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Minigin
Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.10.26 11:07:00 -
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it used to be difficult to move large numbers through multiple regions so as to hold space/attack space.
now days anyone set blue to a coalition can jumpbridge over half of eve in a few jumps. this allows for massive numbers to stagnate 0.0 being able to control pretty much whatever they like.
i think if eve wants to remain a sandbox game where individual players can still have SIGNIFICANT impact on the outcome of the game, then these massive numbers need to find it harder to move to wherever they want whenever they want on the drop of a hat.
options: 1. make it so that only alliances owning jumpbridges can pass through them 2. limit the amount of fuel the bridge can carry severely... perhaps enough so that only one freighter or cap can pass through it. and say 10 bs or something like that. (the best way in my eyes to do this isnt to just limit the amount of fuel you can put into the jb, but also make it so that MORE fuel is needed to jump things through. so that it requires serious logistics to gather fuel at poses if people want it to be so easy to move giant gangs through jbs. 3. remove them from the game. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
Luda Zaba
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Posted - 2010.10.26 19:33:00 -
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stop spamming forum with stupid ideas. you suck
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.26 19:46:00 -
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even CCP devs dislike that you can travel so quickly
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever even CCP devs dislike that you can travel so quickly
This. I've seen my share of people jump bridging to get away from a roaming gang only to be gathered with 50 or so of their blues 10 systems later. On another note, I also have an annoying sig. |
Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:37:00 -
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Here's my personal suggestion:
- Only one Jump Bridge can be anchored per constellation, so moving through a whole region would require about half of the jumps to be made through normal gates.
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Minigin
Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.10.27 02:24:00 -
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another couple of suggestions
- limit the number of activations per min/hour (cooldown timer) - can allow small gangs or solo travelers to move quickly still (if this was indeed intended) and slows down with larger numbers. - make it similar to wormholes in that you need less mass to go through it or something, so people need to offline mwds/plates or just have it so that they have to offline those things anyway. - dont really like this one but just throwing it out there. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
GreGh Rakrot
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2010.10.27 06:03:00 -
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Jumbbridge spam is really getting ridiculous, specially as anyone with standings can use them, it should really be limited to alliance members owning jumpbridge just like cyno generators.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2010.10.27 12:30:00 -
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Break the jump bridges entirely. Cynos and jump drives can go too.
I miss good old-fashioned freighter-run logistics trips through 0.0.
Jump clones.... those also should go.
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Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2010.10.27 13:03:00 -
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/not supported
I like jump bridges, they are already ridiculous expensive with the new sov costs and often out of fuel, without being able to refuel to most users. There is no need to limit the freedom of using them.
Instead make the universe bigger, we need more systems.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.27 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aphrodite Skripalle /not supported
I like jump bridges, they are already ridiculous expensive with the new sov costs and often out of fuel, without being able to refuel to most users. There is no need to limit the freedom of using them.
Instead make the universe bigger, we need more systems.
more systems wouldnt help much if you can just curb stomp as easily as you can do atm, because you can still cut down 50-60jumps trips to 4-5 (jump) bridges.
thats one of the reason why wormhole space isnt connected via gates or that you cant cyno jump to it. to prevent the blob just to run over you and then jump home again. taking a wh space setup requires a bit more effort and planning.
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Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:15:00 -
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With bigger i mean BIGGER. So big that even you cant reach all places with a few jump. Check the real universe THIS is REALLY BIG. Eve universe is pathetic small.
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Minigin
Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.10.28 04:02:00 -
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i dont think anyone is suggesting that we make eve slower, just make it slower for enourmous numbers to move places far away.
. THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.28 08:53:00 -
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What a surprise, yet again you're unable to deal with a basic game mechanic, and CCP must save you.
Here's a suggestion... if there's a jump bridge network that's letting your enemies run rings around you? (funny that the people who are complaining are always those who can't get their own network set up or enough allies to make a large one work) Why don't you try shooting it? I know, revolutionary concept, but your enemy's JB network can be, get this, incapacitated. I know, those POS modules are, strangely enough, able to be shot at. And they're not magic and invulnerable. Who'd a thunk it?
And, naturally, a large force of allied groups that wants to move a lot of people somewhere can't possibly use titans and cynos. Or maybe they can, but CCP should probably save you from that, too.
Any other valid game mechanics giving you problems? I heard that CCP is even thinking about adding something to the game called "jump clones" so that an entire enemy force could simply jump clone over to where they want to be. Yes, even across the entire map! We need to stop them before they do that as it will, obviously, totally ruin EVE.
