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Verizon Installer
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Posted - 2010.10.08 16:41:00 -
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i was to be flying the drake and rooks ships last year but gotten in new group of expert pvp pilot and they told me how caldari cannot be used for pvp and how terrible caldari ships is like drake being 3rd worst ship in entire game and rook not good for undocking.
i can still run the missions with them since caldari i guess only for missions but need good idea of what race can be used for pvp. now i have to start over so i dont want make any more mistake!!
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Greg6
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Posted - 2010.10.08 16:48:00 -
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You'll get farther, faster, by finding a different group of "expert pvp pilots." The drake is a fine BC and caldari ships make for very good fleet members. They may not be the best solo ships out there but in a gang caldari hulls can rock it.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.08 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 08/10/2010 17:29:34
Originally by: Verizon Installer i was to be flying the drake and rooks ships last year but gotten in new group of expert pvp pilot and they told me how caldari cannot be used for pvp and how terrible caldari ships is like drake being 3rd worst ship in entire game and rook not good for undocking.
i can still run the missions with them since caldari i guess only for missions but need good idea of what race can be used for pvp. now i have to start over so i dont want make any more mistake!!
The best advice I can give you is that the "expert PVP pilots" you fly with are drooling idiots and thus you should leave them (taking as much of their stuff with you as possible) and find people who aren't terrible. The only thing Caldari are lacking in are solo ships, and even then they have some good ones (the drake is one of them).
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Flavius Ricimer
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Posted - 2010.10.08 17:42:00 -
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I too am training caldari and it is bad to find out caldari cant be used for pvp. i just stopped training missiles because they cannot be used in pvp. i dont know who you are with but my players showed me the same thing about how bad caldari and drake in particular is for pvp.
lucky i started training gallente after that.
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Mercie Orion
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Posted - 2010.10.08 17:57:00 -
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Caldari aren't bad for pvp, you just have to do more then roll your face across the keyboard in order to be good with them. Caldari also have argueable the best ECM boats in the game, So just because you can't jump in a Caracal and solopwn everything you come across doesn't make the race of ships weak.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2010.10.08 18:06:00 -
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draketrain is recruiting all drake pilots, put apply in and find out what drakes can really do.
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ROXGenghis
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Posted - 2010.10.08 18:06:00 -
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Caldari aren't totally useless in PVP, but they're certainly not as useful in as many situations as the other races are. Primarily this is because guns > missiles in most situations, and because the option to use armor is very important. The other races can throw together respectable shield fits, but Caldari have trouble putting together respectable armor fits.
Caldari only have a handful of ships that are "best in class" for PVP fleets; in most cases the other races are preferred by FCs. This is doubly true for fleet capitals.
I have a few Caldari corpmates who continually find themselves unable to join themed gangs because they don't have appropriate ships. If only they would train up Basilisks and bubblers, they could at least be put to some use.
All that said, yes you can fly Caldari in PVP, it's just not the optimal choice. A fleet can usually find a place for an Onyx, Flycatcher, ECM recon, or Basilisk. And yes, the Drake is often useful in shield gangs, although it doesn't contribute as much to the gang as the other BCs.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.08 18:08:00 -
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Yes indeed... Caldari ships are terrible for PVP.
The Rokh, Falcon, Rook, Drake are clearly bottom of their respective piles.
U, er, Mad or just trolling?
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Verizon Installer
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Posted - 2010.10.08 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 08/10/2010 17:29:34
Originally by: Verizon Installer i was to be flying the drake and rooks ships last year but gotten in new group of expert pvp pilot and they told me how caldari cannot be used for pvp and how terrible caldari ships is like drake being 3rd worst ship in entire game and rook not good for undocking.
i can still run the missions with them since caldari i guess only for missions but need good idea of what race can be used for pvp. now i have to start over so i dont want make any more mistake!!
The best advice I can give you is that the "expert PVP pilots" you fly with are drooling idiots and thus you should leave them (taking as much of their stuff with you as possible) and find people who aren't terrible. The only thing Caldari are lacking in are solo ships, and even then they have some good ones (the drake is one of them).
i think u may be wrong because these are elite top killers in pvp with almost over 75% efficiency kills. i had drake but they killed it and podded me in fleet and told me how caldari cant pvp to come back with pvp ship.
now i try find here better ship and fittings but is proven to me missile and drake cannot pvp already
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.08 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 08/10/2010 19:08:59
Originally by: Verizon Installer
i think u may be wrong because these are elite top killers in pvp with almost over 75% efficiency kills. i had drake but they killed it and podded me in fleet and told me how caldari cant pvp to come back with pvp ship.
now i try find here better ship and fittings but is proven to me missile and drake cannot pvp already
I'm training missiles skills right now - partly because the drake is an amazing ship. I'd love for you to post who these "elite pvpers" are so I could go pay them a visit once I have skills for caldari ships.
