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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia
Originally by: Ghoest Your not being honest. Your sex in EVE is about howw you represent yourself and nothing else.
Ah, but you are assuming we all started this trend only in EVE. What about in say Diablo 2 where the only way to be a sorcerer was to be female? Or the Assassin? What about when playing Tomb Raider or Metroid? Heck, by your logic, if I have multiple accounts, I'm representing myself as having multiple personalities. That certainly isn't the case... no it is, no shush, no one's talking to you! Look I'm the one typing here and I say we only have one personality!
Still, you are attempting to foster your own beliefs on others. My characters in EVE do not necessarily represent me. I know my self well. I would most likely be a quiet, introverted industrialist. Yet in EVE, I have my PVP toon who is out taking risks and having fun, the fun part I enjoy, but I'm not much of a risk taker. On the other hand, I do like exploring wherver I travel. My exploration character could be said to be an extension of myself. So really, for each of us it varies. Your assumption that we all follow your view though is certainly incorrect.
And while we are on the question of iconic representations, could someone tell me if the White Mage from Final Fantasy 1 was male or female? I've heard arguments for both!
Im talking about EVE.
And try learning to read. Lost of your pointed have already been addressed in this very thread.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aera Aiana
Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 26/10/2010 15:34:39 Roleplaying is pretending to be someone else.
Choosing to pretend to be be a woman is makes you transvestite.
This isnt complicated.
Yeah, and ignoring all the valid points made makes you a troll - and as we have established now, a gay one at that.
Not complicated either.
Also, your face dude.
Which valid points did I ignore? If anything I I have answered wasy to many poorly concieved arguments in this thread already.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest If anything I I have answered wasy to many poorly concieved arguments in this thread already.
Well, that's really all you can hope for with such a poorly conceived statement as yours. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:08:00 -
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so, Ghoest, did you buy that character, or was it one you created yourself?
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Tyber Zaan
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:09:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia
Originally by: Ghoest Your not being honest. Your sex in EVE is about howw you represent yourself and nothing else.
Ah, but you are assuming we all started this trend only in EVE. What about in say Diablo 2 where the only way to be a sorcerer was to be female? Or the Assassin? What about when playing Tomb Raider or Metroid? Heck, by your logic, if I have multiple accounts, I'm representing myself as having multiple personalities. That certainly isn't the case... no it is, no shush, no one's talking to you! Look I'm the one typing here and I say we only have one personality!
Still, you are attempting to foster your own beliefs on others. My characters in EVE do not necessarily represent me. I know my self well. I would most likely be a quiet, introverted industrialist. Yet in EVE, I have my PVP toon who is out taking risks and having fun, the fun part I enjoy, but I'm not much of a risk taker. On the other hand, I do like exploring wherver I travel. My exploration character could be said to be an extension of myself. So really, for each of us it varies. Your assumption that we all follow your view though is certainly incorrect.
And while we are on the question of iconic representations, could someone tell me if the White Mage from Final Fantasy 1 was male or female? I've heard arguments for both!
Im talking about EVE.
And try learning to read. Lost of your pointed have already been addressed in this very thread.
If by "Adressing" You mean saying "NO YOUR WRONG I AM RIGHT MY VEIW IS THE ONLY CORRECT ONE LOL" then....
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 26/10/2010 20:15:01
Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: Ghoest Choosing
Say, did you make that character portrait? or is it a bought character?
I made the character back in 03 myself.
And for the record I agree that people buying toons just based on training arent roleplaying or being transvestites. The same could be said for scammers( to a degree)characters whose names obviously show the character is meant to make a mockery of characters or the game.
But if you make a female toon and give it female name so you appear to be female then ya - youre a virtual transvestite.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest But if you make a female toon and give it female name so you appear to be female then ya - youre a virtual transvestite.
Maybe you should read up on what the term actually denotes firstà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: Ghoest Choosing
Say, did you make that character portrait? or is it a bought character?
I made the character back in 03 myself.
So you chose to have that pic with the creepy expression and weird lighting then.
I see...
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 26/10/2010 20:22:56 : a person and especially a male who adopts the dress and often the behavior typical of the opposite sex especially for purposes of emotional or sexual gratification
If you arent a scammer, and you arent buying the toon, and your not making a farcical character(basically if you arent playing a female toon as means to another end) then you are choosing to represent yourself as a female to make your self happy which is emotional gratification.
