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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.10.22 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 22/10/2010 08:01:59
Originally by: Fohacidal I wondered at first why you thought that ship you linked was a good submission because it honestly sucks. Then i read the rest of your post and realized you were an idiot.
This kind of rudeness is why we can't have nice things. If you think DA sucks, imagine what that community thinks of EVE Online right now?
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Laina Delapore
Red Sun Industries Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.22 10:16:00 -
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When I first saw the little box at login advertising this, my thought was "Oh dear, this is going to end badly."
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Shianno
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Posted - 2010.10.22 12:27:00 -
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Just my 2 cents. CCP, next time, please use ConceptArt.org for this contest instead.
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Aphoxema G
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.22 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn Edited by: Mara Rinn on 22/10/2010 08:01:59
Originally by: Fohacidal I wondered at first why you thought that ship you linked was a good submission because it honestly sucks. Then i read the rest of your post and realized you were an idiot.
This kind of rudeness is why we can't have nice things. If you think DA sucks, imagine what that community thinks of EVE Online right now?
If their feelings are hurt or how they perceive the EVE community has no bearing on the argument that, in general, the semi-finalists are heartily agreed to be disagreeable. This was a test (whether intended or not) to see if the people of DeviantArt were compatible with that of EVE Online. ------------------------------- The fox chases for her meal, but the rabbit runs for her life. |
Face612
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Posted - 2010.10.22 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shianno Just my 2 cents. CCP, next time, please use ConceptArt.org for this contest instead.
That is a cool site! I would have suggested: http://conceptships.blogspot.com/
At least these guys are in the business of designing concept ships for Sci Fi universes. Awesome eye candy on that site.
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Mishkaii
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Posted - 2010.10.22 13:32:00 -
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Supported, even with Tornado in there this has been a **** poor contest and the DA staff are clearly ******s.
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Krats
The Pioneers
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Posted - 2010.10.22 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Face612 Edited by: Face612 on 22/10/2010 13:26:02
Originally by: Shianno Just my 2 cents. CCP, next time, please use ConceptArt.org for this contest instead.
That is a cool site! I would have suggested: http://conceptships.blogspot.com/
At least these guys are in the business of designing concept ships for Sci Fi universes. Awesome eye candy on that site.
If this contest had been run on either of those two sites you would have had some fantastic, mind blowing entries produced by professionals in the field and Eve would have ended up with an incredible looking new ship.
On the downside though you would only have had about 50-100 entries as most people would have considered the competition out of their league. Since this was largely a marketing exercise the point was to garner publicity and enthusiasm from as many people as possible, the choice of deviantArt does make sense.
It was a good plan, there are many fantastic artists on dA and some excellent designs were produced. The plan went south because the dA judges failed to pick from the best entries, instead picking semi finalists seemingly at random. -
Nooo! The cake can't be a lie!!
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Master Zeuth
SniggWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.10.22 13:53:00 -
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Supported. There are way too many amazing entries that lost to completely un-EVE-related designs.
Basically, dA's judges don't know EVE. We know EVE. We should vote on them ourselves, or have someone else who knows EVE, (A dev/designer) do the selections, and then let the final 4 up to a vote.
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Sagara Takeda
Black Dragon Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.22 15:59:00 -
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/Signed /Supported /Agree
I officially hate Deviantart now.
The entire top 15 needs to be re-selected by a more professional, competent, and eve-knowledgeable source.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.10.22 16:35:00 -
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So the whine is that entries were judged on aesthetics and the official posted rules rather than "OMG, I'd totally fly that!"?
I must say I rather like the semi-finalists, nice spread of various styles .. sure some wouldn't really fit into Eve without some PF shenanigans but considering the crap CCP came up with for the silly special shuttle and other 'gift' ships I doubt that is a hindrance.
Snippet from rules:
Originally by: Rules Judging of the winners will be based on Originality, Creative Presentation of the Task, and Technical Artistic Skill ...
You would have to go way off the track to not meet those criteria (ie. adding legs and crap ).
No support as its a pointless issue.
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Deliram
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Posted - 2010.10.22 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida So the whine is that entries were judged on aesthetics and the official posted rules rather than "OMG, I'd totally fly that!"?
I must say I rather like the semi-finalists, nice spread of various styles .. sure some wouldn't really fit into Eve without some PF shenanigans but considering the crap CCP came up with for the silly special shuttle and other 'gift' ships I doubt that is a hindrance.
Snippet from rules:
Originally by: Rules Judging of the winners will be based on Originality, Creative Presentation of the Task, and Technical Artistic Skill ...
You would have to go way off the track to not meet those criteria (ie. adding legs and crap ).
No support as its a pointless issue.
1) take a closer look to all the other entries(not only most popular), you will find far better ships, even more original, better fitted to eve standards, with better presentation ecc 2) If you read the rules you will find also in the beginning:
Quote: Entrant must follow the instructions on Contest Site and submit a completed entry of a depiction of a "starship" suitable for inclusion in EVE Online ("The Work"), inspired by (but not incorporating any graphic elements of) the examples provided at the Contest Site ("SponsorĘs Marks").