I'd also guess that draketrain might be interested in some targets that aren't afraid of drakes...
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.10.08 20:18:00 -
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Ignorance is bliss and "leet PvP'ers" are a dime a dozen.
Done correctly Caldari is probably one of the strongest races available. What they lack in solo capability they make up for in gang/fleet .. in spades.
PS: Rook is very close to being better than all other T2 cruisers (HACs and Recons) both solo and in gangs, ECM makes for a near untouchable tank
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Samael Artcursis
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Posted - 2010.10.08 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Samael Artcursis on 08/10/2010 20:40:23 Edited by: Samael Artcursis on 08/10/2010 20:38:48
Originally by: Bad Messenger draketrain is recruiting all drake pilots, put apply in and find out what drakes can really do.
ORLY? My main might have to check you guys out...
That Caldari suck for PVP is a bunch of BS, check the KB for some of the Provi alliances - Drakes blot out the sun in Provi...
Lots of CTAs for Dreads, Drakes & Shield Logis, given the war going on down there at least one corp would be happy to have ya as long as you can at least fit a T2 tank on your Drake.
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ShahFluffers
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.10.08 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Verizon Installer
i think u may be wrong because these are elite top killers in pvp with almost over 75% efficiency kills. i had drake but they killed it and podded me in fleet and told me how caldari cant pvp to come back with pvp ship.
now i try find here better ship and fittings but is proven to me missile and drake cannot pvp already
Efficiency means nothing (give us their killboard so we may dissect it and laugh). At the moment, my efficiency is around 94% and anyone who calls me a "leet PvPer" will be met with a wall of laughter.
Also... being a new player, your skills are not going to match up very well against someone who's had a few month/year head start. Your fit may not have been optimal either. And if they all ganged up on you at once then it should not be a surprise that you died. Caldari ships have their niche as all ships do. Missiles boats are very good anti-frig platforms (i.e. Caracals)... Drakes make for very good bait that can also deal a fair bit of punishment (and even be nano-fit for extra fun)... and Ravens can deal an assload of damage using torpedoes at short range.
Honestly... if they kill you because they are so set in their ways then it's best not to deal with them at all. Go find another group that is more flexible in what ships it flies. I'd recommend a corp that does small gang roams. _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Fraller S
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Posted - 2010.10.08 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Verizon Installer
Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 08/10/2010 17:29:34
Originally by: Verizon Installer i was to be flying the drake and rooks ships last year but gotten in new group of expert pvp pilot and they told me how caldari cannot be used for pvp and how terrible caldari ships is like drake being 3rd worst ship in entire game and rook not good for undocking.
i can still run the missions with them since caldari i guess only for missions but need good idea of what race can be used for pvp. now i have to start over so i dont want make any more mistake!!
The best advice I can give you is that the "expert PVP pilots" you fly with are drooling idiots and thus you should leave them (taking as much of their stuff with you as possible) and find people who aren't terrible. The only thing Caldari are lacking in are solo ships, and even then they have some good ones (the drake is one of them).
i think u may be wrong because these are elite top killers in pvp with almost over 75% efficiency kills. i had drake but they killed it and podded me in fleet and told me how caldari cant pvp to come back with pvp ship.
now i try find here better ship and fittings but is proven to me missile and drake cannot pvp already
Sorry to say this, but it kind of sounds like you have no idea on what your talking about. 75% effeciency is in no way good, its actually half bad. So a bunch of guys attack you, and you die, then they invite you to fleet and tells you that Caldari is no good, and based on that, you make the conclusion that caldari sucks? If the drake sucks, why does all the major alliances have loads of drake army's for pew pew, and if the rook is not worth undocking, why is everyone scared of doing a 1 vs. 1 against it?. The reason why a kitsune/blackbird/rook/falcon/scorpoin etc. will be primaried by any FC, is that they can turn the tide in any small to mid size feet fight.
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Buzz Killingdon
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Posted - 2010.10.08 21:49:00 -
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Heh Caldari rock!
I would personally prefer Falcons to Rooks, just with the added option of the cov ops cloak, and I think Falcons are cheaper. Same ECM bonuses.
But anyways, they can't shoot you if they can't target you.
My corp put together a fleet of scorpions, it was awesome!
Drake is 3rd worst in game? Anyone can pull random stats out of thin air. 75% efficiency is 4th worst in game. See?
Caldari pilots are great additions to fleets. I would find a new corp of Caldari pilots, and go blow these nimrods out of the sky.
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Seishi Maru
Organization for Nuclear Research
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Posted - 2010.10.08 22:34:00 -
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Lots of people are getting quite bad at recognizing a very easy Troll.
But since a few fell for it I think you can get a 3/10
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2010.10.09 01:44:00 -
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Drake 3rd worst ship in the game...
