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Don ZOLA
Caldari TunDraGon Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.17 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Moris Edited by: Mr Moris on 17/10/2010 01:25:11
Originally by: Don ZOLA Edited by: Don ZOLA on 17/10/2010 00:20:09 bunch of crap
How can you prove he isn't a scammer? He associates with known scammers and as such they shed light on NJ's character.
Furthermore, why would you WANT to use NJ? Chribba works just fine without any of the unnecessary risk.
Being rich doesn't mean someone is above scamming. Rich get richer, right? He is obviously trying to make money at this. Why else do it? Best case scenario I see is another Bad Bobby ala does a few good deals to build rep then cuts and runs.
Saying someones a scammer is not a ****ty move if there is an iota of doubt in there trustworthiness. AthiestofFail is still called a scammer even though, against all odds, people DO trust him to back some small lottos etc.
Why don't you start with an Assault Frigate lotto to build up some trust NJ? That's right, you're still PL which are entirely untrustworthy.
Now all we need is Darius Johnson to come back and offer a third party service :P
PS why is it only PL people vouching for you? Oh that's right....
PPS If I am entirely missing it here and you do just want to offer the EVE community a service why not start with a website or similar? You're rich. You dont need the isk and can probably hire any programing you need done for isk in addition to renting a server. Do some selfless acts before asking people to trust you.
i dont have to prove it idiot, he has proven himself trough his career over the years. He does not associate with known scammers, he might share alliance with them but does not cooperate with them, and i point out again for blind/stupid people PL leadership is not allowed to scam.
Being rich doesnt mean someone is above scamming, but is just one more reason for him not to do it. Good reputation is hard to earn you dont just go and screw it for some isk. But how could spineless alt know about it anyway :|.
Not to mention that when 3rd party service works good you earn way more then you would earn with one or couple of scams. For doubting someones trustworthines you would actually need to have a clue about person you talk about. There are plenty of trustworthy people in this game who are trusted with bilions of isk you probably never heard of. Simply becouse you are not into that business, so its completely understandable that you dont know it but doesnt mean you should go and bull**** around about them...
And ofc person is not guilty until proven otherwise, and i can bet in whatever amount of isk you want that he will never be in situation to even get acused of scamming... I dont ask you to trust him, thats personal choice, there are already 3rd party services active, but there is completely no need to come and acuse him of something. Unless you are bitter spineless alti heh ?
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Mr Moris
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Posted - 2010.10.17 03:18:00 -
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There are TONS of people who are trusted with ****tons of isk everyday, you're right. But random people are not handing over anything. It's associates and friends.
Or are you claiming that there are hordes of people I don't know who run successful 3rd party/IPO's? That number is quite finite thank you very much.
Try this:
Goonswarm circa 2007 passes a rule that their leadership is not allowed to scam. You gonna trust them or are you going to base your choice off of the track record of those with the Goonswarm name?
Fastforward 2010:
PL passes a rule that their leadership is not allowed to scam. You gonna trust them or are you going to base your choice off of the track record of those with the PL name?
It's like someone in Hydra coming out with a 3rd party. Not gonna happen because of Bad Bobby.
NJ is not gonna happen because PL is a load of scammers/griefers. Happy to be proved wrong, but with the overwhelming rejecting of this offering from everybody outside of PL, somehow I doubt it. Claiming that some sort of internal PL mechanism is going to keep NJ honest is a load of ****e.
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Mr Moris
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Posted - 2010.10.17 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Don ZOLA And ofc person is not guilty until proven otherwise, and i can bet in whatever amount of isk you want that he will never be in situation to even get acused of scamming... I dont ask you to trust him, thats personal choice, there are already 3rd party services active, but there is completely no need to come and acuse him of something. Unless you are bitter spineless alti heh ?
This is just hilarious. This is EVE. Everyone is GUILTY until proven otherwise. If you don't believe that, I'll offer you 10% return on any isk amount you send me paid monthly.
I mean, no one has ever accused me of scamming. I must be trustworthy. My friends say so!
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Don ZOLA
Caldari TunDraGon Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.17 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Moris There are TONS of people who are trusted with ****tons of isk everyday, you're right. But random people are not handing over anything. It's associates and friends.