Keep up the good work, and post in a brighter green if you can. All the most compelling arguments either use bright colors or, if they're a good argument, all caps. If they're really a good argument, they can use all caps and bold, at the same time. Perhaps you can raise your game to the level where you post in all caps, bolded, underlined, bright colors. Then the only thing left for you to do would be to add italics, and your arguments would be unbeatable!
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.28 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 28/10/2010 09:42:18
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Keep up the good work, and post in a brighter green if you can. All the most compelling arguments either use bright colors or, if they're a good argument, all caps. If they're really a good argument, they can use all caps and bold, at the same time. Perhaps you can raise your game to the level where you post in all caps, bolded, underlined, bright colors. Then the only thing left for you to do would be to add italics, and your arguments would be unbeatable!
YOU CREATED A MONSTER!
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.28 09:56:00 -
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I wasn't going to agree with you, and I really don't want to... but I see that text and I just can't help myself. ------------------------------------------------
Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain! |
corps collector
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Posted - 2010.10.28 13:04:00 -
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Assuming that lag is currently CCP biggest problem I would have thought that they already would have changed jump bridges.
As stated earlier the simple solutions are: -jump bridges only allow alliance members to jump -make it so only (10-15) activation are allowed per minute this should reduce load on the server - give a negative effect for those ships jumping through over the activation allotment such as inability to lock, jump through bridges, or warp for 5-10 minutes
Large coalition gangs should be moved by titans not via jump bridges
Hopefully changes in jump bridges will increase gate travel which will allow for servers to better cope with large gangs.
Save a jump bridge ride a gate, ♥Corps
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Minigin
Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.10.28 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Minigin on 28/10/2010 13:26:21
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero What a surprise, yet again you're unable to deal with a basic game mechanic, and CCP must save you.
Here's a suggestion... if there's a jump bridge network that's letting your enemies run rings around you? (funny that the people who are complaining are always those who can't get their own network set up or enough allies to make a large one work) Why don't you try shooting it? I know, revolutionary concept, but your enemy's JB network can be, get this, incapacitated. I know, those POS modules are, strangely enough, able to be shot at. And they're not magic and invulnerable. Who'd a thunk it?
And, naturally, a large force of allied groups that wants to move a lot of people somewhere can't possibly use titans and cynos. Or maybe they can, but CCP should probably save you from that, too.
Any other valid game mechanics giving you problems? I heard that CCP is even thinking about adding something to the game called "jump clones" so that an entire enemy force could simply jump clone over to where they want to be. Yes, even across the entire map! We need to stop them before they do that as it will, obviously, totally ruin EVE.
Keep up the good work, and post in a brighter green if you can. All the most compelling arguments either use bright colors or, if they're a good argument, all caps. If they're really a good argument, they can use all caps and bold, at the same time. Perhaps you can raise your game to the level where you post in all caps, bolded, underlined, bright colors. Then the only thing left for you to do would be to add italics, and your arguments would be unbeatable!
is it a surprise to anyone the tickers of the people claiming its perfectly valid to be able to move 1000 guys accross half of eve in 10 mins?
and if you have read the other thread, people have already suggested and i agree with titan bridges only being alliance use also.
please explain to me what is so unreasonable about this proposal? why cant it be up to the alliance you reside in to arange its own transport?
why should this exist? http://map.hirr.net/northernjb.jpg . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.28 16:01:00 -
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No, seriously, everybody else who wants to deal with an enemy JB network (and is competent) can shoot them. But you need CCP to rescue you (because you are just so damn awesome, of course).
And total unexpcted from a troll such as yourself, we've got some ad homnem fallacies amidst the whiny for CCP to save you.
While, meanwhile, everybody else who wants an enemy JB network shut down will, ya know, form up a fleet rather than forum warrioring and begging CCP to save them from anybody who can hold space or (gasp!) cooperate with their neighbors. ------------------------------------------------
Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain! |
Minigin
Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.10.28 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: FinnAgain Zero No, seriously, everybody else who wants to deal with an enemy JB network (and is competent) can shoot them. But you need CCP to rescue you (because you are just so damn awesome, of course).
And total unexpcted from a troll such as yourself, we've got some ad homnem fallacies amidst the whiny for CCP to save you.
