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Disembodied Torso
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Posted - 2010.10.31 02:23:00 -
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Problem: Too many people are degrading these great forums by using numerous characters to post in the same thread, skewing arguments or having Devil's Advocate debates with themselves, much to the chagrin of other participants in the debate. It's nonconstructive and in recent years has become more than just a quaint idiosyncrasy practiced by certain Eve e-celebrities.
Solution: Remove the ability to post with more than one character on an account in a single thread.
To wit: I post this proposal thread with this character, a faceless alt I've just created. I could then use two other characters on this same account to support the idea or create drama. Like a lot of players, I have two accounts. I could theoretically then load this argument by using 6 characters to post supportive arguments, skewing everything.
If this proposal were enacted I would have the amount of sockpuppet posting available to me reduced by 67%, promoting by necessity more thoughtful responses to whatever it is I am talking about.
TL;DR: You should be able to post with your main, or post with an alt - but not both in the same thread from one account. Quality ^, crap, quantity v.
Thank you.
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.10.31 06:59:00 -
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People who don't post with their mains need to grow a pair anyway
Quote: Lord Makk > Be warned, Lykouleon is akin to the love-child of a Goon and a Maru'Kage, with just a touch of Butter Dog for bitterness
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Rhok Relztem
CGMA Synergist Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.31 09:53:00 -
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+1
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.31 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lykouleon People who don't post with their mains need to grow a pair anyway
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.31 10:23:00 -
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Supported, limiting a thread to a single response from a 'character' on any account makes sense and doesn't hurt anyone by suppressing their options to make themselves heard.
Only possible issues are people who mistakenly post as a character they didn't intend to and 'out' themselves but such things can happen regardless of a requirement like this. If a person is using alts to mask their identity they should put forth the effort to choose the correct one for whatever argument/post/idea/etc they intend to submit.
--Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.-- |
Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.31 11:27:00 -
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Your Main Post With It
+1 for 1 per thread.
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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JcJet
Pretenders Inc Tower of Dark Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.31 13:23:00 -
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+1 but anyway, there is not much people with just one account... ---
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Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.10.31 15:19:00 -
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--- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Arkanor
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2010.10.31 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: JcJet +1 but anyway, there is not much people with just one account...
I have one account, two characters on it are my "mains" in different respects...
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Barney Killer
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Posted - 2010.10.31 19:12:00 -
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As an alt, I support this message |
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Fournone
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Posted - 2010.10.31 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lykouleon People who don't post with their mains need to grow a pair anyway
QFT
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Double Dee
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.31 21:48:00 -
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ahh, this fail thread again. always some bitter person who was too thin skinned and was made fun of by someones alt. grow up people.
/not supported.
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PC l0adletter
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Posted - 2010.10.31 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Double Dee ahh, this fail thread again. always some bitter person who was too thin skinned and was made fun of by someones alt. grow up people.
/not supported.
If Cromo Effect is against it, then it must be a good idea.
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Missus Malaprop
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Posted - 2010.10.31 22:01:00 -
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Sounds Reasonable.
Poasting w/ alt.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.01 00:58:00 -
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It won't fix anything.
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Caila Solarstorm
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.11.01 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Caila Solarstorm on 01/11/2010 04:24:24
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik It won't fix anything.
As a same account hauler Alt of Alara I aprove this message!
Seriously anything will help at this point, this should not be allowed. but here I am re-supporting a cause!
-- I fly Rifters and tackle people! |
Xorv
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Posted - 2010.11.01 08:13:00 -
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Pointless Idea without some way of also preventing people doing the same thing over multiple accounts.
Besides in serious discussions, rare they may be here, reasoned good arguments remain reasoned good arguments whether posted by a "main" or an "alt", and posting for or against such an argument with a dozen alts doesn't change a good argument to a bad one, or a bad one to a good one.
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BloodySpade
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.01 10:27:00 -
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+1
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Selinate
Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.01 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Selinate on 01/11/2010 14:41:23
Well, the forums are already crap because of the people who post in them. I don't see how this would hurt (it can only get better from here), so I support it.
Only, make sure that you only implement this in sections of the forum that have debates. I.E. leave character bazaar, recruitment, etc. open to alts also.
EDIT: I would also make it so that anyone who posts off topic or something that doesn't add anything to the discussion at all (i.e. a random "this is a pointless thread" or "this is in the wrong section" and simply ending with that) should be deleted, and the account be warned.
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Mashie Saldana
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.11.01 16:56:00 -
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Just limit it so only the char with most SP on the account can post, alt posting fixed.
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Sepheir Sepheron
Legion..
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Posted - 2010.11.01 17:04:00 -
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.11.01 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana Just limit it so only the char with most SP on the account can post, alt posting fixed.
So for example if Verone got a character on his account with more sp than him, Verone would never be able to post on the eve-o forums again? More sp does not equate to main character.
