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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nightshade Mary
Originally by: papal knight Oh is this so....... so why did you have -V- RED? why did you fly in RE-AL fleets and kill RE-AL REDS? Why the same day we set U'K back to neut to set -V- who was RED to BLUE hmmmm i wounder why?
Why do you shout so much? Lack of self control?
Anyway, you might wonder why we do what we do, but since I doubt you'd take any explanation for it's worth, I suggest you head to the -V- diplomats. I trust you know the way.
Hang on you fly NRDS in GW but you fly in NBSI fleets? hmmmm got to give to you all as you sure dont know what your doing or flying. DRAMA
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:25:00 -
[152]
Originally by: papal knight Oh is this so....... so why did you have -V- RED? why did you fly in RE-AL fleets and kill RE-AL REDS? Why the same day we set U'K back to neut to set -V- who was RED to BLUE hmmmm i wounder why?
-V- were red from a long long time ago. After a while in GW we spoke to them and set them blue. We never shot RE-AL reds who weren't also ours. In fact we had -V- blue prior to RE-AL setting us neutral.
Really do we have to go into labyrinthine detail of all the standings we've ever had simply because uninformed people have an axe to grind or want to try and make it seem as if we don't follow our own RoE? You don't like us for some reason, we get it.
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:27:00 -
[153]
Originally by: papal knight
Originally by: Nightshade Mary
Originally by: papal knight Oh is this so....... so why did you have -V- RED? why did you fly in RE-AL fleets and kill RE-AL REDS? Why the same day we set U'K back to neut to set -V- who was RED to BLUE hmmmm i wounder why?
Why do you shout so much? Lack of self control?
Anyway, you might wonder why we do what we do, but since I doubt you'd take any explanation for it's worth, I suggest you head to the -V- diplomats. I trust you know the way.
Hang on you fly NRDS in GW but you fly in NBSI fleets? hmmmm got to give to you all as you sure dont know what your doing or flying. DRAMA
Drama? To be honest, we have only seen RE-AL drama so far. We do indeed fly in NBSI fleets. Our pilots have been instructed not to fire at neutrals whilst in these fleets. Our friends who organize these fleets know and accept this limitation.
It complicates things somewhat, yes, but flying true NRDS is nothing new for us. Perhaps you'd care to try it instead of your CVA model? Just contact one of us ingame and we'll be happy to explain things to you. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.11.11 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
The funny part obviously is that SF who claims to be against this sides with UK (really people, enclosurism is just not an existing word), while under CVA controlled providence it was never a problem to be blue with our enemies, just as long as you didnt attack our friends or in any way helped reds that attacked us. But for example quite some atlas renters were neutral and accepted in providence, while they obviously were allied to an enemy. The only difference then is that SF just doesnt care if you shoot neutrals or not, and happily allies themselves with NBSI alliances (and when they get backstabbed by them they suddenly see this as a problem, while in their history they have mainly been allied with nbsi entities), while CVA/RE-AL style NRDS sees neutrals as (potential) friends, and they dont appreciate it if you shoot their friends.
Such a relief to have a notorious CVA agent provocateur like Furb Killer back to ranting nonsenses against us.
The Star Fraction supports the Ushra'Khan in one simple, clear and straightforward regard: we fully endorse and defend their choice to practice independent diplomacy according to their freely-chosen standards and ethical underpinnings.
Do we subscribe to every jot and tittle of their diplomatic choices? No. Do we hold as enemies all their enemies? No. Do we hold as friends all their friends? No.
Which is rather the point.
As for the great debate about NRDS and NBSI and trying to derive meaning from who has friends subscribing to which engagement ruleset: it's nonsense. The many variants of NRDS and NBSI are engagement rulesets, not fully-featured ethical systems that can be used to determine (or as some think, dictate) who can be friends and who should be enemies. It's hardly as if the CVA refuses friendship with all sorts of NBSI entities. It always has and no doubt it always will. It's sheerest hypocrisy for propaganda spear-carriers of the CVA to cavil at the fact that the Ushra'Khan and Star Fraction have diplomatic relations with entities that happen to be NBSI.
