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Tom Gerard
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Posted - 2010.11.06 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Tom Gerard on 06/11/2010 14:01:43
Psychological warfare is an asset to EVE.
Why?
You can max skill a griefer alt in less than a week.
A single cloaky can drop production greatly.
How?
The folks I AFK guessed I am harmless but will still reship from exhumers to barges and some will just log.
Furthermore:
I can do it at work when asleep or dating (lol, yeah right)
The AFK cloaking feature is one of the best "value-ads" in EVE
Protect our lifestyle choice.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.06 13:56:00 -
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A single cloaky can drop production greatly if your alliance sucks.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.11.06 14:03:00 -
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I hear there is a large amount of systems where you can not be affected by afk cloakers. I think they are marked from yellow to blue on the star map. Maybe go there?
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Xercodo
Amarr
INESTO Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.06 14:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Ran Khanon
I hear there is a large amount of systems where you can not be affected by afk cloakers. I think they are marked from yellow to blue on the star map. Maybe go there?
war dec? 
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The drake is a lie
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Shepard Book
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.06 14:36:00 -
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Imagine a carebear that might have to defend itself. Be happy you have a free warning someone is in your local.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.11.06 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
A single cloaky can drop production greatly if your alliance sucks.
this
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.11.06 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Gerard
I can do it at work when asleep
You sleep at work? Are you guys hiring?
Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.06 14:56:00 -
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afk cloakers are not that big an issue
i usually rat with friends in groups or 3 or 4... most cloakers wont try attack u.
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Aricaan
Rum and Quafe
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Posted - 2010.11.06 14:58:00 -
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I live in a wormhole and they dont bother me. :p
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LittleTerror
Dashavatara
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Posted - 2010.11.06 15:44:00 -
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AFK cloaky annoying yes but its part of the game and a valid tactic, just think of them as a sniper keeping troops alert. |
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Pankas Carter
Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.06 15:50:00 -
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I prefer to non-AFK cloak.
If you see me sitting about, rest assured I'm currently probing you down and/or passing along intel.
Sleep well.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.11.06 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror
AFK cloaky annoying yes but its part of the game and a valid tactic, just think of them as a sniper keeping troops alert.
In RL they just call in an airstrike on sniper positions after noticing them, or the troops blast them to hell with a Javelin missile. If they don't know exactly where the sniper position is, they invent bombing tactics and things like napalm which can cover square miles of terrain and wipe them out.
Don't confuse EVE warfare with the real thing for a second. In reality people develop military tech to counter tactics as soon as they appear, and invent ways for one person or device to take out as many foes as possible. CCP does neither of these things.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
LittleTerror
Dashavatara
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Posted - 2010.11.06 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: LittleTerror
AFK cloaky annoying yes but its part of the game and a valid tactic, just think of them as a sniper keeping troops alert.
In RL they just call in an airstrike on sniper positions after noticing them, or the troops blast them to hell with a Javelin missile. If they don't know exactly where the sniper position is, they invent bombing tactics and things like napalm which can cover square miles of terrain and wipe them out.
Don't confuse EVE warfare with the real thing for a second. In reality people develop military tech to counter tactics as soon as they appear, and invent ways for one person or device to take out as many foes as possible. CCP does neither of these things.
Well this is a space game set in the distant future, you're right I should not have compared it to real life, however the invisible threat of IED's and snipers remains ever present in real life.
No you can't napalm that entire village or town... |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.11.06 16:26:00 -
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In future space combat we'd be seeing things like bombs with the power of small supernovae, which can wipe out anyone stupid enough to have all their weapon platforms closely together, in a sort of blob like thing.
As for IEDs and sniper positions in the sense you mean them, both those are problems with occupying populated areas where you're not welcome. It's a poorly thought out military tactic in the first place, which can be easily avoided by just having the sense to not do it.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Cyprus Black
Caldari
Ministry of Destruction
SCUM.
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Posted - 2010.11.06 16:37:00 -
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You do realize what AFK stands for, right?
AFK = Away From Keyboard.
If a player who's away from his keyboard and cloaked up is such a threat to your entire alliance, then you fail EvE and should go back to WoW. Seriously, a wet paper napkin poses more threat than an AFK cloaker.
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L'Informatore
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Posted - 2010.11.06 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: L''Informatore on 06/11/2010 16:39:23
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
As for solo mining and ratting in the sense you mean them, both those are problems with occupying null security space where you're not welcome. It's a poorly thought out military tactic in the first place, which can be easily avoided by just having the sense to not do it.
Fixed.
Carebear is mad he can't solo grind a 0.0 system with no risk all day.
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LittleTerror
Dashavatara
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Posted - 2010.11.06 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
In future space combat we'd be seeing things like bombs with the power of small supernovae, which can wipe out anyone stupid enough to have all their weapon platforms closely together, in a sort of blob like thing.
Oh so we would set off a small supernovae? Lol, that sounds so silly, a small supernovae would require a small sun and then even if it were possible it would take out a large chunk of a solar system and emit radiation which would kill anyone living near by... Not to mention severely hammering electronics and communication's, again you're thinking so over kill for a frigate sized cloaked ship that you have no idea where it is in a system that can stretch 50 - 100 AU or more... |
Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
Dragoon Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.06 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: LittleTerror
AFK cloaky annoying yes but its part of the game and a valid tactic, just think of them as a sniper keeping troops alert.
In RL they just call in an airstrike on sniper positions after noticing them, or the troops blast them to hell with a Javelin missile. If they don't know exactly where the sniper position is, they invent bombing tactics and things like napalm which can cover square miles of terrain and wipe them out.
Don't confuse EVE warfare with the real thing for a second. In reality people develop military tech to counter tactics as soon as they appear, and invent ways for one person or device to take out as many foes as possible. CCP does neither of these things.
