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Faith'Ann Justice
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Posted - 2010.10.10 21:45:00 -
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I'm rapidly closing in on my perfect rohk skills. It's been a long and trying experience getting caldari hybrid ships to compete and adapt them as necessary for various uses, but i'm now at the point where I can look forward to even more exciting things like the eagle!
Pure Caldari hybrid turret user on my only account/character since '07 (yeah, i'm not quite a bitter old vet yet). Is anyone else as crazy in love with caldari hybrids (despite their drawbacks) other than me?
There is just something about warming up the active shield tank while simultaneously blasting anti-matter out of a full battery of blasters (or rails) and sucking down cap boosters like haloween candy that just makes me smile. No, i'm not flying the most elite OP angel ship. No, i'm not the best kill/death ratio in my fleet. No, i'm not even invited to most fleets because I just can't fly a suitable ship. BUT, i'm enjoying my ships. I love my Rohk, Moa, Merlin, Harpy, Commorant, and Raptors. I might be the laughing stock of my corp for it, but goddamnit I love caldari hybrids!
WHO'S WITH ME?
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.10.10 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 10/10/2010 21:57:49 I do find myself tempted by that rohk optimal ever since I did a quick bit of training for a scorp. I think it's the only boring gunmetal squid ship I'd want to pvp in (insured and thrown into an almost certain fiery death of course), but then the mega and hyp look better and I can't actually fit t2 shields
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Faith'Ann Justice
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Posted - 2010.10.10 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Faith''Ann Justice on 10/10/2010 22:03:26 I'm sorry Gallente filth did you say something?
On a more charitable and less RP note: Win Rokh is my usual setup.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.10.10 22:02:00 -
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You seem to be loving my gun, little lady. |
Faith'Ann Justice
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Posted - 2010.10.10 22:13:00 -
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Every time I hear a drake pilot talking about caldari heritage I die a little inside.
We need more champions of the faith! Caldari hybids for great justice!
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Hanz Landou
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Posted - 2010.10.10 23:16:00 -
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Wrong forum.
This is where you discuss optimal ships and fits. Hybrid ships don't often fit the bill. Caldari hybrids never do.
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Faith'Ann Justice
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Posted - 2010.10.10 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hanz Landou Wrong forum.
This is where you discuss optimal ships and fits. Hybrid ships don't often fit the bill. Caldari hybrids never do.
Garbage like this is why I tend to avoid the forums. Why the hell would you min/max so much that you're excluding perfectly viable and fun ships?
Why get bent out of shape because hybrids are weak? I'm still getting kills with a rohk in fleet. I still wreck most any other cruiser solo in a moa. I can suprise the **** out of a lot of pilots in a ferox.
TLDR: These pilots need more pride in their ships and less playing eft.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.10.11 00:27:00 -
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Those stats are very respectable for a BS. It gets more damage than a standard shield Pest (unless the Pest is max damage fit, which then gets 1200 dps overheated with drones) and has a much better tank as well. It's also agile than a Maelstrom. Definitely something I would fly. The only down sides is that this ship would have serious issues up against Amarr BS.
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Dario Wall
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Posted - 2010.10.11 00:28:00 -
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Small, Medium, and Large Hybrid 5, as well as Caldari Frigate, Cruiser, and Battleship 5 here.
But I'm also cross-trained to other races and weapon systems as well.
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Faith'Ann Justice
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Posted - 2010.10.11 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bomberlocks Those stats are very respectable for a BS. It gets more damage than a standard shield Pest (unless the Pest is max damage fit, which then gets 1200 dps overheated with drones) and has a much better tank as well. It's also agile than a Maelstrom. Definitely something I would fly. The only down sides is that this ship would have serious issues up against Amarr BS.
Don't forget it also has a mean disco fitting.
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Mona X
Caldari C0VEN
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Faith'Ann Justice BUT, i'm enjoying my ships. I love my Rohk, Moa, Merlin, Harpy, Commorant, and Raptors.