LMAO, that gave it away as being a troll in like 4 seconds.
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.10.09 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Verizon Installer caldari cannot be used for pvp
Pwntrain and HAM Drake want to have a word with those 'elite PVP pilots', which obviously are a bunch of trolling noobs who don't post their losses, at all.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.10.09 04:42:00 -
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If you want to see how viable Caldari ships REALLY are all you need do is pop into low sec and see what people are flying.
Caldari ships are pretty rare-- you might actually see more Caldari wrecks than living ships. Apparently most of the people who hang out in low sec prefer to use the best weapons, prefer faster ships over the slowest ships in the game, and prefer not to have to abandon their tank in order to fit a tackle or speed mods.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2010.10.09 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers Edited by: OT Smithers on 09/10/2010 04:48:59 If you want to see how viable Caldari ships REALLY are all you need do is pop into low sec and see what people are flying.
Caldari ships are pretty rare-- you might actually see more Caldari wrecks than living ships.
When all people fly are Caldari ships, ofcourse there is going to be more Caldari wrecks. Twit. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.10.09 09:11:00 -
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CAN'T STOP THE ROKH!!! ~
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Jones Bones
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2010.10.09 12:24:00 -
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I demand this troll explain the 1st and 2nd worst ships in the game.
Personally I'm going to start with the Cynabal. I mean, just look at those terrible base resists!
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Asarles
Orange Powers
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Posted - 2010.10.09 14:45:00 -
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Deira Lenia
Carebear Evolution Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2010.10.09 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Verizon Installer
Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 08/10/2010 17:29:34
Originally by: Verizon Installer i was to be flying the drake and rooks ships last year but gotten in new group of expert pvp pilot and they told me how caldari cannot be used for pvp and how terrible caldari ships is like drake being 3rd worst ship in entire game and rook not good for undocking.
i can still run the missions with them since caldari i guess only for missions but need good idea of what race can be used for pvp. now i have to start over so i dont want make any more mistake!!
The best advice I can give you is that the "expert PVP pilots" you fly with are drooling idiots and thus you should leave them (taking as much of their stuff with you as possible) and find people who aren't terrible. The only thing Caldari are lacking in are solo ships, and even then they have some good ones (the drake is one of them).
i think u may be wrong because these are elite top killers in pvp with almost over 75% efficiency kills. i had drake but they killed it and podded me in fleet and told me how caldari cant pvp to come back with pvp ship.
now i try find here better ship and fittings but is proven to me missile and drake cannot pvp already
I have 114m sp and i fly drakes. I can fly any other ship in eve but i fly drakes.
Why do i fly drakes? Because drakes ****ing win.
75% in efficiency is easy to get and is kind of low imho for a PVP corp that is "really elite pvprs"
Besides, if they were elite pvpr's they would be begging you to bring a falcon.
As pretty much everyone already said. Caldari blow at solopvp. But are very effective in gangs, aslong as the gangs are cohesive anyway. -- Carebear Evolution. Learning People to explode since: Err, since we felt like it.
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SpinDoctor15
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.09 15:21:00 -
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Yeah, look how terrible they are, clearly this pure Caldari setup was never meant for PvP. CCP should just get rid of them and stick with the other 3 primary races...
Alliance Tournament 8 - Dystopia Caldari Pwn-Blob
[I love the commentator's note... "maybe the best setup that's ever been fielded in Alliance Tournament history... |
Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.10.09 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Verizon Installer i think u may be wrong because these are elite top killers in pvp with almost over 75% efficiency kills. i had drake but they killed it and podded me in fleet and told me how caldari cant pvp to come back with pvp ship.
now i try find here better ship and fittings but is proven to me missile and drake cannot pvp already
Are you by any chance talking about EnnDee Kay... PVP GOD!?!
... cause that would explain EVERYTHING.
The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
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Coffeez
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.09 16:29:00 -
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Posting in a drake sucks for pvp thread.
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Von Carnage
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Posted - 2010.10.09 17:44:00 -
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Well shucks *mothballs his Falcon* Good thing I crosstrained for a Curse/Pilgrim now, or I would be toast in pvp. Thanks for the heads up!
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2010.10.09 21:44:00 -
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The Drake is the 3rd worst in the game? Lemme guess, they told you that only the Hurricane and Harbinger were 1 and 2.
These guys sound like Gallente lovers.
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Gottii
Minmatar Lutinari Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.09 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Verizon Installer i was to be flying the drake and rooks ships last year but gotten in new group of expert pvp pilot and they told me how caldari cannot be used for pvp and how terrible caldari ships is like drake being 3rd worst ship in entire game and rook not good for undocking.
i can still run the missions with them since caldari i guess only for missions but need good idea of what race can be used for pvp. now i have to start over so i dont want make any more mistake!!
Beautiful troll.
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