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Counterinsurgency
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Posted - 2010.10.17 17:56:00 -
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WTB û Sharton û I want him back!!!
I want to buy Sharton back. IÆm willing to pay 20 billion ISK.
http://www.eveolving.com
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Duncan Bannatyne
Fat Raptor Technologies
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Posted - 2010.10.17 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Duncan Bannatyne on 17/10/2010 18:06:14 Don't buy/sell characters for cash, this is a simple lesson and you should move on. Turn your ISK and energy into PLEX and buy a character through the forums.
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Counterinsurgency
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Posted - 2010.10.17 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Duncan Bannatyne Don't buy characters for cash.
Mind your own business. A person who learns of the crime after it is committed and helps the criminal to conceal it, or aids the criminal in escaping, or simply fails to report the crime, is known as an "accessory after the fact".
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Glamring Sha'Karr
Caldari Innoculate
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Posted - 2010.10.17 18:30:00 -
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Looks to me like you sold that toon for 1 ISK according to ccp rules.
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Counterinsurgency
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Posted - 2010.10.17 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Glamring Sha'Karr Looks to me like you sold that toon for 1 ISK according to ccp rules.
Looks to me like you have no idea what youÆre talking about, but thanks for the free bump.
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Doddy
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.17 18:46:00 -
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It can't be theft as sharton was not your property, he was ccps. If any theft went on it was actually you as you sold ccps property and passed it off as your own.
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Counterinsurgency
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Posted - 2010.10.17 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Doddy It can't be theft as sharton was not your property, he was ccps. If any theft went on it was actually you as you sold ccps property and passed it off as your own.
Well, as you didnÆt see the original contract, you donÆt know what I actually sold.
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Doddy
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Doddy on 17/10/2010 19:10:41
Originally by: Counterinsurgency
Originally by: Doddy It can't be theft as sharton was not your property, he was ccps. If any theft went on it was actually you as you sold ccps property and passed it off as your own.
Well, as you didnÆt see the original contract, you donÆt know what I actually sold.
Even if you put together some mad contract that allows you to legally sell someone elses stuff what made you think he would ever honour it? he even says in the convos that he is from uk so clearly some wacky american law isn't going to worry him. Plus if the contract wasn't for the character then he hasn't violated the eula and shouldn't be banned, can't have it both ways.
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Kano Takada
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:14:00 -
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by far the best read of the year yet.
kwl story bro.
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Tosspot Shirtlifter
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:19:00 -
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Wacky American Law..........
Harsh, very harsh.
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Counterinsurgency
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tosspot Shirtlifter Wacky American Law..........
Harsh, very harsh.
ItÆs a felony in the United Kingdom also :-)
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Doddy
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Counterinsurgency
Originally by: Tosspot Shirtlifter Wacky American Law..........
Harsh, very harsh.
ItÆs a felony in the United Kingdom also :-)
Well why don't you tell us what was in this contract and we can all judge that....
By distance selling regulations in the uk a character which has breached the Eula and been banned is not fit for purpose and the buyer would be due a full refund plus costs.
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Counterinsurgency
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Doddy Well why don't you tell us what was in this contract and we can all judge that....
By distance selling regulations in the uk a character which has breached the Eula and been banned is not fit for purpose and the buyer would be due a full refund plus costs.
IÆm not looking for your judgment as it has no impact on me.
The character hasnÆt been banned yet. IÆve already offered a full refund to the current owner if he comes forward and tells the truth.
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imafatwhore
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:49:00 -
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stfu whining you stupid ****ing yank, get a grip you were a tit for selling it for Rl cash and got scammed, deal with it.
now **** off and cry somewhere. ffs!
rant over
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Counterinsurgency
Sharton's Owner
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: imafat***** stfu whining you stupid ****ing yank, get a grip you were a tit for selling it for Rl cash and got scammed, deal with it.
now **** off and cry somewhere. ffs!
rant over
Classic!!! Thanks for your post :-)
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Duncan Bannatyne
Fat Raptor Technologies
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Duncan Bannatyne on 17/10/2010 19:57:31 I was hoping not to post again in this thread as it is a bit of a dramabomb but I'll offer a short statement for you.
You've earned 400$ from this game where you should of never earned anything. It has quite rightly been pointed out that you've attempted (and successfully) sold CCPs property where you had no right. Yes you can create a contract where as you "Sell a paperclip with a free EVE account" or something however someone broke YOUR rules on YOU whilst you were breaking CCP rules. It's kalma my friend.
You made a mistake. You're up $400. Either learn from the mistake or continue on with this crusade of yours and end up with nothing to show for it.
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Doddy
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Counterinsurgency
Originally by: Doddy Well why don't you tell us what was in this contract and we can all judge that....
By distance selling regulations in the uk a character which has breached the Eula and been banned is not fit for purpose and the buyer would be due a full refund plus costs.
IÆm not looking for your judgment as it has no impact on me.
Then wtf are you posting?
You breached the eula and infringed ccps propriety rights then told them about it so they banned you. The person you sold to is far harder for ccp to prove they did anything wrong as other than some emails (not valid evidence at all) everything is done by the book from their side. As it stands at the moment you are way ahead as you (supposedly) have $400 while the other guy has a char which will probably be banned once ccp get down to the bottom of it. Even if your contract was simply for him to transfer the char in exchange for money it is not a valid contract as doing so infringes ccps propriety rights. No crime has been committed.