Don't forget Zealots.
Join Eve-Online, meet interesting people, grief them. |
Diesel47
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Diesel47 on 11/10/2010 12:24:25 Edited by: Diesel47 on 11/10/2010 12:21:43 Don't listen to these noobs about how caldari hybrid isn't "Viable" or w/e.
BTW check this video out, you will like it : Linkage
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:21:00 -
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Only the Rokh really, the other caldari turret ships just don't have the DPS output necessary for blasters, and the range bonuses aren't that great until you get to the battleship level IMO. ~
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Jacob Stov
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Posted - 2010.10.11 14:48:00 -
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Maxskills with Caldari hybrid ships except Falcon. After I accomplished that I moved on to minmatar ships. Needless to say, I usually don't fly Caldari any more.
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Horrus Khrosian
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Posted - 2010.10.11 17:15:00 -
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I started caldari myself (launcher ships) a few years ago and then figured "why not train up gunnery skills before cross training?"
Biggest mistake of that character's career. Even now that I can fly a near perfect blaster-rokh, i'm almost never in one except to station spin (it does look very cool). Frankly, hyrbids are just sad, and the fact caldari get a RANGE bonus on their turret ships is only adding insult to injury.
My only saving grace on all that hybrid training is that I can now fly a really sexy shield-gank hyperion (which is a hundred times more fun and effective than the rokh, btw).
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.10.11 17:23:00 -
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Range bonuses are pretty good, when you hear Gallente whining about blasters not having enough range. However, I'd really appreciate having at least the same number of guns on my blaster ships - Ferox in particular, with 7 guns it would be nice, with 6 it remains a bit of a lame duck.
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Zyress
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Posted - 2010.10.11 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Faith'Ann Justice I'm rapidly closing in on my perfect rohk skills. It's been a long and trying experience getting caldari hybrid ships to compete and adapt them as necessary for various uses, but i'm now at the point where I can look forward to even more exciting things like the eagle!
Pure Caldari hybrid turret user on my only account/character since '07 (yeah, i'm not quite a bitter old vet yet). Is anyone else as crazy in love with caldari hybrids (despite their drawbacks) other than me?
There is just something about warming up the active shield tank while simultaneously blasting anti-matter out of a full battery of blasters (or rails) and sucking down cap boosters like haloween candy that just makes me smile. No, i'm not flying the most elite OP angel ship. No, i'm not the best kill/death ratio in my fleet. No, i'm not even invited to most fleets because I just can't fly a suitable ship. BUT, i'm enjoying my ships. I love my Rohk, Moa, Merlin, Harpy, Commorant, and Raptors. I might be the laughing stock of my corp for it, but goddamnit I love caldari hybrids!
WHO'S WITH ME?
That's just sick and twisted....
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.11 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus Range bonuses are pretty good, when you hear Gallente whining about blasters not having enough range. However, I'd really appreciate having at least the same number of guns on my blaster ships - Ferox in particular, with 7 guns it would be nice, with 6 it remains a bit of a lame duck.
Problem with blasters isn't their range, it's that they deal only very slightly more DPS within said range than their pulse laser counterparts, which have 3 times the range, and the ability to instantly swap out to 10x the range. And a blaster fit rokh gets what, 800 DPS? pretty sure you can get that on an apoc that will hit farther with multifreq than a rokh does with null. |
Proxyyyy
Caldari Sicariii
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Posted - 2010.10.11 17:37:00 -
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I love this guy!
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Veliria
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:15:00 -
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Ferox and rails, beautiful ship with the intended fitting. Maybe not the best, but still fun to fly.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.10.12 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bluejacket CT on 12/10/2010 00:55:31
Originally by: Horrus Khrosian shield-gank hyperion (which is a hundred times more fun and effective than the rokh, btw).
Half the EHP for marginally more DPS with less range, I'd have to disagree.
Originally by: Cambarus And a blaster fit rokh gets what, 800 DPS?