For us, the key issue has always been the actual political, diplomatic, military and economic ideologies or policies of any given entity and how these are implemented in actuality. Whether an entity holds to NBSI RoE or one of the many variants of NRDS can be a factor in assessing them but it is, at best, a second order factor.
The Cosmopolite
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 17:20:00 -
[155]
It complicates things somewhat, yes, but flying true NRDS is nothing new for us. Perhaps you'd care to try it instead of your CVA model? Just contact one of us ingame and we'll be happy to explain things to you.
Lol you keep telling yourself that i had it with your BULL i makes me think how lucky we are not to have the drama queens of U'K blue CVA are lucky they dont have to put it with it we will see how long it is until you move on and im sure you will be soon as everyone knows LD emo rage is funny
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight It complicates things somewhat, yes, but flying true NRDS is nothing new for us. Perhaps you'd care to try it instead of your CVA model? Just contact one of us ingame and we'll be happy to explain things to you.
Lol you keep telling yourself that i had it with your BULL i makes me think how lucky we are not to have the drama queens of U'K blue CVA are lucky they dont have to put it with it we will see how long it is until you move on and im sure you will be soon as everyone knows LD emo rage is funny
For some reason you keep mentioning drama and emo. What is the matter? Did you run out of arguments? ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
Michael Bross
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 17:58:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Nightshade Mary
Originally by: papal knight It complicates things somewhat, yes, but flying true NRDS is nothing new for us. Perhaps you'd care to try it instead of your CVA model? Just contact one of us ingame and we'll be happy to explain things to you.
Lol you keep telling yourself that i had it with your BULL i makes me think how lucky we are not to have the drama queens of U'K blue CVA are lucky they dont have to put it with it we will see how long it is until you move on and im sure you will be soon as everyone knows LD emo rage is funny
For some reason you keep mentioning drama and emo. What is the matter? Did you run out of arguments?
No...
He Mad...
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Astroyka
Caldari Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight flying true NRDS is nothing new for us.
It's truly hard to educate a mindless automaton, but as we have said before and will say again, if we ascribe to your standings and you set an entity red then its only RE-AL's opinion that they should be red.
Granted I'm sure if relations were different there would have been instances where both alliances would have set a given entity red, but we don't do subservience and we certainly don't enforce subservience on others.
Simple, we didn't and don't want your standings, we have our own!
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Andarias
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:05:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Andarias on 11/11/2010 18:06:27
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Zebes
Caldari Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:10:00 -
[160]
Originally by: time 3290
Yes we did set U'k red first they opend fire on a RE-AL fleet http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7917025
We was both blue and they attack us for what they said we attack one of there fleet members who was a member of Thukker Tribe Mercebaries who was sat on a gate on his own and is RED to RE-AL and has been for a very long time, for all you guys who like to look a facts look when Thukker Tribe was made funny they made an ally called that the same time U'K said there coming to GW to help you out here is them before the made this sad alliance http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7809069 13-10-2010 oh......
I was wondering if you would have the gall to bring that up. Nuknuk mentioned the loss of his precious cyclone, but I'd figured the rest of you for smarter.
What actually happened, for those of you who make a habit of believing Nykitah's version of events. As you can see, we were in a fleet - several U'K with a single member of the Thukker Tribe Mercs. We were roaming around looking for things to shoot - a decidedly difficult task when running NRDS as with a diplomatic team as good at getting blues as ours. We were paused on a gate while our scout was in the next system. Nykitah and his fleet arrived in system from another direction. Nyk arrived at our gate and immediately opened fire on the lone non-U'K member of our gang. Said individual was not 'sat on a gate on his own.' He was sat on a gate in the midst of several of us, and our FC wasn't about to have us sit around and watch him get attacked. Interestingly enough, it wasn't until after we engaged in defense of our fleetmate that the rest of Nykitah's fleet rolled in, causing some issues, as most of us didn't show blues on our combat displays.
In short, Nuknuk showed up looking for a fight, attacked our fleet, and got a fight. Kwitcherbichin.