As I always say with this argument, if I can use an alt ingame to spy/scout/steal/scam (the four S's of great justice) then I should be able to use an alt to post as well. Either get rid of all alts or allow them all, getting emo over an alt that got you riled up on the eve-o forums is pathetic. HTFU. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.11.01 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Disembodied Torso Problem: Too many people are degrading these great forums by using numerous characters to post in the same thread, skewing arguments or having Devil's Advocate debates with themselves, much to the chagrin of other participants in the debate. It's nonconstructive and in recent years has become more than just a quaint idiosyncrasy practiced by certain Eve e-celebrities.
Solution: Remove the ability to post with more than one character on an account in a single thread.
To wit: I post this proposal thread with this character, a faceless alt I've just created. I could then use two other characters on this same account to support the idea or create drama. Like a lot of players, I have two accounts. I could theoretically then load this argument by using 6 characters to post supportive arguments, skewing everything.
If this proposal were enacted I would have the amount of sockpuppet posting available to me reduced by 67%, promoting by necessity more thoughtful responses to whatever it is I am talking about.
TL;DR: You should be able to post with your main, or post with an alt - but not both in the same thread from one account. Quality ^, crap, quantity v.
Thank you.
People should read the proposal it isn't about forcing the use of a main character by SP or age or anything it is about limiting responses to a THREAD to ONE character per account, FFS there is Even a TLDR version.
You want to force 'mains' to post make your own proposal and I will gladly rant at you with how you are wrong and ignorant of why people don't want to be forced to do that.
--Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.-- |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.11.01 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Bhattran People should read the proposal it isn't about forcing the use of a main character by SP or age or anything it is about limiting responses to a THREAD to ONE character per account, FFS there is Even a TLDR version.
I'm just pushing it to the limit to show what a stupid idea this is.
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Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.01 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I'm just pushing it to the limit to show what a stupid person I am.
fixed.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.11.01 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana I'm just pushing it to the limit to show what a stupid idea this is.
So you are taking an idea you don't like and suggesting things you or the OP and no one else in thread wants to show that ????.
If you don't agree with the idea tell people why instead of coming up with magical not suggested scenario to show how a different idea that has nothing to do with this will not work.
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Leksi Bar'zuk
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Posted - 2010.11.01 22:58:00 -
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I've got six accounts to troll from, so sure, go for it.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.01 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
EDIT: I would also make it so that anyone who posts off topic or something that doesn't add anything to the discussion at all (i.e. a random "this is a pointless thread" or "this is in the wrong section" and simply ending with that) should be deleted, and the account be warned.
Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I'm just pushing it to the limit to show what a stupid person I am.
fixed.
The irony that exudes from you is so strong you could bottle it. --Vel
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Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.02 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Selinate
EDIT: I would also make it so that anyone who posts off topic or something that doesn't add anything to the discussion at all (i.e. a random "this is a pointless thread" or "this is in the wrong section" and simply ending with that) should be deleted, and the account be warned.
Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I'm just pushing it to the limit to show what a stupid person I am.
fixed.
The irony that exudes from you is so strong you could bottle it.
So if they make it so that that happens, I'll stop posting in reply to off-topic replies. Until they do, I'll keep on havin mah fun....
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Disembodied Torso
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Posted - 2010.11.02 13:02:00 -
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I wonder if I can support my own Proposal?
Thanks for all the support so far. I will clarify something so that my stance is clear as there seems to be some confusion about exactly what I intend with this Proposal.
This Proposal isn't meant to remove someone's ability to troll entirely - it is designed to reduce the amount of trolling done by individuals. The person above who mentions having 6 accounts is a good example of the problem.
At the moment this person can post with 18 characters in a single thread - and probably does - which is just insane.
Something needs to be done about this. My idea is simple, elegant, and has can have no possible opposition apart from that of people who wish to protect their multiple character in-thread trolling.
Please, CCP. Save our forums.
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Dead Jesus
Gallente PeaceMakers.
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Posted - 2010.11.02 15:27:00 -
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This is a repression of Free Speech, people who don't like the arguments of others always revert to censorship, not supported.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.11.02 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dead Jesus This is a repression of Free Speech, people who don't like the arguments of others always revert to censorship, not supported.
Nothing wrong with Arguing, It is to lessen the ammount of people who use alts to pretend to be someone else.
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.11.02 15:32:00 -
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it won't change things a lot, but that's an easy change that will improves things a bit ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Disembodied Torso
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Posted - 2010.11.02 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dead Jesus This is a repression of Free Speech, people who don't like the arguments of others always revert to censorship, not supported.
I'm afraid that you are completely incorrect. This Proposal would in no way limit someone's ability to freely express themselves. If someone has a stance on an issue they should not have an issue with expressing it universally.
Why would anybody post a contradictory argument to themselves or even the same argument with multiple characters in a thread unless it was for trolling or subversive purposes?
There is no good reason not to support this Proposal.
