Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 8 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 41 post(s) |
VLAD VIRONS
Gallente X-SENSE Technologies
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 20:59:00 -
[31]
GJ CCP, btw 4 those who r still confused about why its called - optional patch - means - "The EVE Online client remains usable whether an optional patch is applied or not", in comparsion if u do not install a usual patch (not optional) u will not be able to connect with server.
|
kudak'etan
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 21:04:00 -
[32]
I have been playing eve since 2005 and I have never once seen an optional patch been deployed and have also never seen any post patch fixes being introduced so closely to the original patch release.
Can you please reveal????
1. Have you developed a new patch routine for releases for quick fixes? 2. Have you increased your workload to much to handle? 3. Are you rushing your patches for competition reasons?
I love eve, don't kill it, I have never seen eve released into such a untested state, why are you having to release inncentives for players to log into the test server, are you having issues testing your own releases???
Can't pull wool over my eyes so tell me why so dramatically different to my previous 5 years of playing?
Thanks,
Matt.
|
|
CCP Explorer
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 21:08:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Hordi LaGeorge So far each patch has improved eve for me. The original 1.1 patch cleared up all my constant client crashes, making eve much more enjoyable to play.
But it did add the UI bugs, which have been slowly going away.
CCP: Will patch #3 fix bug #101533?
Don't know, I've notified the programmers.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
|
Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 21:09:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Patch notes for Tyrannis 1.1 Optional Patch To be deployed Thursday, October 7, 2010
FIXES
User Interface
* It is now possible to resize pinned windows. * Itemized bookmarks can now be dragged from a location, such as a cargo hold, straight into a bookmark folder. * The overview is now forced to clean itself after you have jumped. It didn't before, which was messy.
Miscellaneous
* The asset window no longer goes blank if it was open while your ship was docking.
#2 is good, only saw #3 once and clearing cache fixed that, never experienced #4.
But as for #1 - I have the "Lock Windows When Pinned" option checked, please tell me this patch won't override that setting.
|
|
CCP Explorer
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 21:35:00 -
[35]
Originally by: kudak'etan I have been playing eve since 2005 and I have never once seen an optional patch been deployed and have also never seen any post patch fixes being introduced so closely to the original patch release.
Can you please reveal????
1. Have you developed a new patch routine for releases for quick fixes? 2. Have you increased your workload to much to handle? 3. Are you rushing your patches for competition reasons?
I love eve, don't kill it, I have never seen eve released into such a untested state, why are you having to release inncentives for players to log into the test server, are you having issues testing your own releases???
Can't pull wool over my eyes so tell me why so dramatically different to my previous 5 years of playing?
We initially developed the optional client hotfix system in Oct 2007 and iterated on it in Jan 2008. We have used it since then when it's appropriate.
We can only use it if the changes we are making are completely separated stand-alone client changes on one hand and stand-alone server changes on the other. As soon as there is a single coordinated client/server change then we have to go for a full patch.
When we have to use a full patch then we tend to hold off on the client changes and accumulate the fixes into a larger patch, due to the overhead. With the optional client hotfixes we release often, as soon as there are tested fixes ready.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
|
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 21:59:00 -
[36]
Originally by: CCP Explorer 100878: There are no details for us in this bug report.
Sorry, but "Show Info window opening in center of screen, covering the scene" is not enough of a detail or what?
Quote: 100913: Not reproducible.
Prove with screenshot. For me it is as it is - a pile of text, without reply indentation.
Actually, to make it easier for you, I just made a crude video presentation. http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Capture-2010-10-07.avi
Quote: 100891: Not reproducible.
10 min...
Quote: 99843: You already have a reply there.
I don't consider a polite "STFU" as valid reply to obvious case for degraded functionality. (May also add "Sorry, but ..." in front of it, if you feel offended) Bughunter was able to confirm and reproduce the issue (at the time of submission), but he didn't do anything, instead he claimed that degraded functionality is intended move. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
|
CCP Explorer
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 22:09:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer 100878: There are no details for us in this bug report.
Sorry, but "Show Info window opening in center of screen, covering the scene" is not enough of a detail or what?
I'm sorry but there is no title in the bug report and it doesn't contain this text. Please make sure it was submitted properly. BTW, I've notified the programmers.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
|
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 22:11:00 -
[38]
Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible.
http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi -- Thanks CCP for cu |
|
CCP Explorer
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 22:16:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Quote: 99843: You already have a reply there.
I don't consider a polite "STFU" as valid reply to obvious case for degraded functionality. (May also add "Sorry, but ..." in front of it, if you feel offended) Bughunter was able to confirm and reproduce the issue (at the time of submission), but he didn't do anything, instead he claimed that degraded functionality is intended move.
It is intended design and the response from the bug hunter is correct.
Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
|
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 22:23:00 -
[40]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer 99843: You already have a reply there.
