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galphi
Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.10.18 13:25:00 -
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Current Hel bonus is irrelevant as you know, hope it gets an update for this expansion. Ok I got it - change the remote rep bonus to a 10% shield HP bonus per carrier level. Bam! Done
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Bobbechk
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.18 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: galphi Current Hel bonus is irrelevant as you know, hope it gets an update for this expansion. Ok I got it - change the remote rep bonus to a 10% shield HP bonus per carrier level. Bam! Done
Bam! change that to armor bonus instead and someone would actually use them bam! ________
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John Caffeine
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.18 17:11:00 -
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Obviously Hel pilots like being special, so why not give them a bonus to structure HP per level?
On a serious note, the Hel's slot layout makes it a natural shield tanker, so unless CCP intend to change that layout, a shield HP bonus per level would be more natural than an armor bonus.
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galphi
Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.10.19 08:14:00 -
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There are already two armour tanking supercarriers (Aeon, Nyx) so it's natural for the Hel to remain shield based. If anything, the Nidhoggur should be made into a shield tanker (6 mid 5 low) to bring it in line with it's larger counterpart.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2010.10.19 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 19/10/2010 10:08:58
Originally by: Bobbechk
Originally by: galphi Current Hel bonus is irrelevant as you know, hope it gets an update for this expansion. Ok I got it - change the remote rep bonus to a 10% shield HP bonus per carrier level. Bam! Done
Bam! change that to armor bonus instead and someone would actually use them bam!
Because more armor tanking is what we really need
Originally by: galphi There are already two armour tanking supercarriers (Aeon, Nyx) so it's natural for the Hel to remain shield based. If anything, the Nidhoggur should be made into a shield tanker (6 mid 5 low) to bring it in line with it's larger counterpart.
This
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trady mctradsytrade
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Posted - 2010.10.19 11:22:00 -
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give it the same slot layout as the nyx, then it dosent matter what you do with the bonus cos it will still be in reguarded as usefull.
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Companion Trollin
You are going too fast
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Posted - 2010.10.19 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Companion Trollin on 19/10/2010 11:38:12 I think the hel needs an 18% vertical rotation per skill level - at V the ship would be fully vertical.
That should fix everything.
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Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts dealing with sexual orientation have been removed. Please keep this discussion on-topic.
Thanks.
-- Shadow
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Jun Soroni
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Posted - 2010.10.19 17:00:00 -
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Hel should have bonuses to fighters tracking (10% per level) and fighter bomber (if it behaves like missiles, bonus to sigradius), making hel more efficient against smaller targets.
hence we have aeon and wyvern (tank monsters) nyx (well you all know what nyx is for) hel (this ROLE i mentioned before)
will keep the things still at the same level.
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xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:18:00 -
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The Hel just needs one bonus to fix it.
-20% training time reduction to any other racial carrier skill
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xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:22:00 -
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Per level
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geilesding
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Posted - 2010.10.20 07:40:00 -
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I think a bonus on FB / Fighter MWD Speed would be a greate deal.
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Lee Janssen
Legacy of the Lantean Ancients x Lucian Alliance x
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Posted - 2010.10.20 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lee Janssen on 20/10/2010 08:08:22 I think that Minmatar carrier 5 should unlock the skill: Win and when Win is trained 5, the mere presence of a Hel on grid with any other ship ends up with them leaving in pods... oR better yet, them just appearing in their clone stations.
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TestPilot PleaseIgnore
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Posted - 2010.10.20 08:23:00 -
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All kidding aside, we all know that the Hel's current bonus is a joke. Where is the promised change in it's bonuses CCP?
Suprise us please
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galphi
Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.10.20 08:50:00 -
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Yes at this point any change is good change. Pick a new bonus and go with it!
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Jun Soroni
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Posted - 2010.10.20 12:44:00 -
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Still i need something better on Hel
as someone said any bonus other than remote repair will be better, all i want is give the ship a purpose. so the players could break it and have more fun with it.
i still think that any tank bonuses to Hel is Crap, MEGACRAP.
i would train for AEON instead.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.20 13:07:00 -
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how about the hel gets a bonus cargo hold like the primae for all livestock and perishable goods
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Sweet Slayer
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Posted - 2010.10.20 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jun Soroni ...any tank bonuses to Hel is Crap, MEGACRAP...
15% velocity bonus per capital ship level and a 5% Fighterbomber speed per Fighterbomber level would be a welcome surprise
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Major Graft
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Posted - 2010.10.20 17:52:00 -
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This has been the most informative carrier thread i have ever seen. I'm about to start training for one. could you guys say why the useful carriers are useful? I'm glad I know not to head down the mini route ;)
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galphi
Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.10.21 04:40:00 -
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Nidhoggur is good if you plan on going for the best triage carrier, otherwise gallente or amarr would be the better option for staying alive or dps. They have the best supercarriers at this point too, though that might change if ccp fix the Hel.