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Dead Jesus
Gallente PeaceMakers.
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Posted - 2010.11.02 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Dead Jesus on 02/11/2010 16:01:14
Originally by: Disembodied Torso
Originally by: Dead Jesus This is a repression of Free Speech, people who don't like the arguments of others always revert to censorship, not supported.
I'm afraid that you are completely incorrect. This Proposal would in no way limit someone's ability to freely express themselves. If someone has a stance on an issue they should not have an issue with expressing it universally.
Why would anybody post a contradictory argument to themselves or even the same argument with multiple characters in a thread unless it was for trolling or subversive purposes?
There is no good reason not to support this Proposal.
You are proposing great limits on peoples ability to express themselves, thats the very nature of your proposal. You surely accept, for instance, that one legitimate and effective way to undermine an argument is to 'subvert' it, derail it, or otherwise reduce to nonsense the 'seriousness' of that arguments supporters. If that is a chosen tactic of some, then I see no reason to impose a 'law' preventing it.
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Baaldor
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.02 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Disembodied Torso
Originally by: Dead Jesus This is a repression of Free Speech, people who don't like the arguments of others always revert to censorship, not supported.
I'm afraid that you are completely incorrect. This Proposal would in no way limit someone's ability to freely express themselves. If someone has a stance on an issue they should not have an issue with expressing it universally.
Why would anybody post a contradictory argument to themselves or even the same argument with multiple characters in a thread unless it was for trolling or subversive purposes?
There is no good reason not to support this Proposal.
Anonymity.
Due to the same reason why we all have an avatar and a made up in game name to post on the forums.
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Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.02 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Baaldor
Anonymity.
Due to the same reason why we all have an avatar and a made up in game name to post on the forums.
only afterwards, u'd still have an avatar and an alias to post on the forums? --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Disembodied Torso
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Posted - 2010.11.02 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dead Jesus Edited by: Dead Jesus on 02/11/2010 16:01:14
Originally by: Disembodied Torso
Originally by: Dead Jesus This is a repression of Free Speech, people who don't like the arguments of others always revert to censorship, not supported.
I'm afraid that you are completely incorrect. This Proposal would in no way limit someone's ability to freely express themselves. If someone has a stance on an issue they should not have an issue with expressing it universally.
Why would anybody post a contradictory argument to themselves or even the same argument with multiple characters in a thread unless it was for trolling or subversive purposes?
There is no good reason not to support this Proposal.
You are proposing great limits on peoples ability to express themselves, thats the very nature of your proposal. You surely accept, for instance, that one legitimate and effective way to undermine an argument is to 'subvert' it, derail it, or otherwise reduce to nonsense the 'seriousness' of that arguments supporters. If that is a chosen tactic of some, then I see no reason to impose a 'law' preventing it.
They would still be perfectly able to express themselves. If they need to use accounts full of sockpuppets to undermine an argument they should not be participating.
Originally by: Baaldor Anonymity.
Due to the same reason why we all have an avatar and a made up in game name to post on the forums.
I cannot conceive of a reasonable situation where you would need to post anonymously in a thread with a character from an account which has a character you've already posted with.
Remember, this Proposal is not about denying anyone anonymity or the ability to troll or alt post - it is about improving the quality of posting while reducing the quantity of posting.
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Baaldor
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.02 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Disembodied Torso
I cannot conceive of a reasonable situation where you would need to post anonymously in a thread with a character from an account which has a character you've already posted with.
Remember, this Proposal is not about denying anyone anonymity or the ability to troll or alt post - it is about improving the quality of posting while reducing the quantity of posting.
Knee jerk much?
Christ it was an observation you tard.
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Disembodied Torso
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Posted - 2010.11.02 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: Disembodied Torso
I cannot conceive of a reasonable situation where you would need to post anonymously in a thread with a character from an account which has a character you've already posted with.
Remember, this Proposal is not about denying anyone anonymity or the ability to troll or alt post - it is about improving the quality of posting while reducing the quantity of posting.
Knee jerk much?
Christ it was an observation you tard.
I was going to ignore your post but decided to address it in case you misunderstood my intentions. I apologize for my selfish and oafish behavior.
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Baaldor
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.02 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Disembodied Torso
Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: Disembodied Torso
I cannot conceive of a reasonable situation where you would need to post anonymously in a thread with a character from an account which has a character you've already posted with.
Remember, this Proposal is not about denying anyone anonymity or the ability to troll or alt post - it is about improving the quality of posting while reducing the quantity of posting.
Knee jerk much?
Christ it was an observation you tard.
I was going to ignore your post but decided to address it in case you misunderstood my intentions. I apologize for my selfish and oafish behavior.
You missed what I did there.....
Anyway getting rid of alts post will not improve the quality. As an example, I post with my main, and it obviously has not improved your "quality" one bit, nor would you ever expect it to.
