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Falhalas Xanth
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Posted - 2010.11.01 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: Falhalas Xanth on 01/11/2010 22:49:58 So I have acquired quite a bit of isk from missioning/ratting and generally just getting lucky over the years. Currently at about 2 Bil isk and was thinking about investing in a capital BPO or 2. I was just wondering(Don't know much about indy but I do have the skills to quicken research time and stuff) how profitable would a Capital BPO be now a days. Was thinking about getting a Thanatos BPO or maybee some Capital part BPOs and putting them on the cooker for a while then making BPCs. But it seems like its going to take years for it to pay itself back from the initial cost.
So I guess I am just asking would investing in a capital BPO be worth while in the long run?
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2010.11.01 23:15:00 -
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Do you normally chain a large rock to your feet and jump in the deep end of the pool? Originally by: Falhalas Xanth (Don't know much about indy but I do have the skills to quicken research time and stuff)
I wouldn't even bother thinking about capital ships until you have your research & manufacturing skills maxed.
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Seirkanis
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Posted - 2010.11.02 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Falhalas Xanth Edited by: Falhalas Xanth on 01/11/2010 22:49:58 So I have acquired quite a bit of isk from missioning/ratting and generally just getting lucky over the years. Currently at about 2 Bil isk and was thinking about investing in a capital BPO or 2. I was just wondering(Don't know much about indy but I do have the skills to quicken research time and stuff) how profitable would a Capital BPO be now a days. Was thinking about getting a Thanatos BPO or maybee some Capital part BPOs and putting them on the cooker for a while then making BPCs. But it seems like its going to take years for it to pay itself back from the initial cost.
So I guess I am just asking would investing in a capital BPO be worth while in the long run?
It might be, but you have to keep in mind that the real money is in building the actual ships. The alliances generally already have suppliers set up, and they are really the only people with the ISK and the interest to afford one. Also, you would need soverignty in a system to actually build capital ships there. For the most part, people aren't building capitals to make ISK, they're doing it because they want the capitals.
I would probably go produce tech II items for a while instead.
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Falhalas Xanth
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Posted - 2010.11.02 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Greg Huff Do you normally chain a large rock to your feet and jump in the deep end of the pool?
Yes I do . I guess more or less I am looking for something to invest in(no I am not going to invest in you ). Im tired of just staring at the isk in my wallet and want to put it towards something that could grow in the future.
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Leksi Bar'zuk
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Posted - 2010.11.02 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Falhalas Xanth
Originally by: Greg Huff Do you normally chain a large rock to your feet and jump in the deep end of the pool?
Yes I do . I guess more or less I am looking for something to invest in(no I am not going to invest in you ). Im tired of just staring at the isk in my wallet and want to put it towards something that could grow in the future.
Train a few trading skills, put the isk to work for you.
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Spacing Cowboy
Caldari Rule of Five
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Posted - 2010.11.02 04:13:00 -
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They can, yet.. ROI is long... terrible long, Also the isk ain't in BPC's of the parts, the cap ships do have there benefits.
( everybody and his mother makes bpc's of cap parts when they have a down time at building , so , plenty out there )
Yet, they do sell, and earn isk.. slow...
A cap-ship bpo takes a month to make a copy, and nets you a profit of 40m a run ( roughly ) Yet, not including the fuel of the tower. So putting up a tower for bpc's ain't worth it unless you own a batch.
You can earn more bpc-isk with making ship-build-packs and sell em in Jita, yet, its slow-isk and pick your type carefull.
And, don't forget the time of research you need BEFORE you can put them to work, ME really counts.
As already said TII pays faster and more :)
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Lord Valkris
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Posted - 2010.11.02 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Spacing Cowboy They can, yet.. ROI is long... terrible long, Also the isk ain't in BPC's of the parts, the cap ships do have there benefits.
( everybody and his mother makes bpc's of cap parts when they have a down time at building , so , plenty out there )
Yet, they do sell, and earn isk.. slow...
A cap-ship bpo takes a month to make a copy, and nets you a profit of 40m a run ( roughly ) Yet, not including the fuel of the tower. So putting up a tower for bpc's ain't worth it unless you own a batch.
You can earn more bpc-isk with making ship-build-packs and sell em in Jita, yet, its slow-isk and pick your type carefull.
And, don't forget the time of research you need BEFORE you can put them to work, ME really counts.
As already said TII pays faster and more :)
Curiously enough, I have to ask what the advantage is of building capital ship components, and even the ships themselves.
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Spacing Cowboy
Caldari Rule of Five
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Posted - 2010.11.02 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Spacing Cowboy on 02/11/2010 04:35:09 I only do ships, and they give a good enough margin to make it worthy. I do it for corp, making the ships affordeble for the members, selling off the extra build on the market to pocket me some isk'ies
I also consider cap bpo's a safe investment, can always sell them again to recoup my invested isk to blow it on hookers and drugs when bored
( those are my reasons, can't speak for anyone else of course )
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Kiyirari
All Star Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.11.02 12:38:00 -
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I once looked into buying all the bpos required for producing a carrier bpc pack, that unfortunaly required multiply bpos of one type or another just to pr0duce enough copys to make a pack in one month.... iirc the expected cost was around 16 billion isk
What do packs sell for 100 mil to 150 mil tops ???
Take a long time to pay off...
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.02 12:41:00 -
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look at the stuff needed for freighter's and see if you think you can make money - --
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Chigy
Minmatar The Smoggies
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Posted - 2010.11.02 14:09:00 -
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I don't know about building caps. Too much work. Making copies is a good way to put extra isk to work. The 3 - 5 bill sitting in the wallet isn't going to grow itself.
This is a very safe and reliable way to get that little bit extra. Anyone making cap copies as their primary isk maker is silly.
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hcydo
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Posted - 2010.11.02 14:31:00 -
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2B is hardly enough for anything in regards to cap BPOs. You will be putting half of your wallet for half a year and the result will be mediocore (what are you going to to do with this lone blueprint?). I would advice trading and boosting this amount about to 10B and the you can fork half of your wallet for a set of BPOs for freighter.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.11.02 15:12:00 -
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Capital component BPOs cost around a billion from NPCs. To get a researched one from another player, you're looking at probably an extra one or two hundred million in research costs.
For the most profitable capital components I have been able to find, you're looking at at least 3 months to hit ROI.... assuming you're running 24/7 with the market for that part never crashing. It would probably be safer to assume 6 months or more.
Basically, if you're looking for something to sink a lot of ISK into for a fairly consistant return with little in the way of maintenance, cap components might be for you. If you're looking to make significant amounts of ISK fairly quickly, there are better ways to invest. *** Wish list for PI:
*One-click input routing *Copy product, inputs & outputs in factories *Launchpad upgrades: twice the space, twice the cost, half the hassle! |
Falhalas Xanth
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:48:00 -
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Everyone keeps saying trade, trade, trade but I am not sure what to trade. I have a freighter so I can move ships and other components but is it as easy as buying low moving the product and selling high.
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.11.02 21:04:00 -
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No, it's easier. Buy low, contract the moving for peanuts, sell high. Sell the freighter so you can put more isk into your trading endevours.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.11.02 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Falhalas Xanth Everyone keeps saying trade, trade, trade but I am not sure what to trade. I have a freighter so I can move ships and other components but is it as easy as buying low moving the product and selling high.
It can be easier than that. Try finding something with a decent volume and relatively few orders, throw up a station buy order at max buy price + .01 ISK, and once you get some throw up a sell order at min sell -.01. If you see decent movement and make a reasonable profit, keep doing it. If not, try another item or another place. *** Wish list for PI:
*One-click input routing *Copy product, inputs & outputs in factories *Launchpad upgrades: twice the space, twice the cost, half the hassle! |
MrProductivity
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Posted - 2010.11.02 23:17:00 -
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Some capital parts can get you some nice profits if you just buy the minerals in Jita, haul (in freighter) to a factory, build, and sell in Jita. In fact there are factories in Jita to do this so you don't even have to leave the system.
Cap Construction Parts are in high demand because they are used to build Control Towers. I happen to have a Cap Const Part BPO with 15 ME but 0 PE that is just sitting my hangar. Price is 1050M if you want. I also have a few Cap Cargo Bay BPOs I don't intend to do anything with, I can sell those at NPC price. Mail me in-game if you're interested.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.03 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Falhalas Xanth
Originally by: Greg Huff Do you normally chain a large rock to your feet and jump in the deep end of the pool?
Yes I do . I guess more or less I am looking for something to invest in(no I am not going to invest in you ). Im tired of just staring at the isk in my wallet and want to put it towards something that could grow in the future.
Buy a drake bpo, throw it into a station to get the me and pe nice and high. Throw into a station copy slot for maximium single run bpcs, return and sell bpcs.
profit?
That'd be a better idea than the capital ship one, you tend to need all the component bps plus the ship bp so, I think, last I look, you're looking at about 9bil to get a orca production going.
and that's before research and materials. --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Spacing Cowboy
Caldari Rule of Five True Associates
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Posted - 2010.11.03 11:28:00 -
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Tru, it isn't just "the bits" bpo's you need, I don't have the table's on this pc, but to start building freigters ( 2 types ) and Orca's the investment was steep.
The advantage of building orca's, then its a short step to also build carriers ---> up
Keep in mind, if you want to build EFFECTIVE freigters, you need multiple bpo's of say, cargo bays and construction parts. 1 freigter a month.. ain't cutting it.
Now.. if you are building multiple type of freigter, orca's and misc other caps.. you library needs to expand rapid. ( uber-expencive )
Of course, with the benefit, to recoup cost faster, you use the bpo's to make copy's during "downtime" ( in my case, when there is no time for shopping for the terrible ****loads of minerals you need )
Yadieyadieyadie...
Want speed? skip the cap building Yet, undocking in your own builds or having a "fleet" of caps on your overview that you build.. for the building carebear , it was worth it.
that said.. can't wait until i can fly the carriers , is about time i get my own builds blown up in a proper way with attatched lol-km.
yadieyadieyadie..
got 5B ? don't bother.. trade for decent ROI , just want to build big-**** ? go wild :)
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Tellenta
Gallente Pastry Productions Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.03 18:26:00 -
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Capital ship BPC sets are redonkeylessly inexpensive for the amount of time you'll put in to copying and researching. you would probably make more isk in the same amount of time researching a popular ship type(s) (someone mentioned drake which is as popular as it gets) placing buy orders for minerals and manufacturing as the minerals come in. When not manufacturing make copies and sell those.
If you can run reactions go to jita do some maths and find what you can make profit from and do that.
If your heart is set on having capital ship BPO's just keep a decent wallet and check the market forum for carrier/dreadnought/capital component BPO's someone that is tired of having, or robbed from their corp and are trying to sell.
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Leksi Bar'zuk
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Posted - 2010.11.03 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Falhalas Xanth Everyone keeps saying trade, trade, trade but I am not sure what to trade. I have a freighter so I can move ships and other components but is it as easy as buying low moving the product and selling high.
You're not seeing the whole picture then. I would advise you to read up on trading in eve, it's got a lot more fascets than just buying good at one station and freighting them to another for a better price (although that's one way of doing it and how some newbs get started).
I had a trading alt at one point who never moved from dodixie and had about zero interaciton with any other characters aside from an initial investment of a billion isk from my main and a few skillbooks for the various trading skills. I bought and re-sold ammo, meta4 modules, and eventually got into ship markup. My profits per month without more than 30ish mins a day were stellar. It's really as simple as learning to read the graphs. I hear a lot of traders harp on spreadsheets and research, but tbh even if you're not going to be hardcore about it (ie. doing it as a side-job for extra coin) you can still clean up nicely by just taking obvious picks and pulling in conservative profits.
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.04 01:42:00 -
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With only 2B you can't even begin to consider getting into Cap BPO's. At best you'd get 1, and putting all of your money into a single object is never a good idea.
Research and think of something else. Spend a day doing nothing but looking around, doing math, taking into consider possible situations....
The "trade" suggestion is the best option in this thread.
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Carl Stonewall
Caldari The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.04 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Falhalas Xanth
Originally by: Greg Huff Do you normally chain a large rock to your feet and jump in the deep end of the pool?
Yes I do . I guess more or less I am looking for something to invest in(no I am not going to invest in you ). Im tired of just staring at the isk in my wallet and want to put it towards something that could grow in the future.
If you just wanna invest wihtout doing anything you can invest in my Carl Enterprice, lets say you put in 1 billion i give you a return of:
2% 1 week 5% 2 weeks 10% 1 month
I know it sounds fishy etc, but if you wanna invest im open for business.
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