37:25
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
It was a good app that, quite frankly, had not been updated in a long time. Some small update pushes instead of waiting for the whole shebang would have been nice, but it never happened, and now never will.
agreed
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
What I was driving at was that ou have your iPhone with you, you are at the local bar (deleted for obvious meanness) when Capsuleer says skill queue low. ZOMFFSM! I have less than 24 hours in my skill queue in EVE! I can't do a damn thing about it either! Where is the actual need to have a monitoring device on something that you cannot even run EVE on?
??? Some people put PostIt notes on their refrigerator to take the car in to be serviced tomorrow even though they can't take it in tonight. Nor can they use the PostIt note to drive for that matter. I enjoyed having a reminder that sometime in the next day I needed to log on the computer that has EVE on it and log on the right account. In your example, I want to see when I get home from the bar do I even need to even turn on my pc, let alone log into EVE, and **** around with a skill queue.
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
Oh, and here is a nice one, too. So, you need to monitor when your skills are ending. You install EVEMon. You turn on the external calendar and point it to your google calendar. You set up your google calendar on your iPhone. NOW you can get notifications of when your skills end clear down to 15min before hand!! WOWEEZOWEE the miracles of technology.
So I need to 1) install EVEMon. 2) get a Google account, 3) install some beta software (Google Sync) to sync a calendar that will only have EVEMon skill notices in it 4) I still do not see what piece is doing the push? I am sitting on the couch with my iPhone off. Currently, at the appropriate time, the phone wakes up and capsuleer plays a voice saying "skill queue low". What is the software that wakes the iPhone to ding that my google calendar entry is ready? ( It probably is doable but I currently do not know how to do it. )
And isn't there now a hidden sync requirement in this? EVEMon publishes a calendar. Subsequently, I update a skill using the legacy EVE client. Now my iPhone has worse than no information in it, it has wrong information. In your example, I would need to drive home form the bar, run EVEMon to get the new API information, republish the google calendar and then I could drive back to the bar and check on my skills on the iPhone. (I am probably wrong by now but I am worried about the EVEMon->google->iPhone chain being able to deal with editing previous entries when my EVE skills are changed. My experiences several years ago with writing server software to generate calendar entires was that it was much more reliable to add something to an electronic calendar than it is to reliably edit a previously published entry. There wasn't a convenient unique key to find the entry to edit/delete.)
But certainly life will go on if I no longer use Capuleer or EVE for that matter. And simplifying my life by getting rid of some alt accounts will mitigate this loss and save me some money. And there are alternatives, including this thing called "paper" that I hear a few Luddites :-) use.
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Kenney Blair
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:30:00 -
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Save capsuleer! How dare ccp pod suck a great app for the iPhone. I would gladly pay for this app if ask. Ccp the capsuleer is a most have and you can't let it die!
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Chuck Sands
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Posted - 2010.10.08 03:11:00 -
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I love Capsuleer. I would really like to see CCP step in and work with these guys. I think that EVE could really use an official iOS and Android app, and these guys are without a doubt, the most qualified people for the job.
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External Factors
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Posted - 2010.10.08 08:39:00 -
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My user isn't pleased
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CanIHave YourStuff
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Posted - 2010.10.08 09:03:00 -
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Boo Hoo I guess sitting on your arse for 2 years not developing the app while waiting for a handout from CCP has made you butthurt enough to pull your underdeveloped crappy software. Perhaps if people genuinely liked your app they would have willingly donated for it.
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Rumple Fourskin
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Posted - 2010.10.08 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: CanIHave YourStuff Boo Hoo I guess sitting on your arse for 2 years not developing the app while waiting for a handout from CCP has made you butthurt enough to pull your underdeveloped crappy software. Perhaps if people genuinely liked your app they would have willingly donated for it.
I'm guessing you dont understand that without a license they cant accept any money?
