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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.08.04 22:38:00 -
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Seems like this makes the station denial to your enemies a waste. Since you can't deny access to all the FW neut alts that fly around and scout, pirate and supply FW players, they still have access to ships and materials, even though they can't dock. Please rethink this mechanic.
"CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
289
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Posted - 2012.08.04 22:39:00 -
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market business |
Alara IonStorm
2883
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Posted - 2012.08.04 22:46:00 -
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Yes why don't these empire stations stop all world commerce in their ports because there is a war on. Spies happen, doesn't mean they should kill the economy.
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ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
801
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Posted - 2012.08.04 22:50:00 -
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But how will TeaEarlGrayHot dock his neut loki booster for 'solo pvp'? "7 pages of people insulting me - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar What s/he (probobly he) meant: "7 pages of people disagreeing with my terrible idea - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
214
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Posted - 2012.08.04 23:17:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Yes why don't these empire stations stop all world commerce in their ports because there is a war on. Spies happen, doesn't mean they should kill the economy.
Lots of non FW stations within a few jumps of most warzones. That is where most of the supplies are dropped anyway. Most FW stations are not supplied at all. The only reason a neut docks is to supply his alt, repair his alt's ship, or setup a new ship and bring it to him. I have no problem with spies, but why should they be able dock at a station that doesn't want them? If neuts are allowed to dock, may as well allow everyone, it becomes virtually the same thing.
Just throwing this out there, I don't really have faith in CCP seeing the logic behind this.
"CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
510
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Posted - 2012.08.04 23:26:00 -
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FW pilots and their neutral alts aren't the only ones using stations in low sec. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Amarr Agent 007
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.05 01:19:00 -
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The same reason neutrals are allowe to come to port during real wars. The benefits far outweight the potential risks.
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Sarmea Moon
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.08.05 01:23:00 -
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In before someone points out you can blow up neutrals in low sec:P |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
290
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Posted - 2012.08.05 01:27:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:But how will TeaEarlGrayHot dock his neut loki booster for 'solo pvp'?
Two machs alpha those quite easy. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
290
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Posted - 2012.08.05 01:28:00 -
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Sarmea Moon wrote: In before someone points out you can blow up neutrals in low sec:P
Done, your welcome. |
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2529
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Posted - 2012.08.05 01:30:00 -
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I'm sure retconning accessibility to stations based on FW status would go down nicely with the people that may have had their holdings stored in those stations since 2003 or whenever. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
801
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Posted - 2012.08.05 01:43:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:But how will TeaEarlGrayHot dock his neut loki booster for 'solo pvp'? Two machs alpha those quite easy. Not when they are cloaked "7 pages of people insulting me - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar What s/he (probobly he) meant: "7 pages of people disagreeing with my terrible idea - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D Internet Guardians
846
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Posted - 2012.08.05 01:52:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Just throwing this out there, I don't really have faith in CCP seeing the logic behind this.
What logic?
By definition, a neutral alt appears to be exactly that; neutral. I think you may have forgotten that this an MMORPG and that FW is a vast RPG playground. When looked at from an RPG point of view, as surely one must, the idea of blocking a neutral pilots access to a station is absurd.
Just throwing that out there, I don't really have faith that you will see the logic inherent in this. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
274
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Posted - 2012.08.05 02:39:00 -
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It would be more logical that high sec stations wouldn't allow you to dock either. The navies chase you around, but then you can dock up? That doesn't make much sense.
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Marconus Orion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
374
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Posted - 2012.08.05 02:45:00 -
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You would make null blocks mad. According to the minutes, if FW so much as interferes with null power blocks logistics, they will go out of their way to destroy FW completely to teach you a lesson not to hinder them again. Remember all aspects of EVE revolve around them, they are simply be allowed to play in low sec.
So I suggest you never bring up anything that would not go swimmingly with null blocks again. Perhaps they will let you play the game even after this thread. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1238
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Posted - 2012.08.05 02:46:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:It would be more logical that high sec stations wouldn't allow you to dock either. The navies chase you around, but then you can dock up? That doesn't make much sense. I guess you hurriedly park before they get you, and they don't have a search warrant to check all the ships cluttering up the station hangar. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1764
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Posted - 2012.08.05 03:14:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:It would be more logical that high sec stations wouldn't allow you to dock either. The navies chase you around, but then you can dock up? That doesn't make much sense. I guess you hurriedly park before they get you, and they don't have a search warrant to check all the ships cluttering up the station hangar.
Then they forget why they came to the station and wander off |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.05 04:38:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:You would make null blocks mad. According to the minutes, if FW so much as interferes with null power blocks logistics, they will go out of their way to destroy FW completely to teach you a lesson not to hinder them again. Remember all aspects of EVE revolve around them, they are simply allowing you to play in low sec.
So I suggest you never bring up anything that would not go swimmingly with null blocks again. Perhaps they will let you play the game even after this thread.
And don't you forget it either.
Plebians. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
904
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Posted - 2012.08.05 16:30:00 -
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Because its lowsec not nullsec. If you want nullsec station mechanics, guess where you need to go. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1813
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Posted - 2012.08.05 16:35:00 -
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The meaningful occupancy bit had much potential, but CCP messed it up...
Only militia members should be able to dock at militia stations and only these stations should flip with occupancy, with system upgrades only affecting these stations.
All non-militia stations should have remained completely unaffected and open to anyone. This would have yielded far more interesting gameplay. You know... morons. |
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Lexmana
643
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Posted - 2012.08.05 16:51:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:The meaningful occupancy bit had much potential, but CCP messed it up...
Only militia members should be able to dock at militia stations and only these stations should flip with occupancy, with system upgrades only affecting these stations.
All non-militia stations should have remained completely unaffected and open to anyone. This would have yielded far more interesting gameplay. That would be meaningless since the militias would just base out of neutral stations. But maybe if station lockout from neutral stations was tied to how contested system was - e.g. you need to keep system at <50% to lock out enemies from neutral stations (militia stations are always in the hands of the sov holder and should change corp appropriately). |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1813
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Posted - 2012.08.05 17:07:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:The meaningful occupancy bit had much potential, but CCP messed it up...
Only militia members should be able to dock at militia stations and only these stations should flip with occupancy, with system upgrades only affecting these stations.
All non-militia stations should have remained completely unaffected and open to anyone. This would have yielded far more interesting gameplay. That would be meaningless since the militias would just base out of neutral stations.
I disagree - if militia station upgrades were useful (can't really tell if they currently are - e.g. additional invention slots would be nice), militias holding occupancy have a benefit over the enemy militia as well as neutrals.
Not locking out the enemy militia out of an entire system (if it has neutral stations) would also encourage fighting, since the losing militia would be able to reship in neutral stations - they just miss out on all the benefits the side holding occupancy has.
Of course, to make it work, current fubared plexing and flipping mechanics would need to be fixed. You know... morons. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1068
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Posted - 2012.08.05 17:11:00 -
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the pointis so active enemy fleets can't dock. They aren't trying to stop everyone from docking. Just not letting forward attacking fleets easy escape and repair.
It's perfect the way it is now
There should however be FW member only bonuses for systems on top of the public ones to ncourage joining a side to get faster blueprint copy times or something. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
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