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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:05:00 -
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This has been suggested in another thread but i think it warrants its own discussion.
Making LP's by corp would address numerous issues:
- No Spamming of mails from old agents you used from same corp
- Helps newer players have the incentive to change to a higher ql agent instead of getting lp's with a lower ql agent
- It simply makes more sense.
Hope somebody "high-up" notices this and ay least considers it because imo its an ace idea. ---------------
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Youngblood Priest
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Amthrianius
No Spamming of mails from old agents you used from same corp
That's reason enough for me. It sucks when you are faction grinding and bounce around to better agents as you are moving up the food chain. I had a lot of spam in my inbox when I logged in today. Five crappy offers.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:51:00 -
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Yeah I feel sorry for the poor noobs. Not only do they have to work much harder to get faction increase, they will also get spammed by all those agents they might have only done a few days work for. --------------------------------------------------
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.01.07 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 07/01/2005 04:08:45 I don't do agent missions so I should probably be quiet, but still :
No Spamming of mails from old agents you used from same corp
Wouldn't that be easier to take care of by only allowing 1 evemail from an agent, and no more evemails until you have personally visited that agent and accepted a mission the agent might want to give you?
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Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2005.01.07 06:02:00 -
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yup good idea...
to get rid of agents i have done work for and have one or two crappy offers I took em till there was no LP's left.
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Mira Spellholde
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Posted - 2005.01.07 06:50:00 -
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Good idea since then you wont have to restart getting LP's whe you use a new/better agent.....but I see in the near future a GM/DEV replying with a big fat "No" -----------------
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Chrome Born
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:31:00 -
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Great idea, would rather they sort out the mess with the important/stroyline missions firts though ;)
Chrome Born.
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Skumy
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:39:00 -
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Edited by: Skumy on 07/01/2005 08:40:32 LP offers based on the corporation ? SIGNED RIGHT AWAY :)
I'm still being spammed by an old lvl 1 agent I worked for to get some fun in a noob ship some time ago. I got 80 LP from her and she keeps spamming me with an offer for 80k ISK... that sucks a lot.
Please CCP, consider amthrianius's idea.
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FZappa
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:13:00 -
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not sure its a good idea , i got over a dozen agents with certain amounts of LPs to get the special mission items from . LPs by corp will seriously reduce the influx of these already impossible to find items into the market. -------------------------
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pix101
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: FZappa not sure its a good idea , i got over a dozen agents with certain amounts of LPs to get the special mission items from . LPs by corp will seriously reduce the influx of these already impossible to find items into the market.
And thats where the supermarket comes into picture. An already suggested layout on this whould be to have the LP's gathered by corp and then at any station owned by that corp you should be able to trade your LP's in for whatever items you'd like, just like coupons.
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Cissy
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:48:00 -
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dont like the idear..but then again i work for a selective few agent..you get lp to a person not a corp
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Daolin
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Posted - 2005.01.07 10:41:00 -
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That's a catastrophically bad idea
I know most of those who signed are probably hoarding LP for the faction battleships , but anyone who has actively tried to actually complete some specific offers knows that you need to run multipe agents simultaneously, and keep them at different fixed levels of LP.
Take +3 implants for example:
The implant offer itself requires 10.000 LP. That means if you want an implant, and reach that amount of LP with your agent, you need to stop doing missions for that agent, and switch to another.
Furthermore, for a +3 implant you need 500 high-tech goods. 125 high-tech goods are available for 2500 LP, so you need at least four more agents, which you raise to exactly 2500 LP.
I'm currently juggling 7 different agents. I already have received two +3 implants and a faction frig, so I dare to say that I'm somewhat successful But if LP were collected corp wise that wouldn't have been as easy. While I have enough faction standings that I could in theory have each agent from a different corp, it is hugely convenient that I can have different agents from the same corp, who are often located in the same solar system or even the same station.
Are those few offer emails (which can easily be ignored) so terrible that you need to turn the whole LP system upside down?