So to get what you want, you will have to get the forum Nzais (<-- you get who I am reffereing to) involved. And as much as most folk enjoy Gustopo style enforcement of conformity....well you get the idea.
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Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.02 18:28:00 -
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it's funny how threads like this seem to attract the trolls out, who want to keep their anonymity just so they can further screw with people, since the majority doesn't really agree with them.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.11.02 18:41:00 -
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Oh, it's this proposal again...
- There is low correlation between quality of posts and if poster is main or alt, rendering your proposal pointless. - What AH needs are better tools for rating/organizing/filtering proposals, this will enable AH to easily deal with both bad and good posts appropriately.
Personally I post with this alt (actually another main) because I'm mainly active in AH and don't want the proposals to be stigmatized just because I'm in alliance _whatever_, not because I do ****posts. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.02 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx Oh, it's this proposal again...
- There is low correlation between quality of posts and if poster is main or alt, rendering your proposal pointless. - What AH needs are better tools for rating/organizing/filtering proposals, this will enable AH to easily deal with both bad and good posts appropriately.
Personally I post with this alt (actually another main) because I'm mainly active in AH and don't want the proposals to be stigmatized just because I'm in alliance _whatever_, not because I do ****posts.
1. good posts don't need alts. bad posts do to project a better appearance. 2. the mere fact that u acknowledge it's a stigma because of your proposal and on whose behalf u're pushing it through for means that it is good to force ppl to post with their main. 'cause then, we'd all know u're only trying to nerf others and buff yourselves...just like what u're doing now. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.02 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Baaldor
You missed what I did there.....
Anyway getting rid of alts post will not improve the quality. As an example, I post with my main, and it obviously has not improved your "quality" one bit, nor would you ever expect it to.
So to get what you want, you will have to get the forum Nzais (<-- you get who I am reffereing to) involved. And as much as most folk enjoy Gustopo style enforcement of conformity....well you get the idea.
so letting the alts post does somehow improve the quality? i guess this notion is why many others do just that, huh?
the only person crying "facist" is u. no one once said u can't post at all (besides the other ones against this that r making **** up from outta nowhere)--u just can't do it over several chars because u know your posts r so bad u need imaginary "friends" to support u. is any of this getting through to u? --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Baaldor
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.02 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Lifera
Originally by: Baaldor
You missed what I did there.....
Anyway getting rid of alts post will not improve the quality. As an example, I post with my main, and it obviously has not improved your "quality" one bit, nor would you ever expect it to.
So to get what you want, you will have to get the forum Nzais (<-- you get who I am reffereing to) involved. And as much as most folk enjoy Gustopo style enforcement of conformity....well you get the idea.
so letting the alts post does somehow improve the quality? i guess this notion is why many others do just that, huh?
the only person crying "facist" is u. no one once said u can't post at all (besides the other ones against this that r making **** up from outta nowhere)--u just can't do it over several chars because u know your posts r so bad u need imaginary "friends" to support u. is any of this getting through to u?
Now now, no need to get your panties in a twist.
The author of this thread stated he wanted to improve the quality. I simply stated what needed to be done to achieve that.
Now say your sorry.....
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Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.02 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Anna Lifera on 02/11/2010 19:49:56
Originally by: Baaldor
Now now, no need to get your panties in a twist.
The author of this thread stated he wanted to improve the quality. I simply stated what needed to be done to achieve that.
Now say your sorry.....
who's getting their panties in a twist? obviously, the one crying "facist". but thx for trying. yes, i know--your sorry. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Baaldor
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Lifera Edited by: Anna Lifera on 02/11/2010 19:49:56
Originally by: Baaldor
Now now, no need to get your panties in a twist.
The author of this thread stated he wanted to improve the quality. I simply stated what needed to be done to achieve that.
Now say your sorry.....
who's getting their panties in a twist? obviously, the one crying "facist". but thx for trying. yes, i know--your sorry.
Oh right, I see what you did there....You sir are a master of **** posting.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dead Jesus This is a repression of Free Speech, people who don't like the arguments of others always revert to censorship, not supported.
Actually your right to free speech stopped at the login button. It's a private computer system - CCP can (and do) censor what gets posted here at will (and on a regular basis).
That said, what does your inability to post from two characters in the same thread have to do with your ability to say what you like? You can still use all of the letters on your keyboard regardless of which avatar you happen to attach to the post, right?
Right?!? --Vel
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Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Baaldor
Oh right, I see what you did there....You sir are a master of **** posting.
took u that long to think of and respond with that much, huh? figures. actually, i had a valid argument, which u conveniently ignored and just continued to mudsling and blow out of proportion...over a forum change. we all know u don't want this because the **** posting u're demonstrating would look even more pathetic if u weren't doing it with your imaginary "friends" to appear that u're not alone. and we all know what type of post u're gonna go with next so in advance: Quote: Now now, no need to get your panties in a twist.
btw, u do realize that in your effort to not use alts to try and "debate" this proposal, u're now gonna using your main in razor? of course u didn't but way to represent your alliance with your **** posting. it didn't stop u from doing so but we all know who it's really from, which is this proposal is really about. see what u did there? if not, plz continue making your alliance look stupid--i'd really love to see it. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
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Baaldor
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin Right?!?