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Vanderie
Amarr Ignatium.
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Posted - 2010.10.21 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: galphi Nidhoggur is good if you plan on going for the best triage carrier, otherwise gallente or amarr would be the better option for staying alive or dps. They have the best supercarriers at this point too, though that might change if ccp fix the Hel.
The Nidhoggur is the best triage carrier if you are an EFT warrior and assume that it must be the best because of it's bonuses. In reality, the Nidhoggur is one of the worst triage carriers around, due mainly to it's slot layout where it cannot fit enough recharge to efficiently keep its capacitor alive. The archon is a FAR better choice all around, with the Thanatos coming in as a distant second; no carrier really compares to the Archon in terms of triage-ability. ----------
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Jun Soroni
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Posted - 2010.10.21 11:32:00 -
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i think you are looking under other perspective...
Niddhogur has a more Logistic Role than all the others carriers.
but... we are discussing HEL bonuses.
as soon as the SuperCarrier change came the Hel Bonuses should be changed...
What i suggest here is: 1) give a bonus to HEL to replade the remote rep bonus(be as crazy as you want) 2) Justify the role when compared to the other SuperCarriers.
Ex. i mentioned before 1) 10% tracking to fighter, 5% less sigradius on Fighter Bombers 2) hit smaller targets (ex. Battleships/BCs) more efficiently
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galphi
Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.10.21 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vanderie The Nidhoggur is the best triage carrier if you are an EFT warrior and assume that it must be the best because of it's bonuses. In reality, the Nidhoggur is one of the worst triage carriers around, due mainly to it's slot layout where it cannot fit enough recharge to efficiently keep its capacitor alive. The archon is a FAR better choice all around, with the Thanatos coming in as a distant second; no carrier really compares to the Archon in terms of triage-ability.
Not to get off topic, but this is correct. I've been flying a Niddy for over two years but I actually had to go to eft to see what sort of general numbers the archon can do. Much better cap.
As for the ability to hit smaller targets, that's not what supercarriers are supposed to be about. But perhaps if the Hel got an agility bonus, it could be better for hit-and-run tactics, where it can warp out a lot quicker.
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Jun Soroni
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Posted - 2010.10.21 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: galphi
Originally by: Vanderie The Nidhoggur is the best triage carrier if you are an EFT warrior and assume that it must be the best because of it's bonuses. In reality, the Nidhoggur is one of the worst triage carriers around, due mainly to it's slot layout where it cannot fit enough recharge to efficiently keep its capacitor alive. The archon is a FAR better choice all around, with the Thanatos coming in as a distant second; no carrier really compares to the Archon in terms of triage-ability.
Not to get off topic, but this is correct. I've been flying a Niddy for over two years but I actually had to go to eft to see what sort of general numbers the archon can do. Much better cap.
As for the ability to hit smaller targets, that's not what supercarriers are supposed to be about. But perhaps if the Hel got an agility bonus, it could be better for hit-and-run tactics, where it can warp out a lot quicker.
well you guys want to discuss what bonuses HEL might have or the sex of angels? put your ideas in a format and lets improve my lovelly ship :)
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Fujin MarketAgent
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Posted - 2010.12.13 10:49:00 -
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necro necro necro
But wish ccp would look at this, as they have stated themselves that the current Bonus is not fitting the new super carriers role.
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So Cash
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: So Cash on 13/12/2010 12:59:55 5% bonus to capacitor usage of target painting modules ?
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.12.13 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: So Cash Edited by: So Cash on 13/12/2010 12:59:55 5% bonus to capacitor usage of target painting modules ?
make it to capital target painters
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.13 16:34:00 -
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"Slave" implants secondary bonus fix: "...does not work for capital and super-capital ships". -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Lee Janssen
CONCARD
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Posted - 2010.12.14 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri "Slave" implants secondary bonus fix: "...does not work for capital and super-capital ships".
You ******... Don't you dare mess up the armor tank, DONT YOU DARE! - Damn it, out of duct tape again. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.12.14 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri "Slave" implants secondary bonus fix: "...does not work for capital and super-capital ships".
And:
"The extra armour given by Slave implants must be repped up upon every session change".
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.15 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Janssen
Originally by: Tonto Auri "Slave" implants secondary bonus fix: "...does not work for capital and super-capital ships".
You ******... Don't you dare mess up the armor tank, DONT YOU DARE!
I'm not a ******, and i'm using armor tank on most of my characters. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
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