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Reiko Yamamoto
Shiva
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Posted - 2010.10.04 20:15:00 -
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Please add your support if you want the phone/mobile Internet app 'capsuleer' to continue - with the CCP support/patronage they require.
I dont know what has been said between CCP and the 'capsuleer' developers and frankly I don't care (it's not my buisness- litterally). But please don't let it die. 'Capsuleer' is an excellent utility with loads of potential for use with eve and other CCP developments like EVE Gate etc. Whatever has come between both companies please resolve this and give the app the time and effort it deserves.
As an aside, if the developers of 'capsuleer' are reading this: 1) Thanks so much for a great app/utility- I am truely sorry it's going in a couple of weeks. 2) I for one would be happy to pay to use this app as it is at a rate of ú1 per month or even a flat rate for q 1 off download. Please don't let your product die.
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Ere Colliseru
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Posted - 2010.10.04 20:47:00 -
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supported - it took 1 year 10 month till i have found a good mobile eve app/site. As eve-commander hasnt provided an app as promised for mobile it would be a great loss.
If ccp doesnt provide such an app on its own let capsuleer continue.
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SXYGeeK
Gallente do you -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.10.04 21:06:00 -
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The problem isn't with CCP not being supportive, the capsuleer blog was clear on this point. it's simply that the developers would like to be paid for their time.
either A: CCP hire them to produce mobile app features for EVE profesionally as part of CCP's offering (which they have been hoping on for a couple years)
or B: CCP come to an agreement with them allowing them the opportunity to further monetize capsuleer, this would likely mean you having to pay for it on app store and/or a subscription fee as well.
The ultimate cause of capsuleer going down is that the developers do not feel it in their best personal interest to continue pouring so much time into something without any compensation. (assuming they don't consider the love of the community compensation) and that's perfectly understandable, lately Eve has had to take a back seat to many issues IRL for me as well. -We So SeXy |
Reiko Yamamoto
Shiva
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Posted - 2010.10.04 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Reiko Yamamoto on 04/10/2010 21:47:02
Originally by: SXYGeeK The problem isn't with CCP not being supportive, the capsuleer blog was clear on this point. it's simply that the developers would like to be paid for their time.
either A: CCP hire them to produce mobile app features for EVE profesionally as part of CCP's offering (which they have been hoping on for a couple years)
or B: CCP come to an agreement with them allowing them the opportunity to further monetize capsuleer, this would likely mean you having to pay for it on app store and/or a subscription fee as well.
The ultimate cause of capsuleer going down is that the developers do not feel it in their best personal interest to continue pouring so much time into something without any compensation. (assuming they don't consider the love of the community compensation) and that's perfectly understandable, lately Eve has had to take a back seat to many issues IRL for me as well.
I would like to reiterate: I don't care, nor is it the point of this petition to ascertain who's fault it it was that 'capsuleer' is going down or to speculate either.
The point of this pertition is to get CCP to give the required support to an excellent app and to help with the licence that they require for 'capsuleer'. I would also reiterate that I wouldn't mind paying for the app if that's what's required.
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Knee Anderthal
Dreddit
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Posted - 2010.10.05 01:54:00 -
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I use this app every day, both for character tracking and reading the blogs. I would happily lend monetary support should CCP grant permission for it. I would hate to see it go by the wayside.
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Razor Clam
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Posted - 2010.10.05 05:01:00 -
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+1 Come on CCP, just employ these guys to turn Capsuleer into an even better EveOnline mobile tool than it already is.
Use it every day and if nothing happens, thanks for the best app on my iPhone
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NosOccudimus
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Posted - 2010.10.05 05:05:00 -
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Capsuleer Rocks. I have used it since I started playing the game. It so nice to have a mobile application to check skills and plan your training queue.
Even more so is the blog pack attached to the application. For the times that I have not been able to play EVE lately this has kept me interested in the game. I have learned much about the game and enjoy chuckles from the escapades of pirates. Without it my interest for EVE will die out unless time starts to free up more.
Note: If you built EVEGate into Capsuleer you would have much success. Most people can't play EVE whenever the would like, nor have the ability to use a computer to check EVEGate during work/school hours. Majority of people have phones and can take a quick 30secs to 5 mins to use them.
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Mialta
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Posted - 2010.10.05 08:34:00 -
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Please CCP there must be something you can do some ground you can give ? Make it an official product and allow us to login and change skills etc. surely PJ Sam and Roc could be compensated adequately for their time and effort without breaking the CCP bank.
