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Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Millith on 13/10/2010 10:08:00 Finally after quite some time, I've decided to change my password. Don't often do this with anything, as I usually don't care.
Went to change my password, and got this.
"Your password must: Contain at least one uppercase letter"
I'm seriously getting sick of more and more restrictions being placed on what I can and can't use as my password. First it was just abcdefg, now it's abcd3fg, now it's Abcd3fg.
It's getting bloody stupid. Back off and let me have what I want as my password. ------------------------
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Cpt Advile
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:11:00 -
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I know dude... it's the governments.. the system is flawed ...like yesterday I went to my local bank to liberate my bank account from the password cruse, but they were on to me... told me I couldn't do it... I ended up being thrown out by the security.. damn it's a password conspiracy! -------------------------------------------- Captain: Scotty, boost amarr laser power... CCP Scotty: I cannot' change the laws of physics. (Stay tuned for next episode where we pre-nerf ur boost) |
Lanu
0utbreak
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:13:00 -
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So whats your accountname again?
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:16:00 -
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Keyloggers have a problem with the space key. Don't you know that?
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Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex Keyloggers have a problem with the space key. Don't you know that?
Man, I wish I could use the tab key in passwords. - Paknac Queltel
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Manackel
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:20:00 -
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Ever think that maybe it's because it's harder to guess your password when there's a mixture of upper and lower case letters, numbers and symbols?
Ever think that maybe CCP are doing it for YOUR ACCOUNT PROTECTION?
You'd complain if your account was hacked and you'd left your password as it was before, just simple lower case wording. At least now there's a slightly lower chance of that happening.
Mack
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith Edited by: Shade Millith on 13/10/2010 10:08:00 Finally after quite some time, I've decided to change my password. Don't often do this with anything, as I usually don't care.
Went to change my password, and got this.
"Your password must: Contain at least one uppercase letter"
I'm seriously getting sick of more and more restrictions being placed on what I can and can't use as my password. First it was just abcdefg, now it's abcd3fg, now it's Abcd3fg.
It's getting bloody stupid. Back off and let me have what I want as my password.
People like you just invite account stealers, you shouldn't be allowed to use the internet, you clearly do not know how. |
Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:35:00 -
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They do it for own protection.
Seriously. How could you whine about that?
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose They do it for own protection.
Seriously. How could you whine about that?
because it is annoying and I thought my password was good enough without it.
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Artemis Rose They do it for own protection.
Seriously. How could you whine about that?
because it is annoying and I thought my password was good enough without it.
Just make it Password1 rather than password.
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Artemis Rose They do it for own protection.
Seriously. How could you whine about that?
because it is annoying and I thought my password was good enough without it.
Just make it Password1 rather than password.
Password1, hmm I'm going to have to remember that for next time!
and I like my passwords with letters numbers and symbols, just not capital letters
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:51:00 -
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i had to change my password to Hunter2 lol
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose They do it for own protection.
Seriously. How could you whine about that?
Quote: Ever think that maybe it's because it's harder to guess your password when there's a mixture of upper and lower case letters, numbers and symbols?
The chance someone guesses your password when it is something easy as "kittens" is astronomically small. If my pass is "kjlsaghl" it does not contain any uppercase or special characters while the chance someone guesses it is 0.
Yes if you want to protect your encrypted HDD you want at the very least something that wont turn up in a dictionary attack, and preferably also a long pass with special stuff in it. But brute forcing your eve login is just not an option for hackers.
Generally stealing account logins are done by keyloggers, phising sites, sites inviting stupid people (ie: look here who blocked you on msn) and random sites where they just hope you use same login as on the account they want to steal (for example i make a new site like eve-central where you got to make a login, and i just hope it is equal to your eve login). Against none of these methods it will matter if you take a stronger pass. And again, brute forcing an internet login is not an option.
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Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:09:00 -
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this reminds me of the film Avalon when the protagonist introduces her password.. that's for sure a safe password
You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here. |
Arkanor
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Arkanor on 13/10/2010 11:16:16
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails i had to change my password to Hunter2 lol x
You do realize when you post your password on here it shows up as ******* right?
On a related note, I think there was a study (yeah don't quote me on this) on forcing password restrictions like this. It tends to make people choose easier passwords, making accounts even easier to hack. Personally it just annoys the **** out of me.
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Theron Iyayora
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:17:00 -
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I've concluded that account safety precautions are poppy****. Back in another MMO I had the longest and most ridiculous password you could ever dream of. I had it wrote down and it took me 2 minutes just to type the damn thing in, until I realized I could type it in to a document and use copy/paste to put it in.
Anyway, quit that game 2 year ago, and now when I check out my character on something similar to what EVE has in EVE gate, I see that it has been active for 1 and a half years, is on another server (have to pay to do that) and is constantly updating the gear. My computer has good security (no crap free firewalls/AV) and I know what I'm doing, never told PW or UN to anybody, never went to any shady websites, never downloaded any addons claiming to be mods for the game, nothing like that. Still got "hacked".
I think if you have good security and don't do anything to increase your chances of getting hacked like downloading "mods" that OMG ADD 100 ZEROS ON TO YOUR MONEY BALANCE" and don't tell ANYBODY your UN/PW, then you still have a chance to be hacked whether your password is insane or mundane. It's just luck.
