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tookar
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.03 10:17:00 -
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As the warfare and corporate mechanics stand at the moment, you can apply to a corp at war, warp to one of the defender's shiny ships or mining fleet/whatever then at that moment have the agressing corp's CEO log in and accept your corp application while you're in warp.
Then you can proceed to instantly start shooting, giving the defenders literally a handful of seconds warning if that before they're ganked. It's incredibly had to work around unless everyone is flying in large fleets with heavy logistics all the time. It also leads to situations where someone starts a noob character, founds a corp and declares war and can paralyse an alliance's day to day operations without firing a shot or logging on.
It's a one shot wonder since you can't leave and rejoin, but it can give you an almost guaranteed billion isk worth of of kills.
I'd propose that there's a short warm up timer after being accepted to a corp at war. Not long, maybe only 5 minutes, but enough so that people working with a net of scouts or other countermeasures can see the war target coming. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.03 10:24:00 -
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But you're already at war, right? What are you doing messing about in a billion isk ship whilst you're at war? What's the difference between someone in the corp waring ontop of you and shooting you and someone who wasn't in corp when they initiated warp warping ontop of you and shooting you after joining the corp in warp?
The effect is the same and as you said, it's a one shot weapon.
I'd say the issue is people using their shiny ships whilst at war rather than the war mechanic itself.
If you're at war don't trust anyone whether they're currently red or not. |
StoneCold
House of Sparrows
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:08:00 -
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What tookar mentioned can be a problem yes. Also Tchulen, you-¦re right.
Saying this why just dont put another step into the app-process?
For applying you have to be docked (afaik - if it wasnt changed recently). So the process for getting into a new corp looks like:
dock -> appyling -> ceo accepts your app -> you-¦re in the corp as soon as the ceo accepts
could be changed to:
dock -> applying -> ceo accepts -> dock up and press the "yes i realy want to join" - button (which should be active for min. 24 to max 48 hours after apping)
Problem (of tookar) solved.... while i highly doubt that it will change anything in the gank-factor. |
tookar
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:17:00 -
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Well the issue I see with it is there's nothing you can do to stop this. During a war if you wanted to mine for example, you'd be in a system with very few people in it which is also huge so any WTs that enter the system have to spend longer in warp getting to you than it takes for you to warp out when you see them in local. It's still a paranoid existence but it gives you something to work with rather than the guy becoming blinky less than 1AU from you.
My biggest problem with it is someone can make a new character, declare war on an alliance they don't like (perhaps their main got booted for being a pain) and suddenly everyone drops what they're doing and logs off for a week for fear of sudden death. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:18:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:What tookar mentioned can be a problem yes. Also Tchulen, you-¦re right.
Saying this why just dont put another step into the app-process?
For applying you have to be docked (afaik - if it wasnt changed recently). So the process for getting into a new corp looks like:
dock -> appyling -> ceo accepts your app -> you-¦re in the corp as soon as the ceo accepts
could be changed to:
dock -> applying -> ceo accepts -> dock up and press the "yes i realy want to join" - button (which should be active for min. 24 to max 48 hours after apping)
Problem (of tookar) solved.... while i highly doubt that it will change anything in the gank-factor.
That sounds like a sensible suggestion. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:25:00 -
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tookar wrote: My biggest problem with it is someone can make a new character, declare war on an alliance they don't like (perhaps their main got booted for being a pain) and suddenly everyone drops what they're doing and logs off for a week for fear of sudden death.
With the utmost of respect and I'm really not trying to insult you here, but if your alliance all logs off for a week because they've been wardecced by a new corp with a one to a few chars in then they're a bit of a crap alliance.
In fact, I'd go one step further. If your alliance all refuse to play because you've been wardecced by anyone they're best off dissolving the alliance and member corps and all go back to belonging to NPC corps.
Mining and missioning when you're at war is a risk you have to either accept or just not take. If you're at war your alliance should be putting all carebearing on hold and all members should be getting into pvp ships, fleeting up and going looking for war targets. The risks are there, you know them, you chose whether to take them or not.
Obviously, you could do what a lot of other people do and have a war corp where all the bears go when the alliance gets decced. |
StoneCold
House of Sparrows
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:35:00 -
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@Tchulen:
You-¦re right (with a huge BUT).
The BUT: Someone like me, hireable gun for harrassing, decleares war vs. someone (if corp or alliance doesnt matter) which got 200 people in highsec earning their isk the saveish way (just numbers to show my point).
Every single pilot of those 200 is always in danger of having me on the other side of the gate / in warp to their mission. Risk is small of getting cought (smaller than 200:1 even) but for me chances are high that someone will make me smile.
200 people jumping into combat ships to chase me down? Sure thing! I guess i m normaly sane (whatever that means) and not fighting 200 vs. 1. So i-¦d stay docked or just jumpclone away from their mainfleet to get me a kill in a galaxy far far away.
I-¦m pretty sure you get what i try to say. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:07:00 -
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@ Stonecold
Yes, I do understand what you mean regarding numbers and risk but that doesn't have much to do with the OP's post about being able to join a corp in warp being unfair.
It does, however, pose an argument to my statement regarding an alliance/corp having to drop all carebearing activities when in a wardec situation. You make a good point. Sometimes the odds are in the favour of the carebears continuing although I stick with my statement that in a war situation they shouldn't be using expensive ships and modules (well, unless they don't mind losing them).
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StoneCold
House of Sparrows
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:21:00 -
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Copy that. But i-¦m all up for "them" using shiney stuff at war.
The more organised targets find a way to dodge the war... like my very last did: they joined an alliance and moved to nullsec.
There is always a countermeasure.. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:06:00 -
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tookar wrote:As the warfare and corporate mechanics stand at the moment, you can apply to a corp at war, warp to one of the defender's shiny ships or mining fleet/whatever then at that moment have the agressing corp's CEO log in and accept your corp application while you're in warp.
This is an exploit. I should know, I have a GM warning about doing it right after the dec scraping rules were lifted (apparently, "no rules" doesn't mean no rules.)
If someone does it to you, petition it.
When I asked for clarification, I was told that you should either dock/undock or jump systems after being accepted. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:57:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:Copy that. But i-¦m all up for "them" using shiney stuff at war.
The more organised targets find a way to dodge the war... like my very last did: they joined an alliance and moved to nullsec.
There is always a countermeasure..
Well said |
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