As for the rest of your ****, it's just a matter of whose story you believe. First notification most of us got that you guys were hostile to us was the loss of Ratokus Loki. The messages you sent went to diplomats who were not available to receive them and pass them along at the time. Given how absurdly easy it is to determine whether a pilot is in their pod, this speaks to either deliberate negligence or gross incompetence on the part of your diplomats. For future reference, when setting a formerly neutral entity KOS, it's considered polite to make real-time contact with them so that they can match the standings change. Simply sending a message to a diplo who can't receive it and then starting to shoot is... well...
Good day.
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Nykitah
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nykitah on 11/11/2010 18:21:53 Oh aye, I recall that time... that little fleet of yers being reported in our intel channels, the Kunts flyin' with Thukker Tribe Mercs even after multiple warnings that the Mercs are hostile to us. So, I went and went to talk with the only Ushra'Kunt sittin' in their diplo channel - C Walken.
[ 2010.10.28 01:54:07 ] Nykitah > So, I've been told that you guys are flying with our reds. [ 2010.10.28 01:56:45 ] C Walken > lil bit [ 2010.10.28 01:57:28 ] Nykitah > Well, just to tell you right now - we will shoot them regardless. [ 2010.10.28 01:57:33 ] C Walken > thukker mercs are pretty chill guys [ 2010.10.28 01:57:39 ] C Walken > thats cool [ 2010.10.28 01:57:53 ] C Walken > we're ok with you guys shooting nay of our blues
There ya have it! Straight from the freakin' slave hound's maw. Course it ain't no surprise that his words were full of the **** all them Kunts are.
As for yer idiotic Loki pilot? Heh, caught him tryin' to incap the offline guns on me tower with some fighters soon after we declared yer lot hostile. Sat himself right up against the force field, didn't even start runnin' 'til after I had the pirate scum locked down and tackled.
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:32:00 -
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No no no its wrong its all lies there you go said it for you U'K
No matter what the truth is you swing round to be everyone else and not them
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight No no no its wrong its all lies there you go said it for you U'K
No matter what the truth is you swing round to be everyone else and not them
Does not compute, please clarify. I suggest punctuation and proof-reading your post before selecting "Post Reply".
Thank you. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
Michael Bross
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:03:00 -
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Running time > so attacking OUR fleet last night Forlorn Wongraven > we fought cva for years against their standing enclosure bull**** and our (minmatar) buddies want to force it upon us Forlorn Wongraven > dramalama Forlorn Wongraven > nyk forced it Running time > yip and im sorry over that
We have every mail and chat log from your alliance since the first contact. Do we really want to play that game?
(Secition edited from OOC to IC referance.)
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:28:00 -
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Talk is good on here tell why are you all sat in EO2 with the numbers and not going to fight with your new master -V- tell you what U'K get 3x our numbers and come what im trying to say stop the talk and fight for the rights to stay in RE-AL space we rent it out to the thukker tribe it looks cool that way
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight Talk is good on here tell why are you all sat in EO2 with the numbers and not going to fight with your new master -V- tell you what U'K get 3x our numbers and come what im trying to say stop the talk and fight for the rights to stay in RE-AL space we rent it out to the thukker tribe it looks cool that way
Hmm, let me see if I understand you correct.
You claim to be the true owners of Thukker space; the Thukkers actually rent from you.
Really...
I wonder what the Thukkers have to say about that. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:40:00 -
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Like i said you have all the time you want to reply to this crap as youe sat in E02 with more in fleet then us and still not fight screenshot coming up
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Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Syyl''ara on 11/11/2010 19:47:23 See, a NAP is one thing. Engaging in cooperative roams is another entirely. Taking sides in blue/grey on blue/grey engagements is another still. From what has been described here, this sounds more like a mutual defensive alliance than a non-aggression pact.
Everything else that followed was kind of inevitable, if you think about it.
If you so much as cycle a remote repper on your allies when they engage a non-red target (assuming you are operating NRDS) that has not aggressed you specifically, you should very much expect they will now consider you hostile.