Telling him that he should not confuse EVE warfare with the real thing. Then telling us that in real life, counters are developed against different types of warfare. 
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.11.06 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 06/11/2010 17:36:26
Originally by: L'Informatore
Carebear is mad he can't solo grind a 0.0 system with no risk all day.
I actually can, and have. 0.0 is dead, and a joke.
Still has nothing to do with anything i said. Same goes for everyone elses comments.
Oh, forgot to mention there are counters for IEDs like ground penetrating radar.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Feilamya
Pain Elemental
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Posted - 2010.11.06 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aricaan
I live in a wormhole and they dont bother me. :p
The problem is that those dumb 0.0 and empire dwellers haven't figured out they can simply close the local window.
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LittleTerror
Dashavatara
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Posted - 2010.11.06 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: Aricaan
I live in a wormhole and they dont bother me. :p
The problem is that those dumb 0.0 and empire dwellers haven't figured out they can simply close the local window.
It would be kind of ****ing dumb to close it though right? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.06 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror
It would be kind of ****ing dumb to close it though right?
Depends. It would be a 100% effective solution to the AFK cloaker "problem."
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.06 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 06/11/2010 19:13:46
Argh!
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2010.11.06 19:33:00 -
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There are multiple armed reds in a pos, in my system and it doesn't stop me ratting. Just need to rat in pvp fit ships and have friends at hand.
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Riggs Droput
Mad Bombers
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.11.06 22:05:00 -
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I love to semi AFK cloak with my alt as I am doing house work, or playing the stock market. It makes me warm and fuzzy inside to know that people refuse to undock because there is 1 cloaker in system.
They should just get rid of local in Null/Low Sec.
Riggs
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FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.06 22:08:00 -
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I do agree that being able to afk cloak in a 0.0 production system is massively dumb... the amount of money the alliance is losing because they can't safely produce isk is staggering simply by you being in their system afk. I've done it myself. But you can also think of it this way:
Those looking for a kill travel hours through 0.0 all the time. They enter a system with a raven (or other ship) ratting and as soon as you enter local, that person warps to a POS or docks up. This can happen repeatedly, and it often does. the ONLY way to catch that ratter is to afk cloak in his system until he gets used to your presence. Then, when he gets tired of waiting around and believes you're afk, you spring on him and voila. There are two sides of the coin.
Ideally, we'll find a solution that addresses both problems. #1 making it so you can't afk cloak in a system indefinately, and #2 making it so the ratter can't simply just warp away when he sees you enter local (maybe faster warp travel times? I always thought it was detrimental to this game making warp travels 30 seconds minimum. that's a long time. Maybe you do the speed up animation, slow down animation, and boom you're there. Warping is already balanced with the alignment time anyways)
Just some food for thought.
-Feral
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"If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.11.06 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black
You do realize what AFK stands for, right?
AFK = Away From Keyboard.
If a player who's away from his keyboard and cloaked up is such a threat to your entire alliance, then you fail EvE and should go back to WoW. Seriously, a wet paper napkin poses more threat than an AFK cloaker.
The "problem" with AFK cloakers is that you can't tell if they are AFK or not AFK. If they are not AFK, they are a danger. If they are AFK, then they are not.
Contrary to popular belief, however, there are many counters to AFK cloakers. Moving to another system, ratting in groups, training your corpmates to respond quickly to distress calls, or piloting ships which are easy to replace and thus mean nothing when lost.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Grozdan Boyadijev
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Posted - 2010.11.06 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
The "problem" with AFK cloakers is that you can't tell if they are AFK or not AFK. If they are not AFK, they are a danger. If they are AFK, then they are not.
Contrary to popular belief, however, there are many counters to AFK cloakers. Moving to another system, ratting in groups, training your corpmates to respond quickly to distress calls, or piloting ships which are easy to replace and thus mean nothing when lost.
Don't forget watching your intel channel and learning your AFKers' schedules. I can't imagine there are many AFK cloakers who can afford to AFK 23/7 and come back at any given time.
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Riggs Droput
Mad Bombers
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.11.06 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Grozdan Boyadijev
Originally by: Taedrin
The "problem" with AFK cloakers is that you can't tell if they are AFK or not AFK. If they are not AFK, they are a danger. If they are AFK, then they are not.
Contrary to popular belief, however, there are many counters to AFK cloakers. Moving to another system, ratting in groups, training your corpmates to respond quickly to distress calls, or piloting ships which are easy to replace and thus mean nothing when lost.
Don't forget watching your intel channel and learning your AFKers' schedules. I can't imagine there are many AFK cloakers who can afford to AFK 23/7 and come back at any given time.
We might not be able to cloak all 23/7 but with my shift schedual I am up at all hours of the day. It doesnt hurt me or my PC to wake up go login and go afk untill I get booted at next downtime. If I truely wanted to try I could be afk 20+ hours a day.
Either I kill ships or a play a ISK denail role, either way I am acomplishing my goal of hurting other players pocket books.
The best part of it. Is while I am afk in one system I can be roaming in another with another account causing double damage.
Learn to man up and deal with afk cloakers dont be *****s and hide all the time. More fights = more fun. You would stop cloakers more by when they come to attack you get your buddies to jump on them and kill them if they actually come to tackle you.
Riggs
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DarkAegix
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Posted - 2010.11.06 23:22:00 -
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Problem: AFK cloakers who scare people and could un-AFK at any given moment and pop some ratters
Solution: A probe which can scan down cloakers. Alternatively, allow current probes to do this too.
There are no issues I can think of with this. Only AFK cloakers are negatively affected by the cloak-detection probe, which is the aim.
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