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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.10.10 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Johan Sabbat
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Awww come on people, how about giving some good replies with real informative tips on how to survive in low security systems?
This could be a very good guide which would actually get more players going into low security systems.
Moar people in low-sec?
What a crazy notion...
Talking of crazy notions, scout alt/mates
What a crazy notion... You thinking that you had some important information to add to this thread.
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Isaac Apylon
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.10.10 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach 1. True bears don't know what they are doing. They won't have the right fits, they won't have the right tactics. They will be at a major disadvantage.
All the more reason for them to learn. Like I said, they will find themselves in a pvp situation eventually. Better to learn to deal with it now, in insured ships, than to get caught in their nice ships and ragequit later. Besides, the best way to learn how to act when caught in a pvp situation is to actually get in one.
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach 2. Gankbears don't play equal fights. If you have a chance of winning, they will dock. You can safely assume as a bear if they are willing to shoot at all, they know for a fact they will win.
Well, if they dock, just keep them there until they log out in boredom, and your problem is solved. Keep it up consistently, and if they're really the gankbears you accuse them of being, they'll get the point and go looking elsewhere. Problem doubly solved.
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach 3. Face it, eve is a boring game as a carebear.
Fixed it for you.
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach Turn their own pathological rage inward.
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach Dealing with afk Cloakers:
...but also not to let them disrupt your bearing.
This is one of the few sensible things you've said, and I commend you for it. You've shown more reason in this single statement than the vast swaths of cloak hating macro ratting whinebears that currently inhabit null who don't get that you can do something to protect against cloakers. Bravo.
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Valentina Koslova
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Posted - 2010.10.10 18:16:00 -
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Patience is also INVALUABLE when dealing with gate camps.
If you're in a cloaky transport - warp to 100 (or more if you know a gate is frequently camped and bubbled) so you can get a look at the gate before you warp to it and if you have to...slow boat it to the gate to avoid things that are in your way.
Also if your on the highsec side of a gate and you think or KNOW there is a camp on the other side stay cloaked up and watch the gate. When a juicy target goes through give it a few seconds and then warp to the gate. Chances are decent that the hostiles will be more occupied with the first guy and won't have time for you. Take advantage of the other guy's stupidity.
Another thing...for crying out loud...if you're one of those ****heads that sits RIGHT on a gate ready to jump through hoping to wait out the campers on the other side you deserve to lose that ship. You think they're not watching the other side with alts, salivating and just waiting for you to jump? (and those of us smart enough to be cloaked are cursing you for making us wait even longer for that camp on the other side to break up..especially when you don't jump through and give us the opening we need while they're hammering on YOU)
Also... if you're boxed in a system by Drams on every gate...safe spot up and have a conversation with them. Just a "how ya doing" not a big smacktalk fest that will make them CRAVE killing you. Either they'll talk to ya and you might learn someting or they won't. Stay where you are cloaked up and they'll eventually get bored and then guess what? You win.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.10 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 10/10/2010 18:50:47 The thread should be moved into Crime & Punishment and for a laugh. Alternatively into Warfare & Tactics. --
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Kishin Sendo
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.10 19:50:00 -
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The topic of the trend make me laugh
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morealtsplease
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Posted - 2010.10.10 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: morealtsplease on 10/10/2010 22:15:19
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach Although its against CCP rules to disband a corp to avoid a wardeck, any/all individual members may leave as they wish.
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Nadia Sorenson
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Posted - 2010.10.11 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: morealtsplease Edited by: morealtsplease on 10/10/2010 22:15:19
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach Although its against CCP rules to disband a corp to avoid a wardeck, any/all individual members may leave as they wish.
This is completely false.
Not that I dispute this, but can you clarify? It's not illegal to disband? Or it is illegal for individual chars to leave?
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Kwisatz Hadereach
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nadia Sorenson
Originally by: morealtsplease Edited by: morealtsplease on 10/10/2010 22:15:19
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach Although its against CCP rules to disband a corp to avoid a wardeck, any/all individual members may leave as they wish.
This is completely false.
Not that I dispute this, but can you clarify? It's not illegal to disband? Or it is illegal for individual chars to leave?
He's wrong and/or spreading misinformation. Many pirates will tell you leaving corp to avoid a wardec is a bannable offense, but its not. There's red quotes to that effect, but I CBA to search for them. Someone post them if you would please.
The bottom line is you can use that method to avoid all wardecs with minimal risk/hassle.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.12 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Monte Shill
Originally by: Elyham farmville that way -->
<-- WoW is this way, where everything is given to you. Watch out for the recycled rhetoric (and check your shoes!) spouted by so called "hardcore" players, as they are more carebear and risk adverse then most, it takes what? a few cheaply fitted destroyers (totaling maybe 6 million) per gank during Hulkeggeddon to collect the "I-Win!" t-shirts with a Hulk on the front and "Thats no Moon!" on the back . "Hardcore" is just another word for "Can't try harder to fail at EVE, coaxing and encouraging players out of highsec is for *****s" while flying in highsec surrounded by CONCORD and flipping cans hopping they fire back so they can destroy ships that are not fitted for PVP in T2/T3 they are to afraid to take into lowsec.
