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Ellsmins
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Posted - 2010.11.08 01:33:00 -
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Solo PVP Thorax.
I had been considering flying a thorax with small blasters so that I would have more room for armor. I know there are many who like this fit, and many who do not. Then I was thinking, why not fit small autocannons? If I use small blasters I get no damage bonus so no difference there with the autocannons, however. The autocannons use no cap so it makes sense? Right?
So I was thinking of something like this. 5x 200mm AutoCannon II 1x Mirco Warp Drive II 1x J5 Warp Scrambler 1x X5 Webifier 1x 1600 plate (probably meta 3) 1x DCU II 2x Adaptive nano membrane I (II when I can get them) 1x For this I wasn't sure for the last slot here, more armor? I was considering a repairer but have ditched the idea.
Any thoughts or tips are welcome and appreciated.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.08 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 08/11/2010 01:41:52 Why not...
5x Medium Electron Blasters
1x MWD 1x Point 1x Web
1x 1600 1x DCU 1x EANM 1x NANO 1x Magstab
1x Powergrid Rig 2x Trimarks
Works just as wekk I hear?
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.11.08 06:00:00 -
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[Thorax, New Setup 2] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5 I guess 200's could work also. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.08 07:20:00 -
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Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:
[Thorax, Solo] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1 -----------
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.11.08 07:40:00 -
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I've never quite understood putting small blasters (or even ACs) on a Thorax. It's a pointless ship without medium Ions or Neutrons. If you're Gallente and want tank and decent damage, just use a Vexor. If you want (theoretical) face melting dps from a glass cannon then use a Thorax.
I mean I can understand doing stupid stuff with a Moa, or Ferox, or Maller. But it makes no sense to do it with a Thorax. You just end up with a gimp ship. If you have problems applying blaster dps, then use a Vexor or cross-train to a Ruppie instead.
Taxman IX: Risky Venture
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2010.11.08 08:23:00 -
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AUTOCANNON thorax? SO scandalous.
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TaluxA
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Posted - 2010.11.08 08:46:00 -
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Although Merin is really boring the hurricane is basically better than a t1 cruiser, although soloing you'll have a lot of people refusing to engage you - especially frigates. Plus I find the other tier 2 battlecruisers more fun and it's cool to go out in a cruiser for lols every now and then.
I think the big buffer thorax is usually done with small neutrons but 200mm autocannons should work just as well. Use a YT8 microwarp and a t2 scram at least.
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Berendas
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.08 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Berendas on 08/11/2010 08:56:08 How about using medium blasters guns AND a 1600mm plate? Don't see why people insist on flying crap setups.
Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II
Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plate Reactor Control Unit II (works with a t1, but only just)
Hammerhead II x5
Edit: added drones.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.08 08:56:00 -
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@Merin, some people prefer t1 cruisers though, especially since insurance changes the difference is a bit more significant (mainly when they reupdate insurance values, granted that would require CCP to do something they said they would do, so is unlikely).
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff I've never quite understood putting small blasters (or even ACs) on a Thorax. It's a pointless ship without medium Ions or Neutrons. If you're Gallente and want tank and decent damage, just use a Vexor. If you want (theoretical) face melting dps from a glass cannon then use a Thorax.
I mean I can understand doing stupid stuff with a Moa, or Ferox, or Maller. But it makes no sense to do it with a Thorax. You just end up with a gimp ship. If you have problems applying blaster dps, then use a Vexor or cross-train to a Ruppie instead.
This pretty much. There is no reason to fit something besides medium blasters on a thorax, use a vexor if you want that.
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Petrov Kreigt
Caldari Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2010.11.08 09:35:00 -
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Want to use off race guns on an Gallente cruiser? use a vexor
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.11.08 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer @Merin, some people prefer t1 cruisers though, especially since insurance changes the difference is a bit more significant
The second you decide to fit trimarks/acr on cruiser /4-5mil x3/ the difference is gone.
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 11:43:00 -
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Yeah if your gonna fit small guns Ac's are best if you have the skills for them.
I have a Rokh with 8 x 200mm ac's fitted. Huge tank and 2 x gyro , 2 x te's
Its perfect for jumping into frig swarms and swatting them out of the sky.
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Cyniac
Gallente Twilight Star Rangers
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Posted - 2010.11.08 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:
[Thorax, Solo] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
Some things I cannot resist.
WTB - BPO for thorax with a 6/4/8 slot layout.
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.11.08 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Aerilis on 08/11/2010 12:10:20
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:
[Thorax, Solo] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7184903
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.11.08 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aerilis http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7184903
Real men hull tank.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.08 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff I've never quite understood putting small blasters (or even ACs) on a Thorax. It's a pointless ship without medium Ions or Neutrons. If you're Gallente and want tank and decent damage, just use a Vexor. If you want (theoretical) face melting dps from a glass cannon then use a Thorax.
I mean I can understand doing stupid stuff with a Moa, or Ferox, or Maller. But it makes no sense to do it with a Thorax. You just end up with a gimp ship. If you have problems applying blaster dps, then use a Vexor or cross-train to a Ruppie instead.
It makes good bait. You toss small AC or blasters on a Thorax and you can stick 2x 1600s on it. At that point you're talking a BC level tank.
People don't expect a Thorax to tank like that so while the enemy gang is wasting time beating on the thorax you are spending your time killing them.
Makes much better bait than a Maller which everyone knows is bait. A thorax they expect to have lots of DPS and melt instantly so when it doesn't it usually throws people off a bit.