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Tifforsia
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Posted - 2010.10.08 19:44:00 -
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I see it as a safety issue. It really isn't healthy to be so addicted to something so badly that you need to be connected to it 24/7/365 especially a computer game. Usually I'm against regulating people's behavior but drugs are illegal for a reason and apparently to some gutter crawling losers Capsuleer was a drug with to much eve in it. Get a prescription or htf.
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2010.10.08 20:10:00 -
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Since the initial announcement by the talented and driven guys behind Capsuleer (you can see beginning of this thread), I'd gotten a request from Massively.com for a CCP comment. Since several internal conversations were ongoing at the time, I had to delay a bit longer than I wanted to in our response to Massively with an offical CCP "statement" (god I hate that term).
We know that you guys have been clamoring for a similar statement (Ach, again!), so I wanted to bring that to you as soon as I possibly could. This answer is just as much for those of you wondering 'what the hell' as it is for Massively's readers.
CCP Oveur, Executive Producer here at CCP, very succinctly states what we all feel as a team, with a bit of a forward glimpse.
"We're incredibly saddened to see Capsuleer leave, it's used frequently by ourselves as well as a huge portion of the playerbase and is a stellar example of the third-party applications in the EVE universe. Our internal progress with evolving the third-party landscape has had a number of complications but expect that within the year, we will have a more open application program for all third-party developers to more easily sustain and potentially monetize on their efforts for the playerbase."
You can read the Massively article here, which just went up.
I use Capsuleer every day to keep track of the skill training of my five characters, and many other CCPers do as well. Major bummer to see it go. --CCP Manifest-- |
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Gajet
Gallente Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.10.08 20:50:00 -
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Update for iClone had been released. It now flies through updates and wallet works. It now blows Capsuleer out of the water in all but notifications.
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Vessper
NOVA TECH
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Posted - 2010.10.08 21:15:00 -
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I'm not going to speculate over the fine details of why and how but from a commercial decision, it makes sense and from a community point of view, it sucks. I do feel sorry for the Capsuleer devs though as according to this blog published in January 2006, anyone wanting to commercialize an application based on CCP data should contact them. Almost 5 years later and it seems they still haven't got a clue how to deal with this.
I was hoping that the good coming from the closure of Capsuleer would lead it to being open source but I think it's a smart move from them to hold on to that code for the time being to see what comes from this official statement.
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Hitori Tenchi
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Posted - 2010.10.08 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hitori Tenchi on 08/10/2010 21:59:14 Sorry to see this happen. I was a big fan of Capsuleer for the first week I had my new iPhone. Shortly after that I found iClone. While it was slow at first it has come a very long way as far as features and usability while capsuleer remained nearly stagnant as far as features went. Sure reading different blogs was ok but other than that and checking skills they didn't do too much with the app as far as growth and development were concerned. While iClone isn't perfect it is certainly a more robust app than capsuleer. I'm not happy to see capsuleer go as I still used it for reading the blogs which I found entertaining. I just use iClone more often because I'm not always able to hook into a wireless spot when I need to know where one of my assets is or how much isk one of my characters has or which one is closer to Jita, none of these things could be done with capsuleer. I enjoyed capsuleer and it was a great app, but I won't cry about it going away unless iClone shuts down development too. You will be missed capsuleer, but there are other apps out to take your place and I'm sure someone else will fill in any percieved void you left shortly.
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Vespa Milz
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Posted - 2010.10.08 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Vespa Milz on 08/10/2010 21:59:07 CCP wont develop a new app within a year. How many times have you promised us new things / changes and never delivered? Not endorsing Capsuleer is one of the most ret.arded moves you guys could make as a company. With the amount of bugs and problems in eve right now, and the number of people leaving, the best thing you could do right now is get Capsuleer up and running. Im sure it would be a pin prick out of your financial expenses every year. Hey...even allow us to change skills through the program and you would be amazed at how many people come back.
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Zieras
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Posted - 2010.10.08 22:49:00 -
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As so many others i really regret seeing thsi most usefull app disappear.