Nice! Well said.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Abarot
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Posted - 2010.10.12 18:10:00 -
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not sure if it was mentioned before but put probes on overview and push that scanner button once a while
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2010.10.12 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 12/10/2010 18:50:29
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach
Gankbears don't play equal fights. If you have a chance of winning, they will dock. You can safely assume as a bear if they are willing to shoot at all, they know for a fact they will win.
I find this very clever and effective . It¦s the same thing that predators started to do in the primeval times, long before humans existed, and they still do it today. No wildlife predator in their right mind would play equal or fair fights with their prey.
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Kwisatz Hadereach
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Posted - 2010.10.13 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra Edited by: Tamahra on 12/10/2010 18:50:29
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach
Gankbears don't play equal fights. If you have a chance of winning, they will dock. You can safely assume as a bear if they are willing to shoot at all, they know for a fact they will win.
I find this very clever and effective . It¦s the same thing that predators started to do in the primeval times, long before humans existed, and they still do it today. No wildlife predator in their right mind would play equal or fair fights with their prey.
Yes, but that's not the point. The point is how often hypocritical gankbears rage about pve players avoiding risk when they never take a risk themselves.
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SirFreddo
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Posted - 2010.10.13 17:32:00 -
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Nice guide!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.13 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 13/10/2010 17:57:17
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach He's wrong and/or spreading misinformation. Many pirates will tell you leaving corp to avoid a wardec is a bannable offense, but its not. There's red quotes to that effect, but I CBA to search for them. Someone post them if you would please.
The bottom line is you can use that method to avoid all wardecs with minimal risk/hassle.
Here you go: Originally by: GM Nythanos Hello,
For #1, Closing a corporation and opening a new one with the same members is allowed, and the people who declared war on your now closed corporation can declare a new war on your new corporation if they choose to do so.
For #2, Using alt corps to increase the cost of wars against your corporation or alliance is prohibited.
The two tend to get confused: you are not allowed to make yourself harder to wardec, but you are allowed to dodge the dec once it hits. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Whiskeydod
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:46:00 -
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Knowing how to avoid PVP is a skill that is useful for anyone, Carebear or not. I have had people people call me a noob for avoiding a battle and docking up instead of engaging in a battle that I would obviously lose. Not only can it save your ass, but it can infuriate those trying to kill you.
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Del Rosario
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:01:00 -
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Thnx, nice tip
I have longed for low-sec, been there a few times with various outcome. But most of my destryed ships happened there... This may just be the trigger I need to actually dare to moove down there...
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.14 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Del Rosario Thnx, nice tip
I have longed for low-sec, been there a few times with various outcome. But most of my destryed ships happened there... This may just be the trigger I need to actually dare to moove down there...
There is an entire sub-profession of low/nullsec mission runners who have learned to survive by being smart and unprobable. The amount of sheer tears shed by pirates who can't bear the thought of someone PvE'ing in their system has to be seen to be believed.
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Daric Thorn
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Posted - 2010.10.14 14:10:00 -
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The original post is so good it deserves a sticky. The gankers responding with "u need to learn to PVP" have missed the point so comprehensively it's breathtaking.
Another huge advantage of carebearing in lowsec/nullsec/wormholes is that you can experience a lot of the variety in EVE even if you have only a few hours to play every few days and play at odd hours.
The risk of losing ships makes it more fun and there is none of the PVP corp BS of spinning at gatecamps, blobs or boring waits for fleets to form only to fail to find targets.
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Kwisatz Hadereach
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Posted - 2010.10.16 14:37:00 -
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For me its simply about helping people avoid grief. I enjoy pvp, and risky pve. Many do not, and they should know the game mechanics that help prevent them from being griefed by unwanted pvp.
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Solaris233
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.17 18:08:00 -
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lol most carebears are too lazy to avoid pvp
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Solaris233 lol most carebears are too lazy to avoid pvp
Almost as lazy as most PVPers I'd dare say.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Space Pinata
Amarr Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.18 03:42:00 -
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Quote: Yes, but that's not the point. The point is how often hypocritical gankbears rage about pve players avoiding risk when they never take a risk themselves
They take plenty of risks. Engaging in PVP is a risk; a controlled risk.
Obviously, you assume you have a >50% chance of winning if you engage. That's the point. The entire competitive side of EVE is based around setting yourself up so that you are in an advantage.