I agree that there could be an option to have agents stop sending mails if you don't visit them, or better, tell the agent that you don't want any more offers from him which forfeits the LP you have with him, but please let the LP stay per agent.
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pix101
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Posted - 2005.01.07 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: pix101 on 07/01/2005 11:19:08
I'm glad for your progress Daolin, but honestly.. Do you think what you just described here ie. running missions for 7 agents simultanously, and to stop running for any of them after having reached a specific amount of LP, really makes sense?
What is meant by the supermarket thingy is that, lets say you've earned 8000LP with a certain corp that has got high-tech data chips in their LP-table(?). That would make it possible for you to cash in 7500LP for 375 chips (since 2500LP equals to 125 chips). That would also leave you with 500LP to start saving for something else, if you cannot find anything you'd like to exchange those 500LP's for that would be.
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Daolin
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Posted - 2005.01.07 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Daolin on 07/01/2005 11:25:21
Originally by: pix101 Edited by: pix101 on 07/01/2005 11:16:55
I'm glad for your progress Daolin, but honestly.. Do you think what you just described here ie. running missions for 7 agents simultanously, and to stop running for any of them after having reached a specific amount of LP, really makes sense?
What is meant by the supermarket thingy is that, lets say you've earned 8000LP with a certain corp that has got high-tech data chips in their LP-table(?). That would make it possible for you to cash in 7500LP for 375 transmitters (since 2500LP equals to 125 chips). That would also leave you with 500LP to start saving for something else, if you cannot find anything you'd like to exchange those 500LP's for that would be.
That would work, but it would take much from the rarity value of many offers, since everyone can just pick the "cool" offers he wants. And it would completely destroy the player market for rare trade goods. I'm aware that not everyone wants to run many agents at the same time, but that creates a profit opportunity for players who get these rare trade goods from low end offers, and sell them to those who need them for high end offers.
Unfortunately, CCP has botched that opportunity for the moment by forgetting to put most of these goods on the market, but I'm looking forward to the time when it is fixed, and I believe it will be a great addition to the game.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.01.07 11:49:00 -
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This would indeed be a welcome feature.
A "Credit bank" as you were, for the corportation you are doing missions for.
Not sure how it would work, with multiple agents.
Would they all have to give offers based on your overall LP?
In a sense, that would mean you could do one mission with a ton of different agents and all of them would be giving you offers based on your LP, and you could pick and choose what you accept.
Not sure if I like the idea of that.
I would reccomend if you were to lump LP from other agents into a pool, you would have to select an agent as your "Primary", and all offers would have to come through them.
The problem this makes is folks doing Research agents, who have 4-5 agents working at the same time...
This is indeed a large can of worms to open up IMO..
But if it could be done in a manner which would not harm or unbalance agent offers I would say go for it.
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Stregone
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Posted - 2005.01.07 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Daolin Edited by: Daolin on 07/01/2005 11:25:21
Originally by: pix101 Edited by: pix101 on 07/01/2005 11:16:55
I'm glad for your progress Daolin, but honestly.. Do you think what you just described here ie. running missions for 7 agents simultanously, and to stop running for any of them after having reached a specific amount of LP, really makes sense?
What is meant by the supermarket thingy is that, lets say you've earned 8000LP with a certain corp that has got high-tech data chips in their LP-table(?). That would make it possible for you to cash in 7500LP for 375 transmitters (since 2500LP equals to 125 chips). That would also leave you with 500LP to start saving for something else, if you cannot find anything you'd like to exchange those 500LP's for that would be.
That would work, but it would take much from the rarity value of many offers, since everyone can just pick the "cool" offers he wants. And it would completely destroy the player market for rare trade goods. I'm aware that not everyone wants to run many agents at the same time, but that creates a profit opportunity for players who get these rare trade goods from low end offers, and sell them to those who need them for high end offers.
Unfortunately, CCP has botched that opportunity for the moment by forgetting to put most of these goods on the market, but I'm looking forward to the time when it is fixed, and I believe it will be a great addition to the game.