I can't help but wonder how it can be that so many EVE developers who use this app can't affect CCP to take some form of action. Either by purchasing the app code and making it an official EVE extension. Or by allowing the Capsuleer developers to monetize off the app via appstore. It really shouldn't be that hard.
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Killian Burns
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Posted - 2010.10.09 10:40:00 -
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So why not release Capsuleer sources and make this app aviable for all? All we hear is "CCP is bad, dont let me make money on their intellectual property". Why EvEmon devs released their sources for free to everyone and dont ask money for their work, but iphone users have to pay for Capsuleer "or else.." Capsuleer devs dont worry about community, all they want is money. So they free to make money in another place now.
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Aera Aiana
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.09 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Aera Aiana on 09/10/2010 14:08:24
Originally by: Killian Burns So why not release Capsuleer sources and make this app aviable for all? All we hear is "CCP is bad, dont let me make money on their intellectual property".
They want to make money with their own IP which ties into CCPs'. They don't want to drain money from CCP, they just want money for their part of the whole. You make it sound like the capsuleer devs did nothing at all, and that's just nonsense.
Originally by: Killian Burns Why EvEmon devs released their sources for free to everyone and dont ask money for their work, but iphone users have to pay for Capsuleer "or else.."
And why would they? They spent time on it and would like to get something in return. Same goes for a lot of OS applications, but they make money by supporting the software, not by selling it. For something like capsuleer, that might be tricky. Besides, going opensource is not something you "just do". Often the code or build-chain needs to be prepared or documented to make it possible for other people to understand what's going on. If that hasn't happened, it's totally pointless to release the code.
Originally by: Killian Burns Capsuleer devs dont worry about community, all they want is money. So they free to make money in another place now.
Which is why it has been free thus far... right. Oh, and how much do YOU care about this community? What have YOU done for us? - Don't let the trolls stop you from giving a helpful reply. :) |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.09 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 09/10/2010 14:09:27
Originally by: Aera Aiana
Originally by: Killian Burns Capsuleer devs dont worry about community, all they want is money. So they free to make money in another place now.
Which is why it has been free thus far... right.
No, it was free as they didn't have a license to charge for it.
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Mel Lifera
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.10.09 19:03:00 -
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Even when iClone was slow, the only thing I used Capsuleer for was the annoncements and blogroll. With all the changes iClone is suddenly making, I wonder if they can feature at least the ccp announcements.
Although I must admit I preferred Capsuleer aesthetically, the other app will pick up the slack fine, and still for free.
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Amalynn
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Posted - 2010.10.11 08:33:00 -
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Here's a solution that will take a little bit of work, but is doable:
1. Replace all EVE art/sound/image/etc assets with your own. Access to the API is done at the player's behest, so if there is an API licensing issue, it is with the player running the app. 2. Sell app for as much as you like 3. ??? 4. Profit!
If you're using your own server to cache results or whatnot, just have the app cache it on the device. Though I don't think that this is an issue unless you were required to sign a contract before using the API which would preclude this usage.
I think it's a boneheaded move by CCP, but the devs are not without recourse.
Also, here's a really succinct solution:
1. Don't change a thing except display a prominent disclaimer that you are not affiliated with CCP, etc. 2. Charge for the current app now, and pray that people buy it 3. ??? 4. Profit!
There's a possibility that CCP will be stupid enough to sue you, but you can make the case that you are making "fair use" of the various assets to provide an unofficial strategy guide. It's kind of like a dead tree unofficial strategy guide needing to use screenshots of the game. Those guys didn't get permission obviously, but they don't have to legally. Also, CCP would have to go to court in the USA which wouldn't be cheap for an Icelandic based company (the lawyer fees would cost more to them than any profits made by the app), and there is a very real chance of a huge public backlash against suing your own users who are providing a very useful service. Hell, even the devs admit they use it daily. I suppose they could just short-circuit that and complain to Apple, but they still run a serious public relations risk if they do.
I'm no lawyer, so be sure to consult one if you're even considering either option.
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