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CrossedSwords
Caldari URSALIS LOGISTICS GROUP Ironfist Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.06 09:21:00 -
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hello there i have a little question.
and i was wondering of u ppl could help me.
i am currently flying a raven with cruise missiles and i was wondering if it is worth training up to T2 cruise missiles? i currently have normal cruise missiles lvl4 and other missile skills like rapid fire and stuff to around 3/4.
i flew a drake for a long time and noticed that the T2 heavys where a whole lot better than the T1 missiles, is this also true for cruise missiles?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 10:16:00 -
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Assuming that you are using the Raven for level 4s, then yes, very much so. T2 launchers have the same base stats as Meta 4 (Arbalest) launchers. In addition you will get a better rate of fire depending on your cruise missile specialisation skill. The spec skill only applies to T2 launchers.
You could also use Faction launchers (Caldari Navy or Dread Guristas). These will actually give you a better RoF than T2 even with Spec 5, but they cant use T2 ammo.
The T2 Fury missiles do a lot more damage than T1 to BS and BC size rats. However you will need to make sure that you have Warhead Rigor rigs otherwise much of the extra damage potential is lost.
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Jenny Hawk
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.06 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Assuming that you are using the Raven for level 4s, then yes, very much so. T2 launchers have the same base stats as Meta 4 (Arbalest) launchers. In addition you will get a better rate of fire depending on your cruise missile specialisation skill. The spec skill only applies to T2 launchers.
You could also use Faction launchers (Caldari Navy or Dread Guristas). These will actually give you a better RoF than T2 even with Spec 5, but they cant use T2 ammo.
The T2 Fury missiles do a lot more damage than T1 to BS and BC size rats. However you will need to make sure that you have Warhead Rigor rigs otherwise much of the extra damage potential is lost.
I wonder if faction launchers + faction ammo isn't almost as good as T2 with T2 ammo?
T2 does more damage but at the expense of the ability to hit smaller targets reasonably well. In stead of using Rigors you could use Calefaction Catalysts to make the difference even smaller while still keeping a small range, signature radius and fitting req advantage in comparison?
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Ned Black
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Posted - 2010.10.06 11:36:00 -
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Yes, it is worth training cruise missiles to T2, even if you would still use T1 missiles they fire faster = better DPS.
I did a lot of calculations on this some time ago and my conclusion was that unless you use painters and/or rigor rigs then generally using T2 is not really that good while shooting rats.
Rat BS = 400m Rage missile = 550m T1 missile = 300m
Rage max damage = 400/550 * 384 = 276 T1 max damage = 300
Rat BC = 250 Damage % = 250/550 = 0,4545 = 45% damage Rage = 250/550 * 172 T1 = 250/300 * 300 = 250
Basicly the smaller the target the worse the T2 missiles get. Now if you add a painter on the BS target however
BS + Painter = 400 * 1.3 = 520 T2 damage = 520/550 * 384 = 363,1 T1 damag is still 300 so the painter is essentially useless as long as the target is stationary.
Now this example does not take any consideration to speed, skills or any such. They all affect things greatly, but my main point is that using T2 missiles just for the sake of using them is not very smart.
At first when I did these calculations they surprised me a lot. In general it seemed as if using T1 missiles was actually better than using T2. And that is true as long as you dont decrease the blast radius (rigor rigs) or use painters to make your targets bigger.
But getting T2 missiles trained is a good idea regardless.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 06/10/2010 19:35:26
My CNR has faction (CN) cruise launchers. My Tengu has T2 heavy launchers.
I use T1 cruise missiles because: * T1 cruise missiles are cheap. * T1 cruise missiles do just fine on frigates as well as battleships with my T2 Rigor + 2x T1 Rigor rig fit. * There are no penalties with T1 missiles. * I'm too lazy to change missiles (fury/precision/T1) depending on target. * I don't have a target painter (I prefer an afterburner instead). * I manufacture my own missiles, and can't be bothered with invention for mission ammo. * It takes a long time to train Cruise Missiles 5 (about the same amount of time to train both HAM 5 and HML 5, and I'd also rather spend the time training torp 5 because javelins are incredibly useful, and a future Golem for missioning is also best with torps).
However, I strongly recommend T2 launchers for PvP, as they are much cheaper than faction or meta 4. Of course, I'd rather use torps in that case.
Originally by: Ned Black Yes, it is worth training cruise missiles to T2, even if you would still use T1 missiles they fire faster = better DPS.
Faction launcher have a greater RoF than T2, and so are better with T1 (and faction) missiles.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:39:00 -
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Barring a revert to the days when cruise missiles were an acceptable and effective source of dps in pvp, there will be little to no reason to train CM spec unless you want the most effective "cheap" pve raven on demand.
As Tau touched on, Cruise don't have much cross-over at all. They are used by the SNI (drake raven issue ), the Rattlesnake (drake raven issue mk2), and very bad or oldschool/uninformed golem pilots. They're hardly ever useful in pvp outside of a long range pos bash (zzzzz), and the SNI/Rattler are both extreme niche pve ships (extreme tanking niche) that most players won't ever utilize.
Spend the time you're wanting to waste on CM spec on Heavy Missiles (probably the most universally useful), HAMS, and Torps. These are solid picks for pve and pve weapon platforms -and- they cross-over well if you decide to train up a stealth bomber, khanid, or minmatar ship.
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