Isn't that exactly what you are doing? Picking which offer you want?
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Daolin
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Posted - 2005.01.07 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Stregone Isn't that exactly what you are doing? Picking which offer you want?
No. Even if I have my LP at exactly the right level, my chance to get a particular offer (like a particular implant, or a certain type of high-tech item) is only 1:10. With 1-7 days between offers, I could have to wait weeks or even months. If I don't want to wait that long, I can instead accept the first suitable offer I get, and then trade with others for the items I want or need.
The current system has room for many different playstyles, and encourages interaction between players.
Yes, there are problems - too high additional requirements for offers, some hard or impossible to get, missing items on market, inability to smuggle contraband effectively - but these are balance issues, not problems with the offer system itself.
The proposed changes with LP collected per corp, and corp warehouses, would mean major changes in the agent offer system, and entail lots of consequences the signees probably didn't think about. And if the cause for these proposed changes is such a small one - a few mails from old agents - changes this big are simply unnecessary.
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Sherkaner
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Posted - 2005.01.07 14:05:00 -
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*spam removed*
This is a discussion thread, please post constructively
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Tobiron
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Posted - 2005.01.07 14:07:00 -
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At first I was going to sign this but after reading the agent farming threads I'm inclined to stick with things as they are. In most cases I can stop the spamming by just accepting the LP offers for whatever rubbish I'm being offered. But it is difficult to accept an offer that's about 4LP plus Frentix for a Civ Shield booster in a system far away or in 0.0 space. Perhaps you could just cash in LPs for ISK up to a small value say 50LPs? tht |
Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.01.07 14:19:00 -
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The cause is not only the agent spam.
See, the point is, those rare trade goods are hard to come by. I dunno about you, but I can't control how many LP's I get. I get around 2000 per mission, so 2500 is impossible to get for me as is 12500. 12K still offers me a ridiculous trade of my Taranis + sciene graduates vs his Helios. One mission more would put me in the 'my Ares blueprint vs your gazillion rare trade goods' area.
See the problem? Even if I *wanted* to, I still can't get these high quality stuff and since the market still misses half of them they're pretty much unattainable.
While you're probably right that offers shouldn't be something you can complete easily on your own, I do think the non-LP addidtions are pretty much ridiculous. I just read over that +5 implant offer in the offer thread. Aside from !! 450.000 !! LP's, you ALSO need a couple of hundreds of millions worth in market buyable trade goods and then a gazillion rare trade goods. I'm all for making faction battleships rare. I don't think creating uncompletable offers is the way to do it. Heck, if those 100+K point offers were somewhat completable, we might actually cash 'em in instead of saving up to even higher levels.
These goods should definately be easier to get. I suggested in the forum that no one ever reads that more of these high quality trade good offers were added to bigger area's of LP values. Like, 1000 ukomi superconductors for, say 25K Lp's. So instead of only getting them when you're at 1249-1251 LP's, you'd actually get them offered at 14K still.
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Taipan Stark
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Posted - 2005.01.07 15:52:00 -
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Daolin, I have to agree with Pix101 and Shayla here. What you are doing with the multiple agents is just a workaround for a botched system design. I cant believe CCP intended players from the begining to end up doing what you are doing.
Agents and LP's are messed up in several ways as has been described in various threads. Mail spam is just one of them, plus i cant get rid of a persistent offer for 70 LP where illegal contraband is needed, so had to waste an hour of my valuable playtime to get that silly old level 1 agent 8 jumps away up to 100 LP or so, hoping to get an offer later on from him that I can actully accept just to shut him up.
I am all for the corp-based LP's and supermarket idea.
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Oberon Oblique
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Posted - 2005.01.07 16:10:00 -
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ok, here we go.
1) LP's do need to be corp based.
2) There should be the "basic" offers that you can "shop for" at any time. Also you would be able to see what you need to save up for and what items you can get from the specific corp.
3) There should be "special" offers that are rare and may even require a mission or series of missions to qulify for. These would have a chance to come to you based on the total LP's you have for the corp vs the offer. Once you get a "special" offer it is added to your "shopping" list for good.