While, meanwhile, everybody else who wants an enemy JB network shut down will, ya know, form up a fleet rather than forum warrioring and begging CCP to save them from anybody who can hold space or (gasp!) cooperate with their neighbors.
its a good thing that jbs are 1. not on heavily defended posses - no wait 2. not enabeling massive and fast responce times to any attack on them - no wait 3. when shot actually die - no wait 4. not ridiculously easy to repair - no wait 5. not cheep enough to have hundreds friggin everywhere so that killing a few of them isnt that much of a problem - no wait
explain to me, why you think it is unreasonable that the benefits you derive from holding space should be directly proportionate to the amount of space you actually hold and i might consider your argument not a mear "please dont change this i really like exploiting it" . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.28 17:44:00 -
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Yet again your argument is about how powerless you say you are and how much you ned CCP to save you.
You can't incap mods, you can't reinforce towers, you can't kill your enemies when they try to rep things. You certainly can not deny your enemy sov. And gosh darn you just cannot understand why an alliance or coalition that owns more space should be able to use more space and, of course, jump bridges are an exploit too. ------------------------------------------------
Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain! |
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.10.28 17:50:00 -
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If you remove jump bridges, you'll have to redesign sov again as defending space is heavily dependent on being able to use jump bridges.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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devilsspawn
Minmatar The Makhai
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Posted - 2010.10.28 18:20:00 -
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/me grabs popcorn
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Minigin
Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.10.28 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 28/10/2010 18:26:41 Yet again your argument is about how powerless you say you are and how much you need CCP to save you.
You can't incap mods, you can't reinforce towers, you can't kill your enemies when they try to rep things. You definitely can't destroy those JB towers. You certainly can not deny your enemy sov. And gosh darn you just cannot understand why an alliance or coalition that owns more space should be able to use more space and, of course, jump bridges are an exploit too.
i am asking you a very simple question which you have smokescreened.
why should razor alliance be able to use morsus mihis jumpbridges?
are you aware you cant use their cynogens? . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.28 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 28/10/2010 18:51:50 Basic lesson in logic: burden of proof. Other than whining about how impotent you are to fight enemies who has POS'S and deal who enemy POS'S (so CCP has to save you) you haven't shown a reason why people shouldn't be able to use friendly JB's/titans. I don't have to show why the entire system of sovereignty/bridges/cybo hammers/beacons/titans doesn't need a radical overhaul.
And yet more whining and trolling about how, in an MMO of all places (gasp!) people can work together and if more people oppose you than work with you, it's just not faaaaaair! (also "ayieeeee, blob blobby mcblobbersob!!!") ------------------------------------------------
Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain! |
Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.10.28 18:55:00 -
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Just for the record RAWR is burning between 10 and 15 billions in LO exclusively on JBs every month (proly more cause we cant keep the track of everyone refueling them). Also we are not maybe the best example cause good portion of north is using our JB network, but maintaining JB network is far from cheap.
I must admit I wouldnt mind balancing them in one way or another, but Minigin is funny when he is buthurt.
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Minigin
Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.10.28 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 28/10/2010 18:51:50 Basic lesson in logic: burden of proof. Other than whining about how impotent you are to fight enemies who has POS'S and deal who enemy POS'S (so CCP has to save you) you haven't shown a reason why people shouldn't be able to use friendly JB's/titans. I don't have to show why the entire system of sovereignty/bridges/cybo hammers/beacons/titans doesn't need a radical overhaul.
And yet more whining and trolling about how, in an MMO of all places (gasp!) people can work together and if more people oppose you than work with you, it's just not faaaaaair! (also "ayieeeee, blob blobby mcblobbersob!!!")
but infact... we have... and you have not come up with a counter argument. you have just ranted about trolling / limegreen / caod.
ill go through it again with you.
1. IT IS TOO EASY TO MOVE EXTREMELY LARGE NUMBERS THROUGH VAST REGIONS OF SPACE (THIS ALLOWS FOR STAGNATION OF 0.0 SPACE AND LARGELY BORING CONFLICTS) 2. BENEFITS DERIVED FROM HOLDING SPACE / OWNING TITANS SHOULD BE DIRECTLY PROPORTIONATE TO WHAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE! 3. IF YOU WANT TO BE IN A MEGA-ALLIANCE WITH JUMPBRIDGES OVER HALF OF EVE YOU SHOULD BE IN THE SAME ALLIANCE AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS WITH FORMING A SUPER-ALLIANCE
i put it all in caps and underlined/bolded important bits so you dont miss it this time. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
Minigin
Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.10.28 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau Just for the record RAWR is burning between 10 and 15 billions in LO exclusively on JBs every month (proly more cause we cant keep the track of everyone refueling them). Also we are not maybe the best example cause good portion of north is using our JB network, but maintaining JB network is far from cheap.
I must admit I wouldnt mind balancing them in one way or another, but Minigin is funny when he is buthurt.
what way would you balance them? and does this mean they are imbalanced in your eyes? . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.28 20:02:00 -
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Man, mini, you really suck at logical augments. None of those support the burden of proof.