It baically insults their e-honor (the op and his henchmen) when confronted by a faceless alt that can not be linked to the actual main character they would never really confront in game anyway.
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Disembodied Torso
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Posted - 2010.11.02 21:17:00 -
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A lot of people are not understanding exactly what my intentions are with this Proposal.
I will simplify it as much as I possibly can:
A) I have one account and three characters. There is a thread I would like to post in with the intention of offering my opinion.
Using my main character, I post my opinion in this thread and engage in a discussion, making several posts and replies.
There is a thread I would like to post in with the intention of trolling.
Using my trolling alt, I post my troll in this thread and engage in trolling, making several troll posts and off-topic replies.
B) I have three accounts and 9 characters...
I am only put at a disadvantage by this Proposal if...
My characters are posting in the same thread.
It's a tactic or practice used too excessively these days. These forums need this Proposal to be enacted to reduce the quantity of self-serving and pointless troll posting and increase the quality of posting made by necessity.
Support this Proposal.
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Disembodied Torso
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Posted - 2010.11.02 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: De'Veldrin Right?!?
It baically insults their e-honor (the op and his henchmen) when confronted by a faceless alt that can not be linked to the actual main character they would never really confront in game anyway.
You do not correctly understand the proposal. You also failed to observe the sarcasm I responded to you with previously.
I do not have any issue at all with being confronted by faceless alts.
I have a qualm with being confronted by several alts puppeted by the same individual, all with contradictory stances and opinions.
It will always be present in Eve and accept that, but with my Proposal it would, by its nature, reduce the amount of posting of that nature by 67%.
The trolls still get to troll. The posters still get to post. The only people disadvantaged by this are the people who need to have their errant behavior curtailed, it's gone on long enough.
Support this Proposal!
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Tyranis Marcus
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Posted - 2010.11.03 04:23:00 -
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It wouldn't really matter. People who really wanted to troll would just log to another account. God knows, half the people I know in-game have 3 or more.
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hjgjgfgfgsj
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Posted - 2010.11.03 15:22:00 -
[55]
Edited by: hjgjgfgfgsj on 03/11/2010 15:25:41 Supported. This is my alt. You can post with an alt, but not in the same thread. It makes perfect sense.
Edit - you know what, they're right, people are just gona use a different account anyway. I guess just live with it.
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Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.03 15:52:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Tyranis Marcus It wouldn't really matter. People who really wanted to troll would just log to another account. God knows, half the people I know in-game have 3 or more.
the point of this proposal still remains--placing restrictions on alt posting. it's not gonna eliminate it completely but 1 alt per extra account is much better than 2 alts in the main account plus 3 per extra account. so if the trolls wanted to restore the number of alts they could've previously used, they'd have to pay triple the total subscription for it. hell, u can even tie it to the credit card number that everyone has to submit upon creating an account. and if the occasional troll, for some reason, still feels the need to troll a forum badly enough to pay that much, then it's their money, which goes to ccp as an incentive for other improvements. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.03 15:53:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Tyranis Marcus God knows, half the people I know in-game have 3 or more.
exactly why this game isn't even half as popular as people on these forums make it out to be
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.11.04 06:04:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Anna Lifera
Originally by: Aineko Macx Oh, it's this proposal again...
- There is low correlation between quality of posts and if poster is main or alt, rendering your proposal pointless. - What AH needs are better tools for rating/organizing/filtering proposals, this will enable AH to easily deal with both bad and good posts appropriately.
Personally I post with this alt (actually another main) because I'm mainly active in AH and don't want the proposals to be stigmatized just because I'm in alliance _whatever_, not because I do ****posts.
1. good posts don't need alts. bad posts do to project a better appearance. 2. the mere fact that u acknowledge it's a stigma because of your proposal and on whose behalf u're pushing it through for means that it is good to force ppl to post with their main. 'cause then, we'd all know u're only trying to nerf others and buff yourselves...just like what u're doing now.