Over 1000 with neutrons and 3 mag stabs. Has almost 175k ehp with a shield buffer fit. The tank is huge, the dps is very nice, and the range bonus actually makes a big impact with large hybrids. ~
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Mavnas
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Posted - 2010.10.12 01:23:00 -
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I flew a Moa/Ferox for a few weeks (this char is only three months old) before finally succumbing to the Drake. I must say my style was totally different. I was all about sniping/passive tanking. After a time I started questioning what my capacitor was even for :p
Eventually I'll get a fleet command ship and make it a super-Ferox. If the Ferox was as good as the Drake stats-wise, I would fly it instead.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.12 02:40:00 -
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Edited by: Cambarus on 12/10/2010 02:43:01
Originally by: Bluejacket CT
Originally by: Horrus Khrosian shield-gank hyperion (which is a hundred times more fun and effective than the rokh, btw).
Half the EHP for marginally more DPS with less range, I'd have to disagree.
Originally by: Cambarus And a blaster fit rokh gets what, 800 DPS?
Over 1000 with neutrons and 3 mag stabs. Has almost 175k ehp with a shield buffer fit. The tank is huge, the dps is very nice, and the range bonus actually makes a big impact with large hybrids.
To quote myself from another thread:
Originally by: Cambarus
decided to open up eft, looking at the geddon and the rokh: with drones: Geddon does 1223 DPS at 15+10 rokh does 881 DPS at 19+16 If we use ammo to get the ranges to be closer together: Geddon with xray will hit at 23+10, for 1072 DPS Rokh can't really compete at multifreq range, because with antimatter its range drops to 7.8+13, and the other ammos aren't really worth using.
Geddon can also instantly swap to scorch and hit for 1039 DPS with a 45km optimal (that's insane btw, more than double the range and STILL putting out more raw DPS)
Now let's deal with your post: The only way to get 1k+ DPS with a rokh is to use faction antimatter. I'm not sure where you get this 175k EHP buffer fit from, as with minimal tackle and MWD (so 2 slots taken up) and 3 damage mods I'm only seeing 145k EHP (LSE, 2 invulns, 3 extender rigs and a photon field, oh and the damage control and a PDU).
Problem is, if you're doing 1k DPS, you're only hitting out to 6.8+15km, and the range bonus of the rokh is damn near useless (it's a whopping 2.3km range increase).
Not only that, but you're literally doing the same DPS as a geddon with scorch, but the geddon has ~6.5 times your optimal range, AND a utility high, AND the ability to do more DPS than you if it switches to multifreq, while STILL having more range.
It has 30k less EHP, but with 20% more dps, 200% more range (that's comparing multi to AM, multi and null which would be closer in range yields a 40% DPS increase for the geddon), a utility highslot, a more RRBS friendly tanking type, oh and it's cheaper.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.10.12 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Bluejacket CT on 12/10/2010 04:54:26
Originally by: Cambarus
Now let's deal with your post: The only way to get 1k+ DPS with a rokh is to use faction antimatter. I'm not sure where you get this 175k EHP buffer fit from, as with minimal tackle and MWD (so 2 slots taken up) and 3 damage mods I'm only seeing 145k EHP (LSE, 2 invulns, 3 extender rigs and a photon field, oh and the damage control and a PDU).
Problem is, if you're doing 1k DPS, you're only hitting out to 6.8+15km, and the range bonus of the rokh is damn near useless (it's a whopping 2.3km range increase).
Not only that, but you're literally doing the same DPS as a geddon with scorch, but the geddon has ~6.5 times your optimal range, AND a utility high, AND the ability to do more DPS than you if it switches to multifreq, while STILL having more range.
It has 30k less EHP, but with 20% more dps, 200% more range (that's comparing multi to AM, multi and null which would be closer in range yields a 40% DPS increase for the geddon), a utility highslot, a more RRBS friendly tanking type, oh and it's cheaper.
