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Luminak Narz
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Posted - 2010.10.15 12:57:00 -
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Just wondering if anyone has read anything about the fleeting process for the upcoming expansion. Meaning, will there be system-wide public fleets, where you can group up with non-Corp members (i.e. strangers) when the invasions happen, or will it still be up to your Corp or groups of friends to form fleets. I favor greater accessibility in the form of public fleets.
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Oldor
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Posted - 2010.10.15 13:00:00 -
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public fleets sound like a concord free gankfest
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Steve Celeste
Overdogs
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Posted - 2010.10.15 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Oldor public fleets sound like a concord free gankfest
Lofty scam was patched about 2-3 years ago, you should try and keep up.
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.15 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Oldor public fleets sound like a concord free gankfest
Lofty scam was patched about 2-3 years ago, you should try and keep up.
These are in lowsec as well though aren't they?
Caldari and minmatar pvpers gunna have a ball, since most people will probably tank EM/Therm. Suppose domi pilots will be good too. ------
0800-LAG-A-NODE
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.10.15 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker since most people will probably tank EM/Therm. Suppose domi pilots will be good too.
Them new sanshas lob kinetic missiles at you. Domi + rapier is the way to go.
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DNA Prototype
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.15 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Oldor public fleets sound like a concord free gankfest
Lofty scam was patched about 2-3 years ago, you should try and keep up.
Still be a gankfest. Just like when people run lowsec mission and get ganked. |
JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.10.15 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Oldor public fleets sound like a concord free gankfest
Good, a lot of destruction .
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Alyth
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.10.15 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: DNA Prototype
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Oldor public fleets sound like a concord free gankfest
Lofty scam was patched about 2-3 years ago, you should try and keep up.
Still be a gankfest. Just like when people run lowsec mission and get ganked.
ITT: People whining that they aren't safe everywhere in EVE while spawning high bounty rats on demand.
Anyways, you are just as likely to get ganked by the NPCs as you are players. Mission rats these are not.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.15 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 15/10/2010 14:29:15 Just another shortsighted scheme to get more victims in lowsec.
Probably work for a week or two, then the majority will go back to their usual activities in hisec, and this content will be farmed exclusively by giant 0.0 alliances.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.10.15 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 15/10/2010 14:29:15 Just another shortsighted scheme to get more victims in lowsec.
Probably work for a week or two, then the majority will go back to their usual activities in hisec, and this content will be farmed exclusively by giant 0.0 alliances.
this make lowsec not a death sentence of YARR! tards and maybe people will go to it.
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Alyth
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.10.15 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Taxesarebad
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 15/10/2010 14:29:15 Just another shortsighted scheme to get more victims in lowsec.
Probably work for a week or two, then the majority will go back to their usual activities in hisec, and this content will be farmed exclusively by giant 0.0 alliances.
this make lowsec not a death sentence of YARR! tards and maybe people will go to it.
WTS: Clue. Lowsec is remarkably devoid of so-called Yarrtards. The only place you will find them is chokepoints, as it should be. Lowsec is not half as bad as you make it out to be, it just means you actually have to pay attention to the game you are playing. Huh, fancy that....
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Herrring
Amarr State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.10.15 21:46:00 -
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LOL have you guys even been in low sec?
Most of the systems have 0 local.
Just because you are stupid enough to jump through nourv-tama gate without scouting doesnt mean low sec is full of pirates.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.15 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring LOL have you guys even been in low sec?
Most of the systems have 0 local.
So they dream up things like this in a lame effort to change that, and give them a reason to camp gates that aren't trade routes.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Alyth
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.10.16 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Herrring LOL have you guys even been in low sec?
Most of the systems have 0 local.
So they dream up things like this in a lame effort to change that, and give them a reason to camp gates that aren't trade routes.
Oh jeebus will you get over the fact that lowsec is nowhere near as dangerous as you are making it out to be? 9 times out of 10 I can go to lowsec looking for a fight and get nothing. It's not dangerous, it just requires common sense and a little caution. If you can't handle either of those two concepts why are you playing EVE in the first place?
Honestly, if you die in lowsec it's your own fault. Not for going there, but for not taking the necessary precautions. If I can go there throwing caution to the wind and not die, imagine just how well you could do by checking D-scan and local every couple of minutes or getting a scout of some description in high traffic areas
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.16 01:37:00 -
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I have no trouble with lowsec at all, and travel through it whenever i want without fear, in ships capable of making the trip.
It's taking PvE battleships, or any PvE ship for that matter, there and back where we run into trouble.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Tuttomenui II
Gallente Buddha Pigs
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Posted - 2010.10.16 02:55:00 -
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These won't only be in low sec and the high sec variants are just as nasty. CCP Tanis spawned some Deltole Sansha battleships in a incursion we passed, and they tore me apart in seconds flat. And I was in a Buffer tanked Kronos. I died faster to the npcs than I do to a nyx and a full flight of fighter bombers.