1. Letting your standing to the originator of a proposal bias your opinion on it is petty to say the least. 2. I never pushed a proposal on anyone's behalf (in fact I have voted against bad proposals from members on multiple occasions). You demonstrate exactly what I'm trying to avoid: Just because I'm alliance _whatever_ people assume I MUST be pushing personal agendas, it's inconceivable that I'm actually trying to make the game better ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.04 18:06:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Aineko Macx
1. Letting your standing to the originator of a proposal bias your opinion on it is petty to say the least. 2. I never pushed a proposal on anyone's behalf (in fact I have voted against bad proposals from members on multiple occasions). You demonstrate exactly what I'm trying to avoid: Just because I'm alliance _whatever_ people assume I MUST be pushing personal agendas, it's inconceivable that I'm actually trying to make the game better
1. fyi, the op and i don't even know each other. and u don't have to take my word for it because even if i was lying, that would be more reason to support this proposal anyway. 2. so how is it conceivable that u're making the game better by trying to block this proposal? u honestly think if u posted on your alt rather than your alliance main, it's better because of the stigma avoided? here's the thing--regardless of whether or not there's an ulterior motive behind something, if u give good support (aka quality not quantity) and refute the opposition (aka not ignoring them), it won't matter because even if u had an agenda, the argument would still be valid. therefore, good posts give the associated party a good outlook, while **** posts reflect a bad outlook, aka the stigma. and that's why the only reason u would not post on your main is because u know it's a **** post with no valid arguments that would stigmatize your affiliation, which can only lead back to the conclusion that u're trying to nerf others and buff yourselves with more trolling alts. and we all know it as well so u can stop pretending it's anything else.
at least with your main, u'll be held accountable and we'll know who the idiot/troll really is. maybe then u'll think twice before making your affiliation look stupid and risking your removal from it. the only thing demonstrated here is exactly why this proposal will make the game forums better. and your continued self-defeating attempts, as well as others, to derail this proposal (accusing me of ****-posting and working in collusion with the op) only furthers it. but plz, continue to block an anti-trolling proposal with more trolling--it's really convincing...on our behalf. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Baaldor
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.04 18:38:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Anna Lifera Hijacking Proposal.
I do believe the orgianl proposal:
Originally by: Disembodied Torso Solution: Remove the ability to post with more than one character on an account in a single thread.
It has nothing to do with what you are ranting on about.
So please stay on topic with the OP's proposal, you have done nothing but troll and derail this thread.
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Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.04 18:49:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Anna Lifera on 04/11/2010 18:52:02
Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: Anna Lifera Hijacking Proposal.
I do believe the orgianl proposal:
Originally by: Disembodied Torso Solution: Remove the ability to post with more than one character on an account in a single thread.
It has nothing to do with what you are ranting on about.
So please stay on topic with the OP's proposal, you have done nothing but troll and derail this thread.
l2read and l2think, stupid troll. there's no difference at all, whether it's across one thread or multiple--it's still one char per account. but thx for ignoring everything else with a stupid, half-assed response like u always do. way to represent your alliance...again...so plz continue--at least the other trolls can find some entertainment in a thread against them. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Baaldor
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.04 18:58:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Anna Lifera Edited by: Anna Lifera on 04/11/2010 18:52:02
Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: Anna Lifera Hijacking Proposal.
I do believe the orgianl proposal:
Originally by: Disembodied Torso Solution: Remove the ability to post with more than one character on an account in a single thread.
It has nothing to do with what you are ranting on about.
So please stay on topic with the OP's proposal, you have done nothing but troll and derail this thread.
l2read and l2think, stupid troll. there's no difference at all, whether it's across one thread or multiple--it's still one char per account. but thx for ignoring everything else with a stupid, half-assed response like u always do. way to represent your alliance...again...so plz continue--at least the other trolls can find some entertainment in a thread against them.
No you are pushing for the main to post only. The OP states and posts with his alt to make a point.
So yeah, you get a 3/10 for trying.
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Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.04 19:10:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Anna Lifera on 04/11/2010 19:11:49
Originally by: Baaldor No you are pushing for the main to post only. The OP states and posts with his alt to make a point.
So yeah, you get a 3/10 for trying.
and obviously, u're too stupid to figure out what that point was, which is that alts can be abused to make something look better than it really is. and that's why in order for ppl to see the good points, they have to sort through the clutter of garbage, something u clearly have no trouble creating. way to talk out of your ass.
so yeah, u get a -10/10 for trying 'cause many other trolls fail less than u. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Baaldor
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.04 19:20:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Anna Lifera Edited by: Anna Lifera on 04/11/2010 19:11:49
Originally by: Baaldor No you are pushing for the main to post only. The OP states and posts with his alt to make a point.
So yeah, you get a 3/10 for trying.
and obviously, u're too stupid to figure out what that point was, which is that alts can be abused to make something look better than it really is. and that's why in order for ppl to see the good points, they have to sort through the clutter of garbage, something u clearly have no trouble creating. way to talk out of your ass.
so yeah, u get a -10/10 for trying 'cause many other trolls fail less than u.
u mad?
Because you really sound mad.
If you have to resort to using terms like "Stupid", "Ass" and to try to brow beat someone that opposes your stance... you are proving your self too inept to actually argue your point, and you should not be one to articulate some else's point of view.
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Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.04 19:54:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Anna Lifera on 04/11/2010 19:58:40
Originally by: Baaldor
u mad?
Because you really sound mad.