I don't consider a polite "STFU" as valid reply to obvious case for degraded functionality. (May also add "Sorry, but ..." in front of it, if you feel offended) Bughunter was able to confirm and reproduce the issue (at the time of submission), but he didn't do anything, instead he claimed that degraded functionality is intended move.
It is intended design and the response from the bug hunter is correct.
Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way.
Degraded functionality: It's considerable harder to hit two pixels between columns, rather than the whole column header. Degraded/confused functionality: If before the doubleclick was different action from click, and they didn't interfere, now the doubleclick doing both autoresize and change sorting direction. Decide on one action, please, not both. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
|
Karia Sur
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 22:26:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Karia Sur yup
We encountered a client crash issue during the deployment dry-run testing.
The schedule called for TQ to be opened at 13:40 GMT. The issue was raised to Software at 12:29 GMT and had been fixed and ported for release at 15:06 GMT. It was a very tricky issue with three different components colliding to produce a crash, which is very rare.
TQ opened at 18:46 GTM and in between we rebuilt the client (binaries, installers and patches), uploaded, and download and patch tested.
I actually meant why did you deploy buggy code.
hmm, i didnt think that would get a reply.
|
|
CCP Explorer
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 22:27:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible.
http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi
Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
|
Guru'Kha
Amarr Hedion University
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 22:38:00 -
[43]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible.
http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi
Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look.
Burnt.... -- Guru'Kha |
Jhoria Englside
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 23:04:00 -
[44]
Explowned Edit: or not
|
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
|
Posted - 2010.10.06 23:32:00 -
[45]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible.
http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi
Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look.
*Shakes shoulders* I'm not doing anything special. Just step-by-step executing the reproduction steps from my bugreports. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Brannor McThife
Caldari Lambent Enterprises Black Core Alliance
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:27:00 -
[46]
Originally by: oolk
-No popup when you get an expedition (gotta check journal-not critical)
Where did you see this???
I did exploration for the last 2 days and was moaning that I didn't get any escalations... and now I've just JC'd across the universe...
How many could I have missed now... Grrrr.
<whine> *demands billions of isk in compensation* </whine>
-G
|
|
CCP Explorer
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:31:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible.
http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi
Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look.
*Shakes shoulders* I'm not doing anything special. Just step-by-step executing the reproduction steps from my bugreports.
No, I read your bug reports; there is tremendous detail missing compared to what I saw in the video. For example, for the auto-resize issue you are experiencing then in the video you change the column order.
BTW, I tried this again and I still can't reproduce this. But details are key so that we can reproduce the issues and perhaps I overlooked something in the video that the programmers will spot.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
|
Jhoria Englside
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:34:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible.
http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi
Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look.
*Shakes shoulders* I'm not doing anything special. Just step-by-step executing the reproduction steps from my bugreports.
Dear Derp, I believe the word you are looking for is 'shrug'. To shake ones shoulders would just be silly.
Yours Truly, Yours Truly Edit: or not
|
Ejit
Amarr The Ascension
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 01:27:00 -
[49]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer This patch fixes all known client issues that we are aware of were introduced in Tyrannis 1.1.
So, I take it that Show Info window opened into your face is an unknown issue?
Please be more specific.
If I'm reading him correctly. I think he's referring to the self induced 3D EVE he is experiencing due to the consumption of large amounts of various ilegal hand made cigarettes.
|
De'Veldrin
Minmatar CareBears on Fire The Obsidian Legion
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 01:45:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
I don't consider a polite "STFU" as valid reply to obvious case for degraded functionality. (May also add "Sorry, but ..." in front of it, if you feel offended) Bughunter was able to confirm and reproduce the issue (at the time of submission), but he didn't do anything, instead he claimed that degraded functionality is intended move.
Yeah our QA department doesn't like it when we say "it's working as designed" either. Unfortunately for them (and you) it is a legitimate response. --Vel
|
|
KaarBaak
Minmatar Hell's Librarians Darkmatter Initiative
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 04:35:00 -
[51]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way.
With all due respect, do you use windows? Because that is not how MS Windows works.
SINGLE-click column header sorts column. DOUBLE-click header sorts column twice...ascending, then descending.
KB
Removed. Please keep your signature completely in English. Navigator
I think that core audiences in the West are big fans of simply paying that monthly subscription and getting everything, and so I think we're going to stick with that. --S |
Rhaegar Thrax
Gallente Militaris Industries Damu'Khonde
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 05:02:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Rhaegar Thrax on 07/10/2010 05:06:16 Edited by: Rhaegar Thrax on 07/10/2010 05:03:51 Edited by: Rhaegar Thrax on 07/10/2010 05:03:19 Wow, I'm impressed with the talkativeness from the dev team in this thread.
Must say, only problem i really had was the target action window resizing every time I undocked, and the second optional patch fixed that.
Now, I have something entirely different on mind, which is also related to the UI.