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Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor On a related note, I think there was a study (yeah don't quote me on this) on forcing password restrictions like this. It tends to make people choose easier passwords, making accounts even easier to hack. Personally it just annoys the **** out of me.
It also makes it easier on those that try to brute-force it (idiots who try to brute-force passwords over a network do exist). When there must be 6 characters, at least one capital and at least one number, many passwords will have a capital at the start, 4 lowercase letters, then a number. - Paknac Queltel
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:28:00 -
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isn't 'princess' or something one of the most common ones too?
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Noun Verber isn't 'princess' or something one of the most common ones too?
dag nabbit...
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Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Millith on 13/10/2010 11:51:31
Originally by: Manackel Ever think that maybe it's because it's harder to guess your password when there's a mixture of upper and lower case letters, numbers and symbols?
Ever think that maybe CCP are doing it for YOUR ACCOUNT PROTECTION?
You'd complain if your account was hacked and you'd left your password as it was before, just simple lower case wording. At least now there's a slightly lower chance of that happening.
Mack
Then let that be MY choice.
My passwords are secure enough without being babied. gdkgneilfyas or gdkgn3ilfyas or Gdkgn3ilfyas. It turns the chance to bruteforce it from "Absolutly minute" to "absolutly minute" to "absolutly minute". All for more buttons for me to remember.
Originally by: Buck Marui People like you just invite account stealers, you shouldn't be allowed to use the internet, you clearly do not know how.
No, it's people like you that can't secure your own account without having your hand held, because you clearly don't know how. ------------------------
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Planetarian
Gallente Covert Operations Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:53:00 -
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Once again my troll radar overheated and blew up ! /Planetarian |
Manackel
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith Edited by: Shade Millith on 13/10/2010 11:51:31
Originally by: Manackel Ever think that maybe it's because it's harder to guess your password when there's a mixture of upper and lower case letters, numbers and symbols?
Ever think that maybe CCP are doing it for YOUR ACCOUNT PROTECTION?
You'd complain if your account was hacked and you'd left your password as it was before, just simple lower case wording. At least now there's a slightly lower chance of that happening.
Mack
Then let that be MY choice.
My passwords are secure enough without being babied. gdkgneilfyas or gdkgn3ilfyas or Gdkgn3ilfyas. It turns the chance to bruteforce it from "Absolutly minute" to "absolutly minute" to "absolutly minute". All for more buttons for me to remember.
'Cause having to remember a few extra buttons really is a terrible thing. Fair enough it's your choice, I just think it's silly to complain that CCP are trying to do their part in keeping your accounts secure.
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Planetarian Once again my troll radar overheated and blew up !
dont troll the trolls
oh wait....
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Efraya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:59:00 -
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Non-Dictionary word with extended ascii characters FTW! Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist |
Dagny Bronstein
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Dagny Bronstein on 13/10/2010 12:07:13
Originally by: Arkanor You do realize when you post your password on here it shows up as ******* right?
LOL
*runescape flashback*
edit: "the let it be my choice" - people tend to make stupid decisions when you give them the opportunity to do so and CCP's customer support staff has to deal with the fallout resulting from bad passwords. (And unless you cannot trust your roommate - who already has the possibility to steal all your other RL stuff - there wouldn't be a drawback to enforcing so complex passwords that most users will write them down and stick the note to their monitor.)
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Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Manackel 'Cause having to remember a few extra buttons really is a terrible thing. Fair enough it's your choice, I just think it's silly to complain that CCP are trying to do their part in keeping your accounts secure.
Security theater isn't security. - Paknac Queltel
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith No, it's people like you that can't secure your own account without having your hand held, because you clearly don't know how.
Haha, as much as I appreciate your wild speculation based on nothing, youll forgive me if I don't take anything you say seriously right?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:07:00 -
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Those who introduce those ever more intricate password schemes have not true security experience.
There is an easily met thresold beyond which security becomes counter-productive.
I worked for a para-military company for years, when they started enforcing stronger passwords people started writing them on post-its sticked on the monitors. Once the direction forbidden those post-its, they started writing Excel sheets with their and their whole departments passwords writen on them. Shortly after some of those started getting randomly spread in emails. A disaster, the maintenance guys had to constantly monitor people so they would not do stupid things. All of this because someone decided that letting people use "password" as password was unsafe but Password1 was perfectly good and strong security. - Auditing & consulting
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Those who introduce those ever more intricate password schemes have not true security experience.
There is an easily met thresold beyond which security becomes counter-productive.
I worked for a para-military company for years, when they started enforcing stronger passwords people started writing them on post-its sticked on the monitors. Once the direction forbidden those post-its, they started writing Excel sheets with their and their whole departments passwords writen on them. Shortly after some of those started getting randomly spread in emails. A disaster, the maintenance guys had to constantly monitor people so they would not do stupid things. All of this because someone decided that letting people use "password" as password was unsafe but Password1 was perfectly good and strong security.
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Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Buck Marui And it never occured to them to use the industry security standard of sentences?
People tend to take words like 'password' literally, unfortunately.
I do so prefer sentences. Easy to remember, easy to type, typically harder to read over the shoulder of someone typing it in...
But of course, some idiot will have put a maximum limit on password length "so they won't forget it as easily".
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!! - Paknac Queltel
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