How you missed that? But also in the contest article:
Quote: Examples of how an entry should look are here (image of eve ships) and here (video of eve ships).
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.22 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 22/10/2010 17:40:03
Originally by: Aphoxema G
Originally by: Mara Rinn Edited by: Mara Rinn on 22/10/2010 08:01:59
Originally by: Fohacidal I wondered at first why you thought that ship you linked was a good submission because it honestly sucks. Then i read the rest of your post and realized you were an idiot.
This kind of rudeness is why we can't have nice things. If you think DA sucks, imagine what that community thinks of EVE Online right now?
If their feelings are hurt or how they perceive the EVE community has no bearing on the argument that, in general, the semi-finalists are heartily agreed to be disagreeable. This was a test (whether intended or not) to see if the people of DeviantArt were compatible with that of EVE Online.
If people of eveonline would be compatiable witheach-other, we would not have trolls and wars, but that's what makes eve fun.
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2010.10.22 20:16:00 -
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I vote that a new type of NPC is being created so I can have fun blowing up something deviantart-related over and over and over and over.
That "Pencil" ship was better than the stupid "battlecruiser" someone threw together in half a minute.
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YouShouldntEatIt
Carebear University
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Posted - 2010.10.22 23:32:00 -
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/signed
there are far more beautiful ships that actually fit into the eve universe, and for that part, creations that not only looked beautiful, but also had thought behind them.
giving us some lame excuse like "our views differ" makes me wonder why deviant art was chosen, and makes me wonder why the hell they didnt atleast study eve online in order to make more informed decisions.
in short, **** deviant art, and let CCP judge the best ship (they created all of the ones in game after all.. and those are pretty nice. if deviant art created the ships for eve, we would have flying roses and fedex boxes.)
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Rawbone
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Posted - 2010.10.23 04:25:00 -
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So many good looking entries that look like they belong in the eve universe. I'd like to know if ccp plans on introducing a new race to mesh with one of the non-eve designs.
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Soporo
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Posted - 2010.10.23 15:52:00 -
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Cyprus Black
Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2010.10.23 16:03:00 -
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Glyken Touchon
Gallente Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2010.10.23 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
1) Re-judge the entire contest. Throw out the opinions of the deviantart judges, and have judges from CCP select a new set of 15 semi-finalists as well as the three winners (out of the CCP-chosen 15).
not going to happen. Would cause too many legal issues from the 15 that made it to the semis. Never mind the PR ones.
Pick the best entry from the 15, incorporate that ship, award the other prizes.
Then go through the full list of entries and see which other ships should also be included. With any luck they can get a full racial set.
I would definately be interested in seeing a full list of the valid entries, with the DA scoring for each, though
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Troll Bridgington
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
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Posted - 2010.10.23 17:38:00 -
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Was I the only one who did not see this coming?
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Otocinclus
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2010.10.23 23:00:00 -
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Quote: Dedicated players of EVE who have a deep, intimate relationship to the game will likely use a different lens in viewing what the artists have produced than would the skilled artists we used to judge the contest semi-finalists. When you blend two worlds, that of the arts and that of EVE, you cannot expect the result to look only as EVE would have it be.
Translation;
Quote: Screw the players, just because they know how ships look in the game doesn't mean that they know what real art is. We are an interweb art site and we are obviously better than you. wolololol
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Ogogov
Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.10.24 04:05:00 -
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welp, not that i've used the software in nearly a decade, but my degree was in CGI and yeah... deviantart screwed up, badly.
Very saddening.
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Necronus
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.10.24 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Necronus on 24/10/2010 07:18:54 Edited by: Necronus on 24/10/2010 07:18:10 +1
This was a an epic fail. While browsing content i feared that there are way more than 15 designs that are worthy of winning and after i saw DA semi-final list i was like Wtf? Really there are max 2 designs that are OK others are some bullcrap that wont even fit in Eve evar.
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Zeta Chi
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Posted - 2010.10.24 08:07:00 -
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Holy mother of bad sportsmanship guys.
"Design I liked / I made didn't win, so clearly the whole thing was rigged and the judges were idiots and we should go it over"
Not supported
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Elric Hexx
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.10.24 09:50:00 -
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Absolutely 100% Supported
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Elric Hexx
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.10.24 09:53:00 -
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http://moonbeam13.deviantart.com/ has posted a new message to her blog for us about the contest, make of it what you will.