Edited to be less wall-of-texty
2 LSE IIs, 3 Invuln IIs, D/C II and a PDU II, with 3 core defense field extenders. I ditch the tackle on fleet BSes. And yeah, I use faction antimatter on everything, as I'm sure you do :D
The ship I was comparing the Rokh to was a shield gank hyperion, not a geddon. My point is that as far as blaster battleships go, the Rokh is the king of the skies.
*edited to include all tank mods/rigs fitted ~
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VC General
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Posted - 2010.10.12 09:20:00 -
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If the roles and stats of lasers and hybrids were reversed, hybrids would make more sense. Both hybrid types would have similar damage, but Gallente would have meaningful range with their blasters, and Caldari would get meaningful damage to go with their range bonuses. Unfortunately, rails do terrible damage at every range under 150km, and blasters have such ridiculous range, you almost have to bump the target to shoot them. The problem as I see it, is that neither race has bonuses on most of their ships which overcome these flaws enough to make them as fun or useful as similar ships of other races.
My personal preference for a fix would be more specific bonuses to the two races' ships, which keep them unique in terms of rails vs blasters, but bring the damage, tracking, and range when using them more in line with the other two gun types. For instance, the Rohk could get a rail specific damage bonus, and the Mega could get a higher range and tracking bonus for blasters only.
On a side note, Caldari BS 5 certainly isn't a wasted skill, despite the Rohk's flaws. It opens up some interesting fleet sniper fits for the Rohk, as it's great for Scorpion and Raven pilots. I'll admit the best part about it is the damage you get out of the Nightmare.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.10.12 10:53:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with the rokh.
Its the best shield tanker with an insane buffer, regen, and decent dps to come with it. Just be careful of dreads and keep moving :)
A normal rokh should have some 20km range, 800-1k dps, and a 160-170K ehp tank, making it very hard to take down with logistics repping around.
Other hybrid ships i like more would be the rail rokh (more dps , more tracking, double EHP, more range then a mael when snipin. What more would you ask?)
Nano/spike eagle. (buffed recently with the allign to bookmarks making this impossible to warp on to)
Harpy (Anti-frig, KM whoring)
Merlin (more tank. decent gank , more speed then the buffered punisher)
ill be honest, i dont really like moa and ferox as they are largely outclassed by thorax/ruppy, hm/ham drake respectively.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mavnas Eventually I'll get a fleet command ship and make it a super-Ferox.
Sadly you are quite mistaken. Vultures are pretty awful for actual combat. Five medium guns and two range bonuses do not a pimpin' ship make.
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Mavnas
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Mavnas Eventually I'll get a fleet command ship and make it a super-Ferox.
Sadly you are quite mistaken. Vultures are pretty awful for actual combat. Five medium guns and two range bonuses do not a pimpin' ship make.
Yeah, but the original Ferox isn't that awesome to begin with :(
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mavnas Yeah, but the original Ferox isn't that awesome to begin with :(
The most cost efficient medium sniper. Though I have to admit that's an awful lot of caveats....
But then add in the fact that the Vulture loses a gun and only gains more (unneeded for the most part) range for a higher price than an Eagle and the amount of fail reaches critical mass quite quickly.
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Mavnas
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Posted - 2010.10.12 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Mavnas Yeah, but the original Ferox isn't that awesome to begin with :(
The most cost efficient medium sniper. Though I have to admit that's an awful lot of caveats....
But then add in the fact that the Vulture loses a gun and only gains more (unneeded for the most part) range for a higher price than an Eagle and the amount of fail reaches critical mass quite quickly.
Back in the days when I still flew my Ferox, I never had the skills to fill all my turret slots anyway. The Vulture gains more resists too, though that doesn't matter so much at sniper range. In the end, I'll probably train for it then end ip using it... well, as some sort of command ship to boost a fleet with. Pretty crazy, I know.
I seem to be playing my Amarrian alt more lately anyway :(
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