Or are you claiming that there are hordes of people I don't know who run successful 3rd party/IPO's? That number is quite finite thank you very much.
i wouldnt say there are horders but im very sure that there are players who run successful 3rd party/IPO's which you dont know about.
Originally by: Mr Moris
Try this:
Goonswarm circa 2007 passes a rule that their leadership is not allowed to scam. You gonna trust them or are you going to base your choice off of the track record of those with the Goonswarm name?
Fastforward 2010:
PL passes a rule that their leadership is not allowed to scam. You gonna trust them or are you going to base your choice off of the track record of those with the PL name?
It's like someone in Hydra coming out with a 3rd party. Not gonna happen because of Bad Bobby.
Well goons are goons, you are right about them. but there is one big difference between leadership of goons and PL. PL is pirate alliance, lead by our beloved leader Shamis who as his whole corp has piracy in his veins. As we pirates live of what we kill or what we ransom our word and our reputation means a lot to us. I dont imply that all PL members live by that code but Shamis and couple of more people from leadership do. We would never cross our word, there is no amount which could change that. And as you can read in Shamis thread about PL leadership and tht they are not allowed to scam, he will personally reimburse every scam.
Originally by: Mr Moris
NJ is not gonna happen because PL is a load of scammers/griefers. Happy to be proved wrong, but with the overwhelming rejecting of this offering from everybody outside of PL, somehow I doubt it. Claiming that some sort of internal PL mechanism is going to keep NJ honest is a load of ****e.
Im sure you will be proven wrong, might take some time for people to grow trust in him but if he does it with professionalism like he does other things (and im sure this wont be an exception) he will make it. Its not interlan PL mechanism what keeps him honest, he is just one of us old vets who care about ehonour.
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Skylar Kieran
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Posted - 2010.10.17 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Noobjuice Edited by: Noobjuice on 13/10/2010 22:50:44 Will be free of charge
Originally by: Don ZOLA Edited by: Don ZOLA on 17/10/2010 00:20:09any of the unnecessary risk. Not to mention that when 3rd party service works good you earn way more then you would earn with one or couple of scams.
Just to be a troll or a pain i the ass.... he says "free of charge" you say he can make more as a third party than scamming...
Seems to me ripping someone off 60 billion or so on a titan trade when you are "free of charge" doing that ONCE seems like a decent scam... seriously at current plex prices thats only around a decade of game time....
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.17 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Moris There are TONS of people who are trusted with ****tons of isk everyday, you're right. But random people are not handing over anything. It's associates and friends.
Or are you claiming that there are hordes of people I don't know who run successful 3rd party/IPO's? That number is quite finite thank you very much.
Try this:
Goonswarm circa 2007 passes a rule that their leadership is not allowed to scam. You gonna trust them or are you going to base your choice off of the track record of those with the Goonswarm name?
Fastforward 2010:
PL passes a rule that their leadership is not allowed to scam. You gonna trust them or are you going to base your choice off of the track record of those with the PL name?
It's like someone in Hydra coming out with a 3rd party. Not gonna happen because of Bad Bobby.
NJ is not gonna happen because PL is a load of scammers/griefers. Happy to be proved wrong, but with the overwhelming rejecting of this offering from everybody outside of PL, somehow I doubt it. Claiming that some sort of internal PL mechanism is going to keep NJ honest is a load of ****e.
actually no, goon leadership passed a rule that said you were not allowed to use your director status in the alliance in ourder to give you an advantage when scamming.
Shamis has said that you are not allowed to use the PL name to scam. This covers what noobjuice is doing, as he is a well known figure in the alliance, and scamming billions off of somebody would sully the alliances name and fudge up future contracts, which are worth HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS for the alliance.
At the end of the day, the people who arent ignorant know noobjuice can be trusted, the rest of you can use chribba until this is proven.
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Don ZOLA
Caldari TunDraGon Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.17 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Skylar Kieran
Originally by: Noobjuice Edited by: Noobjuice on 13/10/2010 22:50:44 Will be free of charge
Originally by: Don ZOLA Edited by: Don ZOLA on 17/10/2010 00:20:09any of the unnecessary risk. Not to mention that when 3rd party service works good you earn way more then you would earn with one or couple of scams.