I'm sure capsuleer has helped the bottom line no end already, It has been a first intro to eve for many of my RLF friends and helped me seal the deal to get them up and running on a trial and ultimately subs for some.
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Hugh450
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Posted - 2010.10.05 11:14:00 -
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+1 to OP
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eXeler0n
Matari Sentinel-Squad
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Posted - 2010.10.05 11:48:00 -
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Love this app. Dont let it die!
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Javajunky
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Posted - 2010.10.05 12:56:00 -
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Supported.
CCP reach out to these guys, they have done some really good work. They are obviously quite passionate about the game.
My gut tells me that CCP has decided internally to develop the application and just being mum on it. If they are, unfortunately that's the risk that the guys at Capsuleer took when they developed the application.
I really hope that's not the case. CCP probably has one of the smartest pool of players of any MMO community. It would bode well with them to form partnerships with shops like this and allow developers to charge a reasonable fee to recoup investment dollars. In the long term, they will encourage players to help them innovate and ultimately grow subscribers in making tools available to help them in what is a very complex and great game.
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Bunyip
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.10.05 17:01:00 -
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Capsuleer may be a great iphone app, but it's not CCP's concern. Let's be real and focus any aggression/pleading to the ones responsible - the Capsuleer devs. If CCP gets involved, they'll open the door to a whole mess of problems that they frankly don't need (showing bias, etc).
Therefore, I'm saying "CCP, keep your hands off Capsuleer." If you love the app, plead with the devs to keep it open, but don't spit against the wind on something CCP honestly can't deal with.
NOT supported.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Ma'kal
The Imperial Commonwealth Damage Control II
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Posted - 2010.10.05 21:38:00 -
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Suported
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.05 21:38:00 -
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Quote: with the CCP support/patronage they require.
They don't "require" a damn thing. They WANT it. They -want- to get paid to develop Capsuleer, and decided that it wasn't worth their time otherwise.
There's no reason to give the Capsuleer developers special treatment compared to all the other EVE-related apps out there.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.05 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Reiko Yamamoto
I would like to reiterate: I don't care, nor is it the point of this petition to ascertain who's fault it it was that 'capsuleer' is going down or to speculate either.
The point of this pertition is to get CCP to give the required support to an excellent app and to help with the licence that they require for 'capsuleer'. I would also reiterate that I wouldn't mind paying for the app if that's what's required.
Actually, it is entirely the point of this petition.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Lazerial
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Posted - 2010.10.05 22:36:00 -
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Supported
I'm not going to get involved with who is wrong or right, I just wanted to say that this app is invaluable to me and it's a crying shame to see it get plugged. All the parties involved with this should be dammed ashamed of themselves and if it's too much hassle to continue ... then make the code open source so as others can continue the project.
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Hesperius
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.05 22:46:00 -
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If Liang is correct, why would CCP play favorites to 3rd parties? Was what they were asking for, would it make 3rd parties like Evemon and EFT get special licensing agreements with CCP to make their software? I use Capsuleer, but you guys started this before you know whats going on here.
Not supported.
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mor'tak
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Posted - 2010.10.05 23:08:00 -
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This is really a Bad Day for People loving Eve and owning an iPhone Supported
Sent from my iPhone
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Katangher
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Posted - 2010.10.05 23:26:00 -
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2010.10.05 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Reiko Yamamoto
I would like to reiterate: I don't care, nor is it the point of this petition to ascertain who's fault it it was that 'capsuleer' is going down or to speculate either.
There's nothing to speculate about whose "fault" it is. Capsuleer devs are pulling the plug because they cannot charge for their app. They developed their app with the intent to charge for portions of it, and did so before obtaining a license from CCP. The only thing they need a license for is to charge for it. There is no roadblock other than money.
Allowing people to charge real money for 3rd party apps is a far more dangerous precedent than all the PLEX for remaps rabble that's been going on. A thousand times not supported.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2010.10.06 08:08:00 -
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Not supporting.
CCP has too many stupid things to fix... too many dumb ideas to patch.
They don't have time to pick up yet an another project as it is.
Yes... great app... but with iClone bringing up new features and ideas... in-spite of it being a little slow to load (not sure of iPhone4) I'm not convinced its even worth the effort.
Reading the blog and between the lines its quite obvious they gave up on the project anyway.... the Capsuler app is lacking in many areas... it could do so much more.
Just ain't worth the trouble.
