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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.08 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: SGT FUNYOUN on 08/11/2010 23:24:09 Ok I posted an idea for a Destroyer class SB a few weeks ago and it went over like a wooden barrel on Niagra Falls... KERAACK!!! SPLAT!
So I revamped the concept and this is what I came up with.
Destroyer has 8 high slots. Fill with 1 COV OPS cloak, 1 Bomb Launcher, and 4-6 missle launchers; whichever number would not be OVERPOWERED. If it only has 4 then the other 2 can be some sort of reppers or targeters or salvagers or whatever and it could carry Torpedoes. If 6 missle launchers then maybe no Torps. It needs a slightly larger cargohold than a normal Destroyer; Not huge bigger just a little bigger.
What do you think. Post a reply please. But please no trolls. Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
Nomistrav
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Posted - 2010.11.08 23:32:00 -
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What I think is that with it's sig radius any BS gang will just laugh at it before it can fire =3
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Commander Funyoun
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Posted - 2010.11.08 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Funyoun on 08/11/2010 23:34:28 COV OPS cloak dude. Cuts the SIG Radius down by half when cloaked. when it decloaks it rains unholy fire on any unsuspecting victims.
SB's are not a fight on their own ship. They scout then they attack weaker targets or get annihalated. Or they call in their buddies and let them take on the BS Gank squad.
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Nomistrav
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Posted - 2010.11.08 23:39:00 -
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Alright let's say you have 100 battleships.
You have a 1-2% of getting a wrecking shot (I think) every time you fire.
So at least one or two of those battleships are going to massacre your Stealth Destroyer, I've seen Dramiels and regular SBs get totally annihilated before they had time to react by a BS gang.
Sure, I guess it would work in Low Sec but I don't think you can use bombs in low sec soooo...Yeah...Drones would still be your worst nightmare..
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Commander Funyoun
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Posted - 2010.11.08 23:46:00 -
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Ok dude you are missing one obvious point here. ANY MORON who attacks a fleet that has more than one BS using a single SB by himself is ASKING to lose HIS POD FOR BEING SO STUPID.
SB's are for scouting alone and flying GROUP Bomb Runs. Anyone who thinks a single SB is the kill all that will stomp a 10-20 BS fleet is either stupid or insane.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.09 01:11:00 -
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How bout HAM Launchers, it could be a cruiser killer. With similat bonuses to range it can hit out safly like the Stealth Bombers Torps.
Also I remember the first Steath Dessie Thread(way way overpowered)...
But hey this isn't bad and not a Acme Wall-O-Text post \o/ Yay!
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Paul Clavet
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.11.09 06:51:00 -
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Have them launch cruise missiles, like bombers used to do. Bonus to explosion velocity and radius to have more impact on frigates.
This only makes sense. Destroyers are intended as anti-frig platforms, so have destroyer-hull bombers continue in this tradition.
Of course they should still be fragile. Their proper place would be as anti-frig platforms within traditional fleets or something to make frig pilots think twice about charging into a stealth bomber fleet. ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears |
Xorv
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Posted - 2010.11.09 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: SGT FUNYOUN
What do you think. Post a reply please. But please no trolls.
I think you need to get away from the idea of simply a larger version of the existing stealth bomber. Whatever, your destroyer bomber idea is, it should fill a role that is distinct from the existing stealth bomber. Also something that is needed. Something that is anti cap ship or anti blob (stealth bomber kind of helps here, but could use more) would be ideal... of course coming up with something that is balanced and effective is probably not so easy.
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Commander Funyoun
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Posted - 2010.11.20 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Clavet Have them launch cruise missiles, like bombers used to do. Bonus to explosion velocity and radius to have more impact on frigates.
This only makes sense. Destroyers are intended as anti-frig platforms, so have destroyer-hull bombers continue in this tradition.
Of course they should still be fragile. Their proper place would be as anti-frig platforms within traditional fleets or something to make frig pilots think twice about charging into a stealth bomber fleet.
Ok I actually like this idea some. ANd yes they must still be fragile. I am still kind of looking for a blob buster though. The main reason I say 4 torp launchers.
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Reddx Panther
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Posted - 2010.11.20 17:33:00 -
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Don't see how your destroyer class SB introduces a new role. SB is a glass cannon, and this destroyer will be a slightly more glassy cannon with slightly more damage. But I'm