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Counterinsurgency
Sharton's Owner
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Doddy Then wtf are you posting?
You breached the eula and infringed ccps propriety rights then told them about it so they banned you. The person you sold to is far harder for ccp to prove they did anything wrong as other than some emails (not valid evidence at all) everything is done by the book from their side. As it stands at the moment you are way ahead as you (supposedly) have $400 while the other guy has a char which will probably be banned once ccp get down to the bottom of it. Even if your contract was simply for him to transfer the char in exchange for money it is not a valid contract as doing so infringes ccps propriety rights. No crime has been committed.
YouÆre almost completely wrong. The contract was legal and binding. Are you implying that itÆs ok for a buyer to enter into a legal contract and then fail to live up to said contract?
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sankaisahomie
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Counterinsurgency
Originally by: Doddy Then wtf are you posting?
You breached the eula and infringed ccps propriety rights then told them about it so they banned you. The person you sold to is far harder for ccp to prove they did anything wrong as other than some emails (not valid evidence at all) everything is done by the book from their side. As it stands at the moment you are way ahead as you (supposedly) have $400 while the other guy has a char which will probably be banned once ccp get down to the bottom of it. Even if your contract was simply for him to transfer the char in exchange for money it is not a valid contract as doing so infringes ccps propriety rights. No crime has been committed.
YouÆre almost completely wrong. The contract was legal and binding. Are you implying that itÆs ok for a buyer to enter into a legal contract and then fail to live up to said contract?
Oh god it's another forum-lawwior!
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Vap0rZ
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Counterinsurgency
Originally by: Doddy Then wtf are you posting?
You breached the eula and infringed ccps propriety rights then told them about it so they banned you. The person you sold to is far harder for ccp to prove they did anything wrong as other than some emails (not valid evidence at all) everything is done by the book from their side. As it stands at the moment you are way ahead as you (supposedly) have $400 while the other guy has a char which will probably be banned once ccp get down to the bottom of it. Even if your contract was simply for him to transfer the char in exchange for money it is not a valid contract as doing so infringes ccps propriety rights. No crime has been committed.
YouÆre almost completely wrong. The contract was legal and binding. Are you implying that itÆs ok for a buyer to enter into a legal contract and then fail to live up to said contract?
Yes is called bend over I got lube. BTW welcome to EvE.
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Counterinsurgency
Sharton's Owner
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: sanka is a homo Oh god it's another forum-lawwior!
I know the difference between right and wrong.
He made the choice of not honoring our contract, now he has to suffer the consequences.
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Doddy
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Counterinsurgency
Originally by: Doddy Then wtf are you posting?
You breached the eula and infringed ccps propriety rights then told them about it so they banned you. The person you sold to is far harder for ccp to prove they did anything wrong as other than some emails (not valid evidence at all) everything is done by the book from their side. As it stands at the moment you are way ahead as you (supposedly) have $400 while the other guy has a char which will probably be banned once ccp get down to the bottom of it. Even if your contract was simply for him to transfer the char in exchange for money it is not a valid contract as doing so infringes ccps propriety rights. No crime has been committed.
YouÆre almost completely wrong. The contract was legal and binding. Are you implying that itÆs ok for a buyer to enter into a legal contract and then fail to live up to said contract?
If the contract is invalid its fine, any attemp to transfer a character outside the Eula infringes ccps propriety rights, this in iteslf is ilegal (selling something thats not yours is theft) and as such any contract which requires it must be invalid and non-binding. You have not lost anything (arguably the transfer fee) and the buyer has lost $400, in a civil court it would probably be you who would need to pay out. In a criminal court a judge would laugh at you.
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Cake Boss
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:38:00 -
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How does one "sell" someone else's property?
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Counterinsurgency
Sharton's Owner
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cake Boss How does one "sell" someone else's property?
DonÆt be an idiot. Eve Online characters are bought, sold and traded everyday for RL money. Grow up.
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bucktooth
Caldari Ghost Data Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cake Boss How does one "sell" someone else's property?
Like me saying, i own the eiffel tower, want to buy it?
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Cake Boss
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: bucktooth
Originally by: Cake Boss How does one "sell" someone else's property?
Like me saying, i own the eiffel tower, want to buy it?
Ah I see now. Thanks for clearing that up.
To the OP LOL
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Counterinsurgency
Sharton's Owner
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:48:00 -
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One thing that no one seems to be looking at is the fact that he approached me out of the blue and offered RL cash. But I guess heÆs not responsible for any of thisà
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bucktooth
Caldari Ghost Data Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Counterinsurgency
One thing that no one seems to be looking at is the fact that he approached me out of the blue and offered RL cash. But I guess heÆs not responsible for any of thisà
Thing is you took him up on the offer....
That is why no one cares.
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Doddy
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Counterinsurgency
One thing that no one seems to be looking at is the fact that he approached me out of the blue and offered RL cash. But I guess heÆs not responsible for any of thisà
You created the contract not him. He has already lost $400 which most people would think is quite a severe punishment for an Eula infringement.
Ideally neither of you would lose any money and you both would be permabanned.
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Scammatar Mandate
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:55:00 -
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You wanted to cheat and got scammed. Terrific.
You know you could have still walked away with the $400. Now you may get into some complicated legal proceedings that will probably cost more than $1000.
Also, why hand over the account without full payment? Was it that hard to find someone to buy it?
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