If you have to resort to using terms like "Stupid", "Ass" and to try to brow beat someone that opposes your stance... you are proving your self too inept to actually argue your point, and you should not be one to articulate some else's point of view.
and yet it describes a troll like u perfectly--conversely, u have to resort to ignoring everything else u can't troll, including refutes, nitpick on trivial or imaginary issues to derail the topic, and best of all, u cry over name-calling after u already cried "tard". furthermore, u accuse others of what u're doing aka hypocrisy. and last but not least, u've done all of the above in one single post! the real question would be:
r YOU mad?
'cause u sound really mad.
p.s. if u think trolling/raging on your main will magically absolve everyone else who trolls on their 3-alts x account total, think again--it's not. and for u to "try" this hard in doing so, especially without any merit behind your ranting, can only lead to the conclusion that u're probably one of them as well. so plz continue some more as a lesson in futility--it's pretty entertaining. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Baaldor
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.04 20:10:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Anna Lifera Edited by: Anna Lifera on 04/11/2010 19:58:40
Originally by: Baaldor
u mad?
Because you really sound mad.
If you have to resort to using terms like "Stupid", "Ass" and to try to brow beat someone that opposes your stance... you are proving your self too inept to actually argue your point, and you should not be one to articulate some else's point of view.
and yet it describes a troll like u perfectly--conversely, u have to resort to ignoring everything else u can't troll, including refutes, nitpick on trivial or imaginary issues to derail the topic, and best of all, u cry over name-calling after u already cried "tard". furthermore, u accuse others of what u're doing aka hypocrisy. and last but not least, u've done all of the above in one single post! the real question would be:
r YOU mad?
'cause u sound really mad.
p.s. if u think trolling/raging on your main will magically absolve everyone else who trolls on their 3-alts x account total, think again--it's not. and for u to "try" this hard in doing so, especially without any merit behind your ranting, can only lead to the conclusion that u're probably one of them as well. so plz continue some more as a lesson in futility--it's pretty entertaining.
You are demonstrating the behavior you claim you wish to stop. You incessant rantings of self importance is leading down a dark path of fail.
Stop now and repent.
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Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.04 20:35:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Baaldor
You are demonstrating the behavior you claim you wish to stop. You incessant rantings of self importance is leading down a dark path of fail.
Stop now and repent.
or what? u'll troll some more 'cause that's all u know how to do? ok. do unto others as they would do unto u. u troll me, i troll u. the fact is we've made our point and u've got nothing. your move. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.04 22:01:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Anna Lifera on 04/11/2010 22:03:16
Originally by: Baaldor
You are demonstrating the behavior you claim you wish to stop. You incessant rantings of self importance is leading down a dark path of fail.
Stop now and repent.
or what? u'll troll some more 'cause that's all u know how to do? ok. do unto others as they would do unto u. u troll me, i troll u. the fact is we've made our point (well u and the other trolls to be exact) and u've got nothing. 'cause no matter what u do, it doesn't change the lack of content in other threads infested by trolling alts. u've already lost--that's why it's futile and stupid for u to even try. your move. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Arctic Monkey
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.11.05 07:57:00 -
[69]
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.11.05 18:53:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Anna Lifera 1. fyi, the op and i don't even know each other. and u don't have to take my word for it because even if i was lying, that would be more reason to support this proposal anyway.
You know, if this was CAOD I'd fully agree (IMO the no-alt posting rule there is definitely right)...
Quote: 2. so how is it even the least bit conceivable that u're making the game better by trying to block this proposal on an alt? u honestly think if u posted on your alt rather than your alliance main, it's better because of the stigma avoided, which somehow makes it valid? here's the thing--regardless of whether or not there's an ulterior motive behind something, if u give good support (aka quality not quantity) and refute the opposition (aka not ignoring them), it won't matter because even if u had an agenda, the argument would still be valid. therefore, good posts give the associated party a good outlook, while **** posts reflect a bad outlook, aka the stigma. and that's why the only reason u would not post on your main is because u know it's a **** post with no valid arguments that would stigmatize your affiliation, which can only lead back to the conclusion that u're trying to nerf others and buff yourselves with more trolling alts. and we all know it as well so u can stop pretending it's anything else.
You got it backwards. I'm not talking of what image my posts would project onto my alliance, but what stigma my alliance projects onto my proposal. People do have their stereotyped thinking, even if unconsciously, and I won't claim I manage to be bias free, but I try. For instance, imagine you saw a proposal by a goon...
And if you are righteous like you claim you should consider the proposal implications for all parties , who would be buffed/nerfed by it and if somebody might in fact be pushing some unilateral agenda, regardless of the proposal OP.
Quote: at least with your main, u'll be held accountable and we'll know who the idiot/troll really is.
a) Feel free to check my posting and proposal history b) Its funny because most bad proposals are done by alliance members or well known characters, NOT some unknown alt.
Quote: and your continued self-defeating attempts, as well as others, to derail this proposal only furthers it.