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Sagara Takeda
Black Dragon Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.24 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Elric Hexx http://moonbeam13.deviantart.com/ has posted a new message to her blog for us about the contest, make of it what you will.
summary of blog:
More fluff and bullcrap. Apparently a simple "logo" on your ship could "disqualify" you?!?! And this was just one of her many fail misinterpretations of the contest rules. So she gives a myriad of other reasons why all the cool ships were disqualified and the really crappy ones were chosen. However, after reviewing the crappy top 15 again, I have seen that some don't follow her own strict misinterpreted set of contest rules! fail! The bottom line is, they feel they know art better than us, they chose a bunch of crap ships and now are coming up with lame excuses as to why it's this way. I guarantee you if CCP artists had been judging they would have chosen a top15 of nothing but the best-- Best Eve-like ships, Best Drawn ships, Best Art, everything. DeviantArt sucks at judging plain and simple and I still feel that truly were extremely lazy in choosing the top15 and simply chosen out of the most recent submissions. This Danielle person writing these blogs is on such a high horse. She needs to just admit they are way too incompetent to truly pick a top15 for such a great game as Eve and that their sense of art for spaceships is WAYY OFF ...and she needs to admit that CCP needs to take the whole contest over and pick a new top15 cus deviantart sure as heck can't do it right.
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Chaos Cell
University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.10.24 11:24:00 -
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/Signed /SUPPORTED
Re-judge it CCP!!!!!
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Konoch
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.10.24 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Glyken Touchon
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
1) Re-judge the entire contest. Throw out the opinions of the deviantart judges, and have judges from CCP select a new set of 15 semi-finalists as well as the three winners (out of the CCP-chosen 15).
not going to happen. Would cause too many legal issues from the 15 that made it to the semis. Never mind the PR ones.
Pick the best entry from the 15, incorporate that ship, award the other prizes.
Then go through the full list of entries and see which other ships should also be included. With any luck they can get a full racial set.
I would definately be interested in seeing a full list of the valid entries, with the DA scoring for each, though
It needs to happen. You want a PR disaster? Let any of the final fifteen make it into the game. I've already stated publicly that i'd hunt these ships. If CCP lets these 15 go through it flys in the face of EVERYTHING they've said concerning incarna over the past year and why they're doing what they're doing with Incursion to boot.
There are so many entries that should be there and aren't. Only 3 of the 15 are game worthy only 2 of them are able to be made. If we do what you suggest. You get two minmatar ships. Thats it. And they aren't a new type of ship either. I voice my overall support for something being done. It has to be drastic and it has to get DA's attention.
Quote: 'We can confirm that none of the deviantART staff judges were experts on EVE. They were not required to be - - just like an artist entering the contest was not required to be expert in EVE.'
This was in DA's latest 'statement' on the situation. And THAT tells me all i need to know. Experts? I'd be surprised to find if one judge even PLAYED. And even on artistic grounds. The 15 that were chosen were not even close to being the top 15 submitted.
Speaking as someone who's debated this on Gen Discussion i'm ****ed generally and i hope CCP takes real action here. There were several submissions (One of which DA has PULLED DOWN! because of its comparison to the others...) That have been fully ignored for whatever reason despite their quality.
Now i must take issue with one thing: The **** and vinegar being thrown at the artists in question. One of the artists in question left DA for good others are getting bombarded. Players who are doing this need to stop. They created what they would want in the game. There are technical and in some cases artistic reasons why they shouldn't be in the 15. But none of them show a lack of talent or some of the other things that have been thrown around. I personally didn't put an entry in because i would have ran into the same problem as the Peregrine (which has been pulled down by DA..) I'd have gone for more than 6 pictures and the time involved for me to make it was prohibitive. There does need to be a change and these 15 chosen should have at least some compensation for the ****storm that has erupted on them. It is a storm entirely of someone else's making. I do protest the obvious ripoffs and i do protest the non racial ships but i will not make a personal attack on these artists. And you shouldn't either.
As an artist everything we do is subjective. It is entirely up to the person looking at it to determine what they believe. We try our damnedest but in the end its the person who looks at it that makes the decision.
CCP Stop this before it jumps off the tracks. Please do not force players to take extreme measures in the existence of one of these semi-finalists in the game. Re-judge this contest yourselves and get a proper set of ships in game.
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Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
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Posted - 2010.10.24 13:13:00 -
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Supported.
To the Deviantart Artists
I have enjoyed perusing your art. There are many talented people, of varying levels of skill, displaying their art there. I wish you all the best and hope you understand that most of the comments I and others have left are directed primarily at deviantart mangers/ judges, and should not be taken as an attack on you the artists.
To DeviantArt management
I will shortly be cancelling my account, never to return. This is my (albeit small) protest at what I consider to be an utter mockery of a contest. The judging of this contest was a joke, not to mention an open insult to the artists themselves. Failure to accurately describe or clarify the rules was unprofessional, failure to apply those rules equally is unforgivable. This entire competition has been a shining example of poor organisation, suspicious judging and truly offensive public relations.
To CCP
I sincerely hope this experience has not damaged the possibility of similar competitions in the future. There is a wealth of talented people who would love to see their dream ship added to the game, and I feel Eve could benefit greatly from this. Should you (CCP) decide to hold this type of competition again, please consider hosting/ judging it internally so as to insure that both the organisers and judges are competent to make the necessary decisions. As it appears that regardless of how "professional" the judges at DA may be, in this particular case I would in no way consider them "competent".
Peace.
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Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
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Maz3r Rakum
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.10.24 17:24:00 -
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