Your fist claim is mere subjective opinion. "Too fast", according to which objective metric, exactly? Your argument is circular: JB's are bad because you feel that the make travel "too fast" and them making travel "too fast" makes them bad. Plus, of course, you insist that you are too impotent to counter them so CCP has to save you.
Your second point is short bus level dumb. The more space people hold, the more they can use and yet you're still whining about how instead it should be that the more space someone holds, the more they can use.
Your third point isn't even a cogent argument, just petulant whining. Alliances shouldn't be able to cooperate and share bridges because you say so and waaah waaah and you are powerless and ZOMG please won't CCP save you and blah blah. Plus added nonsense about how something essential is lost if CCP doesn't remedy your impotence and it's other people who want EVE on easy mode (ya know, the folks who actually fight over and destroy POS's an remove sob), and not you who is impotent to forbids things and needs Mommy CCP to fix it. And the war in the drone regions has bee quite interesting. It's a good thing that CCP wouldn't let them anchor any JB's or it would be really stagnant. We sure dodged a bullet there. Just like how sov 4 was unbeatable... Until someone beat it.
And I keep talking about how you're trolling, CAOD style crap posting and using pretty colored text like a child because, well, you won't stop any of the three.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.28 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau Just for the record RAWR is burning between 10 and 15 billions in LO exclusively on JBs every month (proly more cause we cant keep the track of everyone refueling them). Also we are not maybe the best example cause good portion of north is using our JB network, but maintaining JB network is far from cheap.
I must admit I wouldnt mind balancing them in one way or another, but Minigin is funny when he is buthurt.
so only 2-3 tech moons? i feel really sorry for you with all those highends and techmoons you got, you might run out of money soon.
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Minigin
eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.10.28 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 28/10/2010 20:17:07 Man, mini, you really suck at logical augments. None of those support the burden of proof.
Your fist claim is mere subjective opinion. "Too fast", according to which objective metric, exactly? Your argument is circular: JB's are bad because you feel that the make travel "too fast" and them making travel "too fast" makes them bad. Plus, of course, you insist that you are too impotent to counter them so CCP has to save you.
Your second point is short bus level dumb. The more space people hold, the more they can use and yet you're still whining about how instead it should be that the more space someone holds, the more they can use.
Your third point isn't even a cogent argument, just petulant whining. Alliances shouldn't be able to cooperate o fix it. ov 4 was unbeatable... Until someone beat it.
And I keep talking about how you're trolling, CAOD style crap posting and using pretty colored text like a child because, well, you won't stop any of the three.
1. it is too fast, i think even vuk is about to agree there that traveling through such large areas of space so quickly with such large numbers makes little sense and makes this game far more easy for large entities. (note that it wouldnt stop being easier for these entities than smaller entites should jbs be drawn back) just not SO much easier.
2. your alliance doesnt hold all the north. your alliance holds slabs of tenal, yet you are able to jumpbridge all over the north via "blue alliances" jumpbridges. i would argue that this shouldnt be the case because you incur none of the costs / risks. eg. should someone want to wardec an alliance so to block your supply routes or whatever, using alts and whatever with blue standings has in the past hindered the effectiveness of such wars.
by limiting jb use to alliances only, you are forced to make a tough choice (one i believe to be fair) you can gain the benefits of being in an alliance with jbs but also will incur the not so blissful side of things. the problem with people like you is you believe (and atm rightly so) that you can have everything and will never need to make a difficult choice. but why is this the case? eve is not a fluffy peaceful empire where there is only consentual pvp (or in this case... only pvp when YOU dictate it).
there is absolutely nothing unreasonable with any of this.
also i dont think you understand quite what "burden of proof" means. it is actually a legal term and the burden of proof doesnt reside with the person you decide, it is usualy decided by either legislation or something like a high court.
as you are neither (but might believe yourself to be) and as i have given ample justification for this to be looked into. it really now comes down to why you should be able to use another alliances jumpbridge UNLIKE THEIR CYNOGENS, and simply saying "why not" is a really stupid answer.
the fact that in none of your replys thus far have you been able to avoid rambling in such a way as "ZOMG please won't CCP save you and blah blah" proves imo that you have no interest in actually arguing reasonably, but rather in dumping as many words into a thread with the intention of shouting down a legitimate idea that is contrary to what you believe would be in YOUR best interests.
let me predict how your next post will end (should you chose to make it)"you are a child, you type in green, this isnt caod."
grow up. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
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