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Raven Dru
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Posted - 2005.01.10 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Oberon Oblique ok, here we go.
1) LP's do need to be corp based.
2) There should be the "basic" offers that you can "shop for" at any time. Also you would be able to see what you need to save up for and what items you can get from the specific corp.
3) There should be "special" offers that are rare and may even require a mission or series of missions to qulify for. These would have a chance to come to you based on the total LP's you have for the corp vs the offer. Once you get a "special" offer it is added to your "shopping" list for good.
Give this man a +10 implant or a job on CCP's mission creation council thingumy watsit.
Bloody simple and bloody brilliant.
But yes please make LP'S corp based instead of agent based. As for the useless offers... i say give it time. Its new, its messed up, CCP have said their gonna fix it SOONÖ. If ya dont like it, go mine, go hunt, go build a POS. Theres a whole lot more to eve than just agents.
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TotensBurntCorpse
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Posted - 2005.01.10 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: TotensBurntCorpse on 10/01/2005 20:36:15 I have been blowing my brains out running up lai dai status and kalakiota and ishukone for yes u guessed it research agents. Right now i have about 90 agents i have used (other corps in there too such as caldari steel) such that i get offers all the time. BUT it is very aggrivating to see some agents with <500 lp offering me toilette paper, and others with >10,000 offering money for drug shipments.
It would be very nice to have the corp bank the LPs rather than the agents. I dont really care which agent offers to me (heck it may even add to the corp flavour to have any agents for the corp make the offers), but atleast let me pool the spattering of LPs thru that corp so I get something for all the agony I have gone thru. I thought LPs were to the CORP not the AGENT, seems to me they are too the agent. But this payment scheme only benefits those who forgo using other types of agents and at other locations. BORING TEDIUM i think will result.
Not all of us have the experience base to have been using the same level 4 kill mission agent for one corp since shiva. As such we have LPs with agents we will never use again all over the place and stupid toilette paper offers comming from them to burn the banked points.
Can CCP patch this to make LPs for the intended purpose??? ie loyalty to the CORP not the AGENT.
I can and do use storage, research, internal security, manufaturing etc types of agents, why? well for the change. Kill missions get rather well repetitive, take mission, kill bad guys, get paid, rinse and repeat sigh. TotensBurntCorpse Likes EVE, Starfleet Command Series, Earth & Beyond, Anything Battlefield, MOHAA, Call of Duty.
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Hirakii Garishu
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Posted - 2005.01.26 00:16:00 -
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omg, we need this now, and give us an option for which agents go on the agent of interest list, its so annoying having to scroll down the list to get the agent of the station youre at if you have alot of agents of interest
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Goofman
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Posted - 2005.01.26 10:35:00 -
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i know it's possible to delete an agent out of your P&P ^^does that shut him up?? I don't care if i loose LPs cause it's really annoying to get offers for 50LPs... And u could still keep those agents u have a lot off LPs at :)
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Fto Cruise
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Posted - 2005.01.26 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cissy dont like the idear..but then again i work for a selective few agent..you get lp to a person not a corp
By that same reasoning, you should only want standing to increase with the agent you use and not for the corp as a whole. That makes no sense whatsoever, and neither does refusing the original poster's idea.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2005.01.26 12:29:00 -
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I disagree with the idea.
Personally, I want to see more difference between individual agents. Currently, there is little reason to use any agent other than the highest quality agent in the corp/division you want. LP offers is a great opportunity to work on this and add another dimension to mission running.
Sure the system isn't perfect atm, but I would rather see it having more features added than reducing it to just another form of isk.
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Sherkaner
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Posted - 2005.01.26 12:41:00 -
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Spamming and bumping removed.
Please only reply to a thread if you have anything constructive to add. Thanks
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2005.01.26 14:51:00 -
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Can we get a Dev Response... cause this needs happen...and the other "idea"...of Agent "normal" and "special" offers...
KISS (keep it simple stupid)
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