I was right.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: Ghoest Choosing
Say, did you make that character portrait? or is it a bought character?
I made the character back in 03 myself.
So you chose to have that pic with the creepy expression and weird lighting then.
I see...
Yes I intentionally chose to represent myself in what you might call a moderately disturbing manner.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest a person and especially a male who adopts the dress and often the behavior typical of the opposite sex especially for purposes of emotional or sexual gratification
1. Source? 2. The definition is inherently incorrect (or, more accurately, outdated) due to the use of "sex". 3. You assume that characters with cross-gender avatars "adopts the dress and behaviour" of the opposite gender ù what do you base this assumption on?
Quote: If you arent a scammer, and you arent buying the toon, and your not making a farcical character (basically if you arent playing a female toon as means to another end) then you are choosing to represent yourself as a female to make your self happy which is emotional gratification.
No. The representation isn't there because, once again, it assumes you're taking on a persona ù a step you have yet to prove universally exists. Beyond that, the equivocation of "emotional gratification" and "make yourself happy" is obtuse and thoroughly incomplete. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.10.26 21:18:00 -
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For 500 mil and up (depending on the level of kink) I can be anything you want me to be.
Other than that the latest QEN showed that 69% of all female avatars are actually male IRL. It also showed that 2 out of 3 females in EVE are lesbian. Which brings me to the point that EVE seems to attract an extraordinary amount of lesbians, real or not. |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.10.26 21:25:00 -
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1 Websters http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transvestite
If you dont like the definition thats your problem. You cant say Im wrong for using that.
2 If you want to ignore the 'sex' part for the purpose of this conversation thats cool - doing so only strengthens my point.
3 LOLz. If thats your best argument I win. RL ttire correlates to chosen icon appearance in EVE.. Their is no female or male behavior in EVE other than coming onto people - which most of us dont do regardless of our appearance.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Snowmann
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Posted - 2010.10.26 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest If thats your best argument I win.
I would guess that if the "case" you are making was judged by a jury of your peers(fellow forum dudes/dudetes), you wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
But that's just my opinion, or as you would say, fact.
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Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.10.26 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest 1 Websters http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transvestite
If you dont like the definition thats your problem. You cant say Im wrong for using that.
2 If you want to ignore the 'sex' part for the purpose of this conversation thats cool - doing so only strengthens my point.
3 LOLz. If thats your best argument I win. RL ttire correlates to chosen icon appearance in EVE.. Their is no female or male behavior in EVE other than coming onto people - which most of us dont do regardless of our appearance.
I have to say that this kind of view on my opinions and the immaturity of the statement "i win" reminds me of myself... when I was 12 years old (though I still managed to spell correctly and put sentences together in a more coherent way).
Also, you're logic is completely idiotic, and extremely immature. You don't know what a transvestite is. You threw that definition out there without even looking at it and seeing that it, in itself, completely destroys your argument. Anyone who is a transvestite, no matter whether on the internet or in real life, identifies themselves as women (or men, for people who are born women). Essentially this means that a transvestite would not come into this thread, identify their character as a woman, and then identify themselves as a man in real life (especially with the anonymity of the web where they wouldn't have to say that they are a men).
And even then, apparently it's lost on you that some people just make a female avatar, just to create something that looks much more visually appealing to them, and then, since it's an avatar, essentially never look at it again because you're in a space ship. Some men just like to create female avatars because they like to look at women, and don't identify themselves as that avatar at all. If you think that all online games are where people role play as something else all the time, then you are very naive.
You have no argument. All you've done is go around and say "I win, I'm right, this is how it is". Now go ask your mommy to make you dinner and wait until your balls drop.
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Jita Squatter
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Posted - 2010.10.26 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: TehFailGuy I think Ghoest picked the wrong cybz partner, found out the hard way, and is now bitter over the experience.
This.
Originally by: Ghoest
Im talking about EVE.
Are you sure? You are playing the game wrong.
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Tyber Zaan
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Posted - 2010.10.26 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Ghoest 1 Websters http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transvestite
If you dont like the definition thats your problem. You cant say Im wrong for using that.