When you're setting up the overview to show drones and wrecks, a while ago you didn't need to check "is in alliance" and "has excellent standing" in states filter. The "is in alliance" was after dominion, and "has excellent standing" was after this Tyrannis 1.1 update.
Is this intentional? or is a misfortunate sneaky bug that hasn't been addressed yet? I can't see why you'd have to do this to see your own wrecks and drones, as I certainly don't want to see pilots with excellent standing and in my alliance when missioning. Gets my overview cluttered.
|
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 07:22:00 -
[53]
I did not understand if the Developer acknowledged the bug with the Show Info window appearing always smack in the screen center.
Reproduce steps:
1) Lock a rat 2) Click on the big "i" in the upper right of the screen (top of overview=>selected item) 3) The resulting info window appears at the center of the screen. 4) Move it wherever. Close it. Click the "i" again. The window will appear at the center of the screen again and again.
Quote:
Actually,the 1st optional patch did nothing but the 2nd was actually pretty good.
It fixed 95% of the issues I had at least.
Hopefully that 3rd optional will fix my remaining problems...
P.S.
Actually it was the third. First it was the "do nothing" optional patch. Second it was a second "do nothing" optional patch published in Oct 5 morning Third was the "fixes #2" labelled patch published later in Oct 5 and it worked. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
|
Liandra Xi
Amarr Ascendent.
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 08:09:00 -
[54]
Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way.
With all due respect, do you use windows? Because that is not how MS Windows works.
SINGLE-click column header sorts column. DOUBLE-click header sorts column twice...ascending, then descending.
KB
With all due respect, but what the Dev described is EXACTLY how it works in windows. You are getting confused between clicking on the column header vs the column header seperator (the line in between the columns in the column header).
Clicking on the column header changes the sort order, double clicking sorts it first one way then the other. Double clicking on the seperator though resizes the column to the left of the mouse cursor to an "auto size" that should expand/shrink the column to the exact width of the content being displayed in the column.
Go check your facts again because frankly sir you are wrong and CCP are right in this instance.
|
Moni Toimikone
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 09:29:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Moni Toimikone on 07/10/2010 09:31:15
Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way.
With all due respect, do you use windows? Because that is not how MS Windows works.
SINGLE-click column header sorts column. DOUBLE-click header sorts column twice...ascending, then descending.
KB
It actually works exactly as Explorer described it. Tested on windows explorer on xp pro sp2.
Edit: Damn I'm slow :( ____________________________
Desusig by Crumplecorn |
|
CCP Explorer
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 10:27:00 -
[56]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look.
*Shakes shoulders* I'm not doing anything special. Just step-by-step executing the reproduction steps from my bugreports.
No, I read your bug reports; there is tremendous detail missing compared to what I saw in the video. For example, for the auto-resize issue you are experiencing then in the video you change the column order.
BTW, I tried this again and I still can't reproduce this. But details are key so that we can reproduce the issues and perhaps I overlooked something in the video that the programmers will spot.
After a review of your video: You open the market window, rearrange the columns and then you manually resize the price column. Manually resizing the column turns off auto resizing. That's nothing new, it was like that before Tyrannis 1.1. Your bug report went from Not Reproducible to By Design.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
|
|
CCP Explorer
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 10:29:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I did not understand if the Developer acknowledged the bug with the Show Info window appearing always smack in the screen center.
Yes, we are aware of that issue.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
|
Jack Gilligan
Caldari 1st Cavalry Division Circle-Of-Two
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 11:51:00 -
[58]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CCP Explorer Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look.
*Shakes shoulders* I'm not doing anything special. Just step-by-step executing the reproduction steps from my bugreports.
No, I read your bug reports; there is tremendous detail missing compared to what I saw in the video. For example, for the auto-resize issue you are experiencing then in the video you change the column order.
BTW, I tried this again and I still can't reproduce this. But details are key so that we can reproduce the issues and perhaps I overlooked something in the video that the programmers will spot.
After a review of your video: You open the market window, rearrange the columns and then you manually resize the price column. Manually resizing the column turns off auto resizing. That's nothing new, it was like that before Tyrannis 1.1. Your bug report went from Not Reproducible to By Design.
Did you used to work for SOE or something?
Their term for a problem they don't want to fix is call it "working as intended". Now that you describe it, this happens to me too, it's annoying and the screen shouldn't do that.
|
I'thari
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 12:14:00 -
[59]
Originally by: CCP Explorer Manually resizing the column turns off auto resizing.
hmm... I have a stupid question then: how to re-enable auto resizing? |
Karia Sur
|
Posted - 2010.10.07 12:22:00 -
[60]
Hmm, now when i drag an item from the assets window into the cargohold or fitting screen, the assets window jumps to the top and then back down to wherever it was. (eg. if you have 50 items in your assets and you drag #45, the window jumps up to the top and then back to the level that item #45 was at.) Its annoying as hell.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 8 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |