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oricle delphi
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Posted - 2010.11.02 16:09:00 -
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imo character sales should be outlawed completely as it negates the need to train skills i.e puts people with money in an unfare advantage over people without who have to train these skills. anything that puts one person in a place were they can train skills faster than another person is unfair and should be removed because that's all character sales are. an instant way to learn skills.
not only does this make the game fairer to everyone in eve but it would also stop account hacking to sell characters. meaning people don't loose their characters(all there stuff yes but not the character)and people buying dont loose their isk to hackers also.
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William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.11.02 16:28:00 -
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If I want to spend my IRL money on some PLEXes on my two-day-old account and use the isk from that to buy a 20m SP character, that is my business. If you have been shafted in a character trading deal and feel like raging about it somewhere, it's your business. Go whine to your corp.
Originally by: Templar Dane Tanking is not a role.
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oricle delphi
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Posted - 2010.11.02 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: William Cooly If I want to spend my IRL money on some PLEXes on my two-day-old account and use the isk from that to buy a 20m SP character, that is my business. If you have been shafted in a character trading deal and feel like raging about it somewhere, it's your business. Go whine to your corp.
so let me get this right. using rl money to negate the skilling process is fair game, even though is goes against everything this game is all about. with your view alone that shows how flawed character trading is. that having money and not playing the game is the way to go. u might aswell just give everyone skillpoints for plex. because that is all character trading is.
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Steven internet
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Posted - 2010.11.02 17:26:00 -
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So you say you should allways be one step ahead, just because you started playing first?
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.11.02 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: oricle delphi
Originally by: William Cooly If I want to spend my IRL money on some PLEXes on my two-day-old account and use the isk from that to buy a 20m SP character, that is my business. If you have been shafted in a character trading deal and feel like raging about it somewhere, it's your business. Go whine to your corp.
so let me get this right. using rl money to negate the skilling process is fair game, even though is goes against everything this game is all about. with your view alone that shows how flawed character trading is. that having money and not playing the game is the way to go. u might aswell just give everyone skillpoints for plex. because that is all character trading is.
Your logic is flawed, as it hasn't negated the skill system. You still have to spend the time and run an account, in order to skill a character up for sale.
The ISK that is paid for the character, is a direct result of that time and how well it's skill tree is trained. So your comparison to Plex for SP, is way off the mark.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
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Posted - 2010.11.02 19:37:00 -
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Not to mention that getting rid of "legal" character selling would almost certainly see a huge rise in "illegal" selling through dodgy websites. This would lead to more scamming/ hacking/ account theft etc. Something which CCP is trying hard to combat at the moment.
Perhaps you feel that people willing to take that kind of risk deserve what they get, and maybe you're right But I don't think it would help CCP's PR to become synonymous with OOG theft, fraud and E-crime, regardless of what is allowed in-game.
Added to this, at least the official char trading system allows for a reasonable degree of background checking etc. when involved in recruitment/ counter-espionage work. Back alley trading is much harder to root out when checking up on character history. ----
Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: oricle delphi anything that puts one person in a place were they can train skills faster than another person is unfair and should be removed
It's worth remembering that character sales are paid for with ISK, not RL money. How hard is it to make a few billion ISK in this game? -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
Vardath
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: oricle delphi imo character sales should be outlawed completely as it negates the need to train skills i.e puts people with money in an unfare advantage over people without who have to train these skills. anything that puts one person in a place were they can train skills faster than another person is unfair and should be removed because that's all character sales are. an instant way to learn skills.
not only does this make the game fairer to everyone in eve but it would also stop account hacking to sell characters. meaning people don't loose their characters(all there stuff yes but not the character)and people buying dont loose their isk to hackers also.
I agree with disabling character sales/trades. I do however think that skills should grow faster while you are actually playing the game.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.11.02 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vardath I do however think that skills should grow faster while you are actually playing the game.
This will benefit macro missioners more than it will benefit you. Before suggesting a change to any game rules, always consider how it will make it easier for the other guy to beat you, before you consider how it will make it easier for you to beat the other guy :)
-- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.11.02 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Vardath I do however think that skills should grow faster while you are actually playing the game.
This will benefit macro missioners more than it will benefit you. Before suggesting a change to any game rules, always consider how it will make it easier for the other guy to beat you, before you consider how it will make it easier for you to beat the other guy :)
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mchief117
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Posted - 2010.11.02 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Abbot Laarkin Not to mention that getting rid of "legal" character selling would almost certainly see a huge rise in "illegal" selling through dodgy websites. This would lead to more scamming/ hacking/ account theft etc. Something which CCP is trying hard to combat at the moment.
Perhaps you feel that people willing to take that kind of risk deserve what they get, and maybe you're right But I don't think it would help CCP's PR to become synonymous with OOG theft, fraud and E-crime, regardless of what is allowed in-game.
Added to this, at least the official char trading system allows for a reasonable degree of background checking etc. when involved in recruitment/ counter-espionage work. Back alley trading is much harder to root out when checking up on character history.
dont get me wrong but dont CCP have to actualy make the transfer happen vs simple knwing it is going on, I have yet to buy or sell a character so im just asking |
Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
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Posted - 2010.11.03 01:27:00 -
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Edited by: Abbot Laarkin on 03/11/2010 01:36:03
Originally by: mchief117
dont get me wrong but dont CCP have to actualy make the transfer happen vs simple knwing it is going on, I have yet to buy or sell a character so im just asking
Illegal character sales can, and probably do, happen. The introduction of the char trading system cut down on this to a large extent. I am not going to tell you how it was done as that would be against the rules. But it's not hard to figure out.
In a game like Eve where people will go to extraordinary lengths to gain an advantage the only real choice CCP have is to try and control/ regulate such sales. Trying to get rid of them altogether will simply drive it underground. Much the same way that prohibition worked (or didn't depending on your pov).
I'm firmly against any form of grinding for SP, but char sales are different. I may not like the idea myself, but regardless of how much a person spends to "buy" a char, the SP on that char will be directly related to the age of said char. In a situation where one can "grind" SP that relationship is skewed, a minor difference perhaps but in certain situations an important one.
Besides, I honestly couldn't care less about who is controlling any given character. In a PvP situation it is my SP + XP vs. his/ her SP + XP. Someone who bought the Character may have one, but is less likely to have the other (unless they have done some serious research) in which case it makes no difference to me. Am I fighting a 50mil SP char being controlled by an older player or a 50 mil SP char being controlled by a complete newbie? Who cares so long as I win the fight More likely to win against the newb though
Peace. ----
Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.11.03 09:20:00 -
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Quote: I do however think that skills should grow faster while you are actually playing the game.
Welcome to leaving your character logged in all day while at work/school/sleeping!
------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Jurinak
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Posted - 2010.11.03 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jurinak on 03/11/2010 09:54:42
Originally by: Vardath
I agree with disabling character sales/trades. I do however think that skills should grow faster while you are actually playing the game.
I also demand a small wood where we can slay spacepigs to get extra SP!!
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Project 69
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Posted - 2010.11.03 12:36:00 -
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you see, I've to work (that's not what my boss thinks) to earn some RL-money. I could rather sit in front of the PC and play eve to get more isk and stuff.
So basically those who have a job/studies/etc have a big disadvantage of those being able to play 23.5/7.
ban them too
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