2 If you want to ignore the 'sex' part for the purpose of this conversation thats cool - doing so only strengthens my point.
3 LOLz. If thats your best argument I win. RL ttire correlates to chosen icon appearance in EVE.. Their is no female or male behavior in EVE other than coming onto people - which most of us dont do regardless of our appearance.
I have to say that this kind of view on my opinions and the immaturity of the statement "i win" reminds me of myself... when I was 12 years old (though I still managed to spell correctly and put sentences together in a more coherent way).
Also, you're logic is completely idiotic, and extremely immature. You don't know what a transvestite is. You threw that definition out there without even looking at it and seeing that it, in itself, completely destroys your argument. Anyone who is a transvestite, no matter whether on the internet or in real life, identifies themselves as women (or men, for people who are born women). Essentially this means that a transvestite would not come into this thread, identify their character as a woman, and then identify themselves as a man in real life (especially with the anonymity of the web where they wouldn't have to say that they are a men).
And even then, apparently it's lost on you that some people just make a female avatar, just to create something that looks much more visually appealing to them, and then, since it's an avatar, essentially never look at it again because you're in a space ship. Some men just like to create female avatars because they like to look at women, and don't identify themselves as that avatar at all. If you think that all online games are where people role play as something else all the time, then you are very naive.
You have no argument. All you've done is go around and say "I win, I'm right, this is how it is". Now go ask your mommy to make you dinner and wait until your balls drop.
QFT.
Ghoest, i really dislike people who are unwilling to consider other people's opinions. You have yet to back up your claim in any way other than opinion and false analogy. And just saying "LOL I WIN" lessens your argument. You ignore any valid points, simply stating "I AM RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG". So please, kindly go home and stop breathing our air,
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.26 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest 1 Websters http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transvestite
If you dont like the definition thats your problem. You cant say Im wrong for using that.
Sure I can. Using a poor definition means you're talking about something completely different. It also shows that you aren't familiar with some very important distinctions, and that makes you wrong by default. I say that you are a banana because based on my complete lack of knowledge of bananas, I choose a definition of them that makes you one.
Quote: 2 If you want to ignore the 'sex' part for the purpose of this conversation thats cool - doing so only strengthens my point.
Sex is not a factor ù gender is. If you don't know the distinction, you don't understand what transvestism is either. The fact that you don't see why "sex" is the wrong word means you have no point, so there's not much there to be strengthened. You really need to read up on this (and look into identity while you're at it ù it rather important as well).
Quote: RL ttire correlates to chosen icon appearance in EVE.
How so? You assume that the same symbolism of gender conveyed through choice of vestments is at play in the choice of virtual appearance. Why is that?
Quote: Their is no female or male behavior in EVE other than coming onto people
And that's your key problem: you are now saying that behaviour tied to the person, and only manifested through the avatar. For your idea of "digital transvestism" to work, either the avatar must have a gender-specific behaviour that is adopted ù if it's the person that adopt the cross-gender behaviour, it's closer to real-world transvestism rather than any digital kindà
You reject the notion of the former, so for your hypothesis to work, all cross-gender avatars must belong to real-world transvestites. This would follow the same logic that makes you a real-life mass murderer, so I'm going to guess that you'll reject that one as well. There's still the matter of representation, you see, and you assume an absolute correlation that you still haven't even begun to prove.
Oh, and tied to that, you're still confusing two different and separate issues: transvestic fetishism and cross-dressing (both of which largely replace the obsolete and blunt idea of transvestism). You need to look into the difference between these two as well. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Cataca
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Posted - 2010.10.26 22:04:00 -
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What trippia said, and you obviously didnt understand, is that only a small fraction get any emotional gratification out of heaving an avatar of the opposite sex. The only way to obtain that, would be to openly lie about your real sex, talking to others and pretending to be a girl, however that might look like. And even if you did, how much luck would you have with that in eve? You'd probably switch to some other game rather sooner than later, where such things are easier.
As many said, they have chosen to be a female avatar, out of aesthetics. That has nothing to do with sexuality, or anything else. Its like picking a ship thats visually more appealing to you. What you do, is saying that everyone who looks at a picture of a girl, and saying shes pretty, directly implies being aroused. Or (since you switched in the middle) seeing a car and saying it looks good, directly implies, you'd like to be that car. Both statements are ridiculous, and thus, so are your so called arguments.
Also, going by your logic, you chose to be represented by this hideous guy, and thus must be hideous in real life too, or wanting to be hideous.
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Neddy Fox
Gallente FireStar Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.26 22:31:00 -
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Girl medic in DeltaForce Land Warrior was the fastest char in game :) I stick to female chars since then ...
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2010.10.26 22:39:00 -
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I want to know why Ghoest isn't making threads about people who murder other players and NPCs in game. Those monsters! If you kill people in the game, then you are pretending to kill!
I imagine Ghoest reading a book with a female protagonist then throwing it across the room in a rage. A FEMALE main character? That he's supposed to identify with?? What, is he gay or something???? What the hell?!
And then the cutting begins.
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Elaizah
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.10.26 23:08:00 -
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< Guy.
I play female character for a single reason: All male portraits look more or less crap or maybe I lack the skill in that area.
My portrait (if it ever will show) is wacky enough for me. Female portraits > male portraits.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.10.26 23:24:00 -
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Im the one who first used the word transvestite in this thread.
Im using the common definition from the most general accepted source of Engilsh(or maybe American English Im not sure what Brits use.words.
So if youre only probelm is that Im not using your prefered definition - then you are wrong not me.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Aihwa
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Posted - 2010.10.26 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Im the one who first used the word transvestite in this thread.
Im using the common definition from the most general accepted source of Engilsh(or maybe American English Im not sure what Brits use.words.
So if youre only probelm is that Im not using your prefered definition - then you are wrong not me.
You say that people who roll female characters are pretending to be female. I've never met somebody who's done that.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2010.10.26 23:49:00 -
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Ghoest, do you like Hemingway?
The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
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Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.10.27 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Im the one who first used the word transvestite in this thread.
Im using the common definition from the most general accepted source of Engilsh(or maybe American English Im not sure what Brits use.words.
So if youre only probelm is that Im not using your prefered definition - then you are wrong not me.
*facepalm*
what an idiot.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.10.27 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 27/10/2010 00:24:09
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Ghoest, do you like Hemingway?
I like "Big Two Hearted River." and some other odds and ends but over all Im not a fan. I think he was a bit of pretender in general writing about a way he imagined he should feel but couldnt quite manage.
Why do you ask?
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2010.10.27 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Im the one who first used the word transvestite in this thread.
Im using the common definition from the most general accepted source of Engilsh(or maybe American English Im not sure what Brits use.words.
So if youre only probelm is that Im not using your prefered definition - then you are wrong not me.
... and following your logic, it's safe to say everyone here pretending to be "militia members", "pirates", "industrialists" or whatnots flying imaginary "spaceships" while "killing" other pilots, defending non-existent "systems" and hoarding on fictional "riches", are suffering from psychosis. With a generous side-serving of schizophrenia.
Hey, at least, that's the dictionary-backed commonly accepted definition of the terms, innit?
... but fortunately, most other adults seem to be able to differentiate "reality" from "playing a game".
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Reiisha
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.27 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Virtual or wannabe transvestites.
Not that theirs anything wrong with being a transvestite but its what you are if youre a guy pretending to be a girl.
Of course, it's much more sensible for a guy to play what's essentially a rebel alien from 20,000 years in the future who's holding his spaceships together with duct tape.
I really don't get that attitude. So there i was, playing a female character in WoW. I got a long emo-rage from a guy over it. The guy didn't see any problem at all in him playing a 9-foot tall talking cow which walks upright and wields 2 swords which are longer than the character.
Some people really need to take a step back and look at what they're saying.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.10.27 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Of course, it's much more sensible for a guy to play what's essentially a rebel alien from 20,000 years in the future who's holding his spaceships together with duct tape.
I really don't get that attitude. So there i was, playing a female character in WoW. I got a long emo-rage from a guy over it. The guy didn't see any problem at all in him playing a 9-foot tall talking cow which walks upright and wields 2 swords which are longer than the character.
Some people really need to take a step back and look at what they're saying.
When I played WoW, I got some of the same crap.
However, when I played Aion, they made the female characters so.... how should I say it... from an anime nerd's wet dream, it was pretty much accepted in the community for guys to play girl characters, they were so damn.... attractive...
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