U'K actually uses this logic all the time whenever they see fit to engage forces they consider to be "giving material support to slavers" and the like. This doesn't have to even be in the form of fielding combat forces in many cases.
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight Like i said you have all the time you want to reply to this crap as youe sat in E02 with more in fleet then us and still not fight screenshot coming up
Am I? That's odd. When I look at my navigation computer it reports that I am in Uplingur.
Tell me though , what is a screenshot? Must be a feature my ship doesn't have.
I do look forward to your answer, you are somewhat entertaining. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 20:24:00 -
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Well if you was with your fleet you might of won cos man you lot just got your ass kick
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 20:27:00 -
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Win some, lose some, that is the life of a capsuleer. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
Mad Murgan
Minmatar DAEDALUS X Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 21:01:00 -
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quote] I'm sorry, I mean dear, sweet Victoria and I have a bit of a history. In short, about six months ago, she was responsible for the murder of a fellow slave. This murder she not only freely admits to, but is rather proud of. Oh and incidentially, I know you guys are new to U'K but do you think you could at least try not to sound like you're still in Star Fraction? that would add loads to your credibility. As for the rest of your juvinile thread... Here I am. Come free me.
Wait, I have credibility? When did that ever happen? I have as much credibility as, how shall I put this, you. As for my friends over in the Star Fraction, nice jab by the way, so maybe they rubbed off on me a little. I fail to see how that is a bad thing, and how not sounding like them could help my nonexistant credability. Not that I want any... As for your allegations against my friend Victoria, please show some proof. Seriously, right now it sounds like your bitter because she didn't want to take you out on a date or something. As for sounding juvinile, well I was shooting for angry as hell, so I guess I need to work on that. As for liberating you...well...from the looks of things you don't really need to be. Unless that was an open challange for a fight. In which case, see you when I see you. So to sum it all up. Please stop stalking my friend and pitching a fit already...it's huanting, in a way. Sanity is relative.
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Victoria Stecker
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight Well if you was with your fleet you might of won cos man you lot just got your ass kick
Hey, congrats. We need you guys to win some of these. If every battle went like last night's little scuffles, this would be over quickly and spoil all our fun. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death. |
Norsey
Free Space Initiative Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.11 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Stecker
Originally by: papal knight Well if you was with your fleet you might of won cos man you lot just got your ass kick
Hey, congrats. We need you guys to win some of these. If every battle went like last night's little scuffles, this would be over quickly and spoil all our fun.
CONCORD OOC censor applied. Zymurgist
Your right this will be over in no time at all
CONCORD OOC censor applied. Zymurgist
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Pablos Locos
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Posted - 2010.11.11 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight what im trying to say stop the talk and fight for the rights to stay in RE-AL space we rent it out to the thukker tribe it looks cool that way
So, The Republic Military School is challenging the Thukker's SOV by granting it to RE-AL? Oh, the political strife. |
papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 23:47:00 -
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Yes we will take the Thukker guys down hard http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8027653 see more info for you oh and here the link from U'K fail mix fleet with there masters -V- http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8026293 what the kill mail does not show is all the scim they had bad repping guys very bad night night
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.12 00:09:00 -
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http://www.ushrakhan.org/edk/?a=kill_related&kll_id=5803 try setting your killboard up so it show ALL lose in your fleets not just the one you loss
Its called a fleet not how well you do
not much you could do with a larger gang alphaing you :) but, drop the SPR in lows and go with core-def shield ex in rigs, one less LSE, two invuln and one photon hardner for better resists
hmmmm with all your scim we had 2 more guess thats a larger fleet
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Pablos Locos
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Posted - 2010.11.12 00:15:00 -
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papal knight, due to the lack of any public records or military reports concerning your capsuleer affiliations, would you be so kind as to clarify your political status? Since you have claimed to speak on behalf of RE-AL, do you claim to hold a leadership position in RE-AL? If so, does RE-AL dispute this? |
time 3290
Free Space Initiative Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.12 00:39:00 -
[179]
Im sure papal Knight can talk for RE-AL
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.12 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: time 3290 Im sure papal Knight can talk
Really?
Well, perhaps by your standards.
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