You out-think your enemy. Better fits, better strategy, traps, etc. Believe it or not, combat is about tactics, and not lining up and taking turns punching each other in the genitals. You'll see this in real wars, too.
..Then again, I suppose every soldier who ever lived is a risk-averse coward because they did things like dig trenches, flank their enemies, and come with better equipment to maximize their chances of winning.
No, the only gentlemanly way to fight is to make sure you all have even numbers and no equipment, and then take turns punching each other until someone falls.
tl;dr: If you can safely say that you pose no threat to your enemy, that is YOUR fault, not your enemies. You have access to every ship and resource they do. Also, carebears have more ISK.
So: Combat skills, check. Superior isk, check.
What are they lacking? The intelligence to win a fight. That's it. Maybe it's a matter of fear (oh god might lose), maybe it's a matter of honor (can't do anything that might make us win!), or maybe it's just a matter of stupidity.
It's a rare case to have someone with no interest in combat. All missions are is combat. Just, yknow, combat on easymode. It's like playing chess against kindergartners all day so your ego isn't threatened by losing a game.
Just thought I'd clear that little bit up. In b4 veiled "Those people literally scare me in a spaceship game, so they must have mental problems" tirade. |
Master Dodge
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.18 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Space Pinata
You out-think your enemy. Better fits, better strategy, traps, etc. Believe it or not, combat is about tactics, and not lining up and taking turns punching each other in the genitals. You'll see this in real wars, too.
..Then again, I suppose every soldier who ever lived is a risk-averse coward because they did things like dig trenches, flank their enemies, and come with better equipment to maximize their chances of winning.
tl;dr: If you can safely say that you pose no threat to your enemy, that is YOUR fault, not your enemies. You have access to every ship and resource they do. Also, carebears have more ISK.
So: Combat skills, check. Superior isk, check.
What are they lacking? The intelligence to win a fight. That's it. Maybe it's a matter of fear (oh god might lose), maybe it's a matter of honor (can't do anything that might make us win!), or maybe it's just a matter of stupidity.
Wow.. i mean just wow. I'd like to take this moment to link the definition of analogy 'Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar; A comparison based on such similarity'.
Your likening people who play eve to soldiers in some sort of war is just comedy as the OP is not talking about fleet on fleet proper war's (that eve does so well and one of the reasons i love it so much) but is talking about the much more crap 'omfgwtfijustgotblownupness' that can be trying to navigate low sec for some mission runners (many of whom pvp too)
A more correct analogy of the type of ganking and general taking advantage of ships which are obviously not in pvp setup would be to say that on one side you have a fully kitted a prepared soldier. Then on the other side you have someone who is also a soldier but you've caught him at a time when he's taking the trash out or perhaps doing his second job. What i'm saying is try and compare apples to apples not apples to sub machine guns. ie saying someone is stupid because you kicked his ass does not mean he is stupid, you just caught him at a point where he could not be expected to be able to respond effectivly, (running missions etc).
Oh and please do NOT say that PKers have more skill, they are just socipaths with little to no skill who weren;t shown enough love as a child
TL:DR Love real PVP Hate PKers
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.18 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Space Pinata [Gankbears] take plenty of risks. Engaging in PVP is a risk; a controlled risk...
Spoken like a true gankbear. Engaging miners and mission runners with your PVP fit is NOT risk, no matter how you try and sugar-coat it. Nice try though .
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.10.18 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach But where's the risk in instapopping shuttles and ganking mission drakes? If you actually wanted risk, you'd be fighting targets who want to shoot back. But you aren't. You're just a sociopath who wants to feel powerful as an internet spaceship pirate. At least the bears are honest about farming; you are just pathetic.
Ankh, is that you?
By the way, the MWD/Cloak advice given above is incorrect. It will get you killed, and here is why:
Activating your MWD makes your signature radius larger, which causes any locks on you to complete much more quickly. Activating the MWD first may cause someone to complete a lock before your cloak activates.
The correct way to use this trick is to activate your cloak and THEN activate your MWD. There is a second or two window in which you can activate modules after your cloak has been turned on. It takes a bit of practice to get the timing down, but you can practice up in high sec until you feel confident in your execution. Fix Rockets in '08 '09 2010 2011 2012?! |
Space Pinata
Amarr Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.18 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Space Pinata on 18/10/2010 22:16:01
Quote: A more correct analogy of the type of ganking and general taking advantage of ships which are obviously not in pvp setup would be to say that on one side you have a fully kitted a prepared soldier. Then on the other side you have someone who is also a soldier but you've caught him at a time when he's taking the trash out or perhaps doing his second job. What i'm saying is try and compare apples to apples not apples to sub machine guns. ie saying someone is stupid because you kicked his ass does not mean he is stupid, you just caught him at a point where he could not be expected to be able to respond effectivly, (running missions etc).