Just to be a troll or a pain i the ass.... he says "free of charge" you say he can make more as a third party than scamming...
Seems to me ripping someone off 60 billion or so on a titan trade when you are "free of charge" doing that ONCE seems like a decent scam... seriously at current plex prices thats only around a decade of game time....
Im sure he wont keep it forever free, he will do it free for some promotion time :)
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Mr Moris
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Posted - 2010.10.17 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Rive
actually no, goon leadership passed a rule that said you were not allowed to use your director status in the alliance in ourder to give you an advantage when scamming.
Shamis has said that you are not allowed to use the PL name to scam. This covers what noobjuice is doing, as he is a well known figure in the alliance, and scamming billions off of somebody would sully the alliances name and fudge up future contracts, which are worth HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS for the alliance.
At the end of the day, the people who arent ignorant know noobjuice can be trusted, the rest of you can use chribba until this is proven.
Just doesn't fly for me. You're claiming an internal mechanism will keep him honest. PL will insure that NJ doesn't scam. That's hogwash. If CCP was guaranteeing it, or Chribba, that's one thing, but you're trying to suggest that an alliance of pirates is trustworthy simply because you say they are. An unproven track record that is only supported by undocumented deals. Or is there some empirical proof that PL leadership is trustworthy, bar none?
Didn't think so. Doesn't exist for anyone but Chribba/Darknesss/Grendell (and I think 1 of those 3 is about to make some big isk.. stay tuned!).
And to claim goon directors never scammed is laughable. Laughable. I hope you giggled when you typed that :-)
As for deals being worth HUNDREDS of BILLIONS and not worth sullying the name, well, something tells me people in a position to hire PL are not gonna be bothered by some unrelated scamming. Not to mention walking off with hundreds of billions is very possible with ****.
So whatever. People still buy renamed faction ships in trade windows. EVE is full of gullible idiots and fanboys aplenty. GL reaping your just desserts!
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Noobjuice
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.17 23:10:00 -
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5 years of successful mercenary contracts says you're safer with me than the guys being used now. Stop ****ting up my thread, thanks
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Jebba IV
Think and Grow Rich
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Posted - 2010.10.19 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jebba IV on 19/10/2010 11:29:47 Writing to confirm Noobjuice is a a very trustworthy guy. I've been dealing with him in numerous ways for years, and he is always a top notch professional. Best of luck mate.
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Pucelle
The Final Destination
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Posted - 2010.10.19 12:21:00 -
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Actually i think thrust must start somewhere and if you guys take a look with the amout of thrust some of the other third partys started i think NJ really got atleast the same level.
I'll use him for my next transactions.
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Wrik Hoover
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.19 14:34:00 -
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*bump*
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Lee ChanKa
WEPRA CORP Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.19 17:43:00 -
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I vouch for NOOBJ as trusted
gl m8 with thingy..
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Bobbechk
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.19 18:02:00 -
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haha wow, so many bitter ppl itt
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MissBolyai
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.19 20:35:00 -
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To be honest, people would have to be a moron to trust NJ or anyone from PL that isn't Shamis. NJ has made his way in eve through scamming, being a jew and just generally ****ing people over.
I've used Darknesss twice, and Chribba once, and I've never once had a single problem with promptness of service or their fees. I'd definitely think that going somewhere besides NJ with a supercap makes a lot more sense than the alternative. He'll prolly arrange for you to be hot-dropped 1 cyno out anyhow.
Consider this a free bump NJ ;)
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Noobjuice
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.19 20:43:00 -
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Thanks buddy, remind me to bump your threads later.
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MissBolyai
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.19 20:44:00 -
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I just have one. But don't worry, I'll be sure to keep you in the loop.
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Vampiresss
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.10.24 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Noobjuice 5 years of successful mercenary contracts says you're safer with me than the guys being used now. Stop ****ting up my thread, thanks
LOL, your (Our Opinion Matters) PL buddys did that for you!!
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Shiwan Khan
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.24 19:37:00 -
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I love all these comments saying NJ will scam you for two reasons. First of all, because NJ is one of the most trustworthy people in eve that i know, and second because he is offering his services for free. If you want to use him im sure he would be happy to be of service, if you don't its no skin off his back. ____________________________________________
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