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Ar Zor
Jupiter Force
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Posted - 2010.11.08 14:47:00 -
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If you're going to use undersized weapons and have equal AC and blaster skills, going ACs makes sense.
Note though that the Thorax fits 2x800mm plates (same HP as 1x1600mm plate) and medium electrons, which get a bonus.
No repairer on your fit. Gyro or a third EANM.
I prefer the Vexor for Gallente cruiser with undersized guns. It naturally fits a neut and a 1600mm plate.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cyniac
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:
[Thorax, Solo] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
Some things I cannot resist.
WTB - BPO for thorax with a 6/4/8 slot layout.
Its not a serious Thorax setup its a poor attempt at sarcasm suggesting that noone should bother with the green dong of death and just fly a Hurricane.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan I have a Rokh with 8 x 200mm ac's fitted. Huge tank and 2 x gyro , 2 x te's
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Seriously though, if your going to use anything but medium blasters on a thorax, you may as well just train minny ships and use a rupture, afterall these will be the ships tearing your rax a new one.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:19:00 -
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I don't understand why people don't just use the Vexor for this, since you're only losing 20% of your (now unbonused) turret DPS and gaining a ton of drone ability...
p.s. thanks for your helpful contribution to the thread, Merin!! ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Roosterton
Unlawful Combatants
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff I've never quite understood putting small blasters (or even ACs) on a Thorax. It's a pointless ship without medium Ions or Neutrons. If you're Gallente and want tank and decent damage, just use a Vexor. If you want (theoretical) face melting dps from a glass cannon then use a Thorax.
I mean I can understand doing stupid stuff with a Moa, or Ferox, or Maller. But it makes no sense to do it with a Thorax. You just end up with a gimp ship. If you have problems applying blaster dps, then use a Vexor or cross-train to a Ruppie instead.
It makes good bait. You toss small AC or blasters on a Thorax and you can stick 2x 1600s on it. At that point you're talking a BC level tank.
People don't expect a Thorax to tank like that so while the enemy gang is wasting time beating on the thorax you are spending your time killing them.
Makes much better bait than a Maller which everyone knows is bait. A thorax they expect to have lots of DPS and melt instantly so when it doesn't it usually throws people off a bit.
Except the OP called his fit a solo pvp fit. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.08 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Skex Relbore
It makes good bait. You toss small AC or blasters on a Thorax and you can stick 2x 1600s on it. At that point you're talking a BC level tank.
People don't expect a Thorax to tank like that so while the enemy gang is wasting time beating on the thorax you are spending your time killing them.
Makes much better bait than a Maller which everyone knows is bait. A thorax they expect to have lots of DPS and melt instantly so when it doesn't it usually throws people off a bit.
Except the OP called his fit a solo pvp fit.
I was replying to Vladimir who said he didn't understand why anyone would ever put small blasters on it. Not to the OP specifically.
I was just explaining why one would use a small gun fit. Also if you happened to know you would be facing a high number of frig hulls then it would still be a perfectly valid fit. Or if you were playing docking games.
The point is there are many viable uses for such a fit.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.11.08 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff I've never quite understood putting small blasters (or even ACs) on a Thorax. It's a pointless ship without medium Ions or Neutrons. If you're Gallente and want tank and decent damage, just use a Vexor. If you want (theoretical) face melting dps from a glass cannon then use a Thorax.
I mean I can understand doing stupid stuff with a Moa, or Ferox, or Maller. But it makes no sense to do it with a Thorax. You just end up with a gimp ship. If you have problems applying blaster dps, then use a Vexor or cross-train to a Ruppie instead.
It makes good bait. You toss small AC or blasters on a Thorax and you can stick 2x 1600s on it. At that point you're talking a BC level tank.
People don't expect a Thorax to tank like that so while the enemy gang is wasting time beating on the thorax you are spending your time killing them.
Makes much better bait than a Maller which everyone knows is bait. A thorax they expect to have lots of DPS and melt instantly so when it doesn't it usually throws people off a bit.
Except the OP called his fit a solo pvp fit.
Except the fact that you fail at reading comprehension ---
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.11.08 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Dav Varan I have a Rokh with 8 x 200mm ac's fitted. Huge tank and 2 x gyro , 2 x te's
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Seriously though, if your going to use anything but medium blasters on a thorax, you may as well just train minny ships and use a rupture, afterall these will be the ships tearing your rax a new one.
Too bad the Thorax has 13k more EHP and 50 more DPS. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Ellsmins
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Posted - 2010.11.08 21:05:00 -
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Some very good points all around. I am going to try the ACs on the thorax, but also I think I will try the ACs on the Vexor. At first honestly the reason I wanted thorax over vexor was for looks. The looks of vexor have since grown on me.
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Ringo Jeicha
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Posted - 2010.11.08 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:
[Thorax, Solo] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
WTB thorax with hurricane slot layout. --- Braaaiiinnnsssssssssss |
Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.09 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Dav Varan I have a Rokh with 8 x 200mm ac's fitted. Huge tank and 2 x gyro , 2 x te's
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Seriously though, if your going to use anything but medium blasters on a thorax, you may as well just train minny ships and use a rupture, afterall these will be the ships tearing your rax a new one.
Too bad the Thorax has 13k more EHP and 50 more DPS.
because there is only one fit right ?
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Riho
Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.11.09 13:16:00 -
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when i flew thoraxes i used
5 med electrons
mwd, point, web
1600mm plate, rcu, ean, dcu, magstab
worked great :) ---------------------------------- Fighting for something
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.11.09 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ringo Jeicha
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:
[Thorax, Solo] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
WTB thorax with hurricane slot layout.
First you might want to get a clue.
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