Sorry.... but I'm not going to bother lifting a finger here. Not even worth spending money on it in all honesty.
PS: I'm being sincere here.... there are a lot of good people who put a lot more effort and time into their projects for things far more complicated than Capsuler... all I see here is the need for greed...rightfully so but even then... someone else will come along and do there own thing... and we geeks like cheap/free stuff... mostly free stuff. The App Store's biggest asset is just that... there is always an another app to pick from... while there isn't much for EVE... I'm sure it will come in time. Biggest opposition... a company that doesn't really care about quality... only new shiny objects. Namely... CCP. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.10.06 11:07:00 -
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If Capsuleer were to be relaunched as a for-fee app, we'd see just how much people value it.
It's a beautifully crafted program, it deserves to be sold through the App store for at least $US5.
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Maeve Trinity
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.10.06 13:45:00 -
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@Drake: You fail to realize Capsuleer is not developed by CCP employees.
I agree it is a shame to see this go. Particularly after CCP lead its developers on for so long with false hope.
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Marcked Buggler
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Posted - 2010.10.06 14:10:00 -
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WHIle i don't like capsuleer app going, i don;'t think it is ccp's job really
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Nuts Nougat
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.06 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Nuts Nougat on 06/10/2010 14:30:33 2 guys make a free EVE app for iphone. They read on the news about <insert random dumb app> making zillions on appstore, and suddenly want to cash in on it. I totally didn't see this one coming. Also, opensource wins. And I'm sure there'll be another app, just like this one a couple months later.
Edit: Continue the discussion at This Thread as per CCP. ---
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2010.10.06 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Maeve Trinity @Drake: You fail to realize Capsuleer is not developed by CCP employees.
WTS Reading and comprehension.
Derp Derp.
I never said it was written by ccp you noob. Sheesh. Emo much? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:45:00 -
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CCP isn't pulling the plug, CCP isn't making them kill it. They decided to kill it because they made no money off it. Why should CCP let them or help them make money off of their app when there are other apps (EFT, Evemon, Aura, iClone, EveHQ) that are all totally developed for free, and don't have any problems.
It's not CCP's problem.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Din Chao
Everset Dropbears
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Posted - 2010.10.07 02:26:00 -
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Judging by the Capsuleer developers' statement, this is another case of CCP's inability to pull the trigger and make a solid commitment once again. No surprises here.
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KaiserSoze434
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Posted - 2010.10.07 03:52:00 -
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I loved the hell out of this app and I really hope that iclone or even CCP realize how awesome having all the blogs together was and develop this feature into an app. Yes, I realize I could do this through a google feed or whatever. I could do the same with news but I bought an app to do that for me too. I realize that CCP cannot possibly just favor a single developer no matter how awesome their app is so I would ask why it isn't feasible to have a blanket authorization for limited profit of any developer within reason and subject to honest product development (no scam apps). Either that or crunch out an EVE gate app of their own. Certainly they're within their rights on that. I'd like to see the capsuleer devs get some payment out of it, but barring that I'd love to see someone take up the mantle with a nod of respect to the first guys to do it. Regarding the naysayers, I realize individually there are really no unique features, but it was the combination that made capusleer great. Yeah, any one could have though to combine that stuff, and anyone could have worked to make it as graphically appealing and smooth as the devs did. But anyone DIDN'T do it, these two guys did.
They aren't owed anything by CCP, but if they put up an app tommorrow that did absolutely nothing but cost a few bucks to thank them I'd buy it just to give them props for making my game better. "Aghast the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." |
DOC Minor
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Posted - 2010.10.07 22:13:00 -
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I really hope CCP reads these.
Finding the Capsuleer iphone app was a HUGE turning point in my Eve Online gaming experience. Suddenly i discovered unity, forums, discussions, eve inspired fiction, fittings, WHs!!!, and so many other things that an isolated corp didn't offer. Capsuleer pushed my toons to a greater potential and EVEN INSPIRED MY PURCHASE of a second account. It provided growth to my corporation, and in turn, pushed the Alliance MUCH further being on top of all the blogs and forums.
I applaud the developers in their decision to let go. They have a life beyond the computer screen. And if CCP doesn't see the potential growth of their game in a free app, then i'm sure another game will. I hope their intellectual property of such an incredible mobile platform that was provided by love is returned 20 fold in a financial reward. These guys deserve a reward for helping build a community. If CCP doesn't see that, I'm sure another company will!
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