I think people who have learned to successfully fight sleepers will have the most luck with these new rats.
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Alyth
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.10.16 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula I have no trouble with lowsec at all, and travel through it whenever i want without fear, in ships capable of making the trip.
It's taking PvE battleships, or any PvE ship for that matter, there and back where we run into trouble.
Just because they are NPCs doesn't necessarily mean a standard PvE fit is the way forward. RR PvP setups work just as well tbh as some of these Sansha rats can fight as well as players and have just as many tricks up their sleeves. As I said earlier, mission rats these are not.
With regards to getting PvE fit ships in and out of lowsec, travel fit much? I mean for gods sakes, I used to live and run missions in Aridia. Guess how many times I got ganked. Heres a hint: less than one. Moving stuff isn't hard either. If an untanked T1 indy with a couple of nanos or istabs in lows can make it through lowsec largely unharassed, a BS with the same fit plus some WCS wont have many problems unless you deliberatley move through a chokepoint or high traffic area. In that case more fool you for putting yourself in that situation.
You can say 'oooh it's scary' till the cows come home but the truth of the matter is it's not at all scary if you take the necessary precautions and pay attention. End of. Those two tiny steps render your current and all future arguments void.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.16 03:31:00 -
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Even if you do scout ahead and get yourself in, people are either going to ambush anyone fighting what seem to be incredibly hard NPCs, or just sit on a gate and wait for them to finish.
These two facts about doing Sansha incursions in lowsec render all your future points invalid.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Tuttomenui II
Gallente Buddha Pigs
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Posted - 2010.10.16 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Even if you do scout ahead and get yourself in, people are either going to ambush anyone fighting what seem to be incredibly hard NPCs, or just sit on a gate and wait for them to finish.
These two facts about doing Sansha incursions in lowsec render all your future points invalid.
These incursions are are designed for 10-20 people for some and 20-40 for others. No one is going to mess with a 40man PVP fit rr fleet unless they are an even larger fleet. Or got some huge ballz.
!ALL YOUR ROOKIES ARE BELONG TO ME! |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.16 03:43:00 -
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If someone watches while cloaked, or even just staying a couple hundred kms away, and waits for the right moment to tell one or two friends to jump in and do the right thing, they could ruin hours of work and get even a large fleet exploded.
Also, it's much easier to just assemble a fleet and wait on a gate for people to finish than it is to actually do the work yourself.
Both these things are going to happen, a lot.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
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Tuttomenui II
Gallente Buddha Pigs
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Posted - 2010.10.16 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula If someone watches while cloaked, or even just staying a couple hundred kms away, and waits for the right moment to tell one or two friends to jump in and do the right thing, they could ruin hours of work and get even a large fleet exploded.
Also, it's much easier to just assemble a fleet and wait on a gate for people to finish than it is to actually do the work yourself.
Both these things are going to happen, a lot.
Yeah cause the NPC won't target the interlopers, never ever ever...
!ALL YOUR ROOKIES ARE BELONG TO ME! |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.16 03:57:00 -
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That remains to be seen. But we've seen how much of a science suicide ganking has become, even with CONCORD blasting them to hell.
The stakes are even higher now, with more 'tears' to be had.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Alyth
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.10.16 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Even if you do scout ahead and get yourself in, people are either going to ambush anyone fighting what seem to be incredibly hard NPCs, or just sit on a gate and wait for them to finish.
These two facts about doing Sansha incursions in lowsec render all your future points invalid.
Can I have your crystal ball please? Or are you simply speculating with absolutely zero prior knowledge of how this is all going to play out?
All you are doing is scaremongering, all the while burying your head in the sand refusing to believe that lowsec is not a dangerous place if you take the proper precautions. It is a proven fact that it is not hard to get into, out of or move around in lowsec. It is a proven fact that ganks don't happen unless you let them. Can you prove that even if you are PvE fit that the Sansha NPCs won't just switch off your heavily tanked ships and pop the gankfit players?
As you seem to keep forgetting, or ignoring as it renders much of what you say invalid, these are NOT standard NPCs. They have fighters, they have bombers, they have unpredicatable targeting logic, they use nonstandard damage types etc. You will not just be able to go 'loltankroomaggro' and go afk for 2 hours. They are designed to think like players and as such will be a decent match for them, bear or PvPer.
And you know what? It's really not all that hard to have people standing by in case people do decided to crash your party. If there's no CONCORD there to hold your hands, then deal with the problems yourselves or would that be too hard? I respectfully request you grow a pair and get over it because your complaining about minor issues as if it's gamebreaking or the end of the world is frigging irritating. Lowsec isn't as infested with drooling savages as you make it out to be.
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Feilamya
Pain Elemental
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Posted - 2010.10.16 16:00:00 -
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A social network... Public fleets...
I like the way CCP is giving Darwin a helping hand with each new expansion
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