So you're implying that it's bad tactics to ambush your enemy, and that wars are generally fought by sending a few weeks notice and then lining up on a pre-determined field and firing a pre-determined number of shots at one another?
Protip: It's always been COMMON PRACTICE to take advantage of your enemy when vulnerable. If your enemy is at a point where they can't defend, that's in fact the pefect time to order an attack. War is about winning, not about even fights.
Quote: Oh and please do NOT say that PKers have more skill, they are just socipaths with little to no skill who weren;t shown enough love as a child
Then why are umad that they blow you up? Shouldn't you be winning? :3
Quote: Laughing Spoken like a true gankbear. Engaging miners and mission runners with your PVP fit is NOT risk, no matter how you try and sugar-coat it. Nice try though Laughing.
Either you're a troll or you are literally mentally handicapped.
Did you know that there is no "PVP" or "PVE" class in EVE, and that you can change the modules on your ship?
You know, dock, get out of PVE ship, get into PVP ship, etc?
I lived in 0.0 for 2~ years. Never lost a PVE ship. Lost a lot of PVP ships. Why? Because when enemies were around, I was smart enough to be ready to fight.
tl;dr: Stop being a lazy ****er and get out of your drake and into a PVP ship.
Again, it's simple.
I will say this slowly so silly bears can understand it.
Are you ready?
We're playing the same game. The same one.
You can buy and train and fly any ship I can.
If you are not a threat to me, in any way, that is your fault, not mine.
PS: I especially love the "we are completely helpless and can't stand a chance" argument right beside "pvpers have no skill".
If we have no skill, and you are literally helpless against us, where does that put you?
Edit:
Also, just because someone kills your mission ship or shuttle, it doesn't mean they'd not fight a fleet. It just means you didn't bring a fleet. I love small fleet fights. But that doesn't mean I'm going to let a war target get a free pass just because they're alone. |
Tehbuyerz
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Posted - 2010.10.19 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Master Dodge
Oh and please do NOT say that PKers have more skill, they are just socipaths with little to no skill who weren;t shown enough love as a child
TL:DR Love real PVP Hate PKers
Any PVP is real PVP, bear. Come prepared next time or learn to hide your unskilled a$$, but quit crying in EVE's public forums.
Real pvp lol... gimme a break, carebear.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.19 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Space Pinata Either you're a troll or you are literally mentally handicapped.
Did you know that there is no "PVP" or "PVE" class in EVE, and that you can change the modules on your ship?
You know, dock, get out of PVE ship, get into PVP ship, etc?
I lived in 0.0 for 2~ years. Never lost a PVE ship. Lost a lot of PVP ships. Why? Because when enemies were around, I was smart enough to be ready to fight.
tl;dr: Stop being a lazy ****er and get out of your drake and into a PVP ship.
Again, it's simple.
I will say this slowly so silly bears can understand it.
Are you ready?
We're playing the same game. The same one.
You can buy and train and fly any ship I can.
If you are not a threat to me, in any way, that is your fault, not mine.
PS: I especially love the "we are completely helpless and can't stand a chance" argument right beside "pvpers have no skill".
If we have no skill, and you are literally helpless against us, where does that put you?
Edit:
Also, just because someone kills your mission ship or shuttle, it doesn't mean they'd not fight a fleet. It just means you didn't bring a fleet. I love small fleet fights. But that doesn't mean I'm going to let a war target get a free pass just because they're alone.
Whoah there, cowboy! Take a breather. You made a stupid and silly comment and I replied to it. It's become quite clear you have a deep hatred for players that play differently from you. But honestly, that's a problem for you to deal with. Coming here wagging your finger saying "carebears blah carebears bleh" while claiming that you're somehow a superior human being just goes to show you have yet a whole lot more of growing up to do. S'all.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Elyham
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.10.19 04:04:00 -
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FOR THE BEARS:
PVP FIT
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Master Dodge
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.19 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tehbuyerz
Originally by: Master Dodge
Oh and please do NOT say that PKers have more skill, they are just socipaths with little to no skill who weren;t shown enough love as a child
TL:DR Love real PVP Hate PKers
Any PVP is real PVP, bear. Come prepared next time or learn to hide your unskilled a$$, but quit crying in EVE's public forums.
Real pvp lol... gimme a break, carebear.
You sir fail on so many levels it actually makes me feel sorry for you. You assume i'm a bear because I don't like high sec gankers? No, actually I loved pvp when I played this game when it came out and fully intend to get back into it again once I have a few skills again.
Once again basic IQ type test question. Not liking gankers does not make one a carebear mission runner. It means you don't like high sec no skill gankers, reading skillzz is for the leet apparently...
However;
That being said I still think anyone who flies a ship worth over a few billion not in a fleet/paying attention is sort of asking for it nowadays unfortunately, that's just the reality of eve and mission runners need to be careful.
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