I'm gonna go ahead and call troll, because discussing alt posting in a ban-alt-posting-thread is very much on topic. We can agree that improving AH is a thing that should be pursued, but you want to inhibit discussion on why the proposal at hand is not the solution were looking for, trying to impede what is ultimately a democratic process.
Quote: and these self-defeating attempts range from accusing me of ****-posting, working in collusion with the op, and the "htfu" after denying us the ability to hold their mains accountable
So who's the one more interested in pointing fingers instead of improving the game after all? ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
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Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.05 22:24:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Aineko Macx You know, if this was CAOD I'd fully agree (IMO the no-alt posting rule there is definitely right)...
and if it wasn't caod, it wouldn't be any less important, despite what u alone favor.
Originally by: Aineko Macx You got it backwards. I'm not talking of what image my posts would project onto my alliance, but what stigma my alliance projects onto my proposal. People do have their stereotyped thinking, even if unconsciously, and I won't claim I manage to be bias free, but I try. For instance, imagine you saw a proposal by a goon...
1. the direction of the "stigma" is irrelevant--they affect each other the same way. u ****-post, u make your affiliation look bad. your corp/alliance mate ****-posts, they make u look bad. but if u're that obsessive over e-image because u think your affiliation makes or breaks your stance (it doesn't), then u might wanna leave your corp/alliance if u don't even want to associate with them. simple as that. 2. so if u can make a good stance, regardless of affiliation, it's a good stance. however, if u're gonna ****-post by giving no good reasons and ignoring the opposition, then it's not valid. when that happens, one would take a look at your affiliation and then it boils down to "buff me and nerf them because i said so". 3. u're not really trying at all to be bias-free if u're gonna comment on another corp/alliance's proposals right after.
Originally by: Aineko Macx And if you are righteous like you claim you should consider the proposal implications for all parties , who would be buffed/nerfed by it and if somebody might in fact be pushing some unilateral agenda, regardless of the proposal OP.
in other words, u totally ignored almost all of this thread...again...when all that would be nerfed r the trolls who resort to hiding behind another identity. of course, caught up in your own hypocrisy and self-righteousness, u're incapable of noticing that. so when u mention this unilateral agenda, r u talking about your idea to only apply this to your precious caod and not anywhere else? u're not special so why don't u take your own advice? because so far, all u have left is to complain about how it would affect u and your e-image only, which isn't saying much...
Originally by: Aineko Macx
a) Feel free to check my posting and proposal history b) Its funny because most bad proposals are done by alliance members or well known characters, NOT some unknown alt.
a. u still don't get it...figures... no matter what u do in your self-righteousness, u're not gonna absolve all the other ****-poster alts. u're not special--get over it. b. and who's supporting them with trolling comments? their own alts. it's real funny how u somehow failed to notice that.
Originally by: Aineko Macx I'm gonna go ahead and call troll, because discussing alt posting in a ban-alt-posting-thread is very much on topic. We can agree that improving AH is a thing that should be pursued, but you want to inhibit discussion on why the proposal at hand is not the solution were looking for, trying to impede what is ultimately a democratic process.
1. only your discussion just proved our point. 2. wow...just...wow... and u're calling me a troll? again, no one said u couldn't post at all. only your own side said that. good job on missing that completely for the millionth time, moron.
Originally by: Aineko Macx So who's the one more interested in pointing fingers instead of improving the game after all?
u already answered your own question with your self-defeating attempts i mentioned. i was merely making note of that. not to mention, only thinking of yourself and disregarding everyone else sure as hell isn't gonna improve the game. in case u still haven't figured it out...u're not special. so try to get some perspective and some words of advice: check yourself before u knock on someone else. next. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Arctic Monkey
Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.11.06 04:45:00 -
[72]
forum warriors, take it somewhere else
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.11.06 06:38:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Anna Lifera moron.
Keep going. You are really helping the proposal. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Pankas Carter
Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.06 13:10:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Pankas Carter on 06/11/2010 13:12:08 +1
Especially in C&P. Some days it feels like there's this one person who posts there, and nobody else.
EDIT: I also like your implementation idea. I don't really see a downside. --
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Anna Lifera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.11.06 14:51:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Aineko Macx Keep going. You are really helping the proposal.
exactly. and u prove my point yet again, trolling alt. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Lady Parity
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.06 18:30:00 -
[76]
As an alt I support this idea, hell I even support the idea that only the highest SP character can post,
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Amanda Eidolo
The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.12 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Amanda Eidolo on 12/11/2010 02:20:10
Damn! Rumbled.
Anyway, as a troll and awful poster I myself see the need for this to implemented. Yes, I am the main of the alt who posted the OP.
When these forums get to be so bad that even I feel an idea such as this is warranted you know they are bad.
Support this proposal!
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Kabaal S'sylistha
The Technomages Comrades-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.11.12 07:26:00 -
[78]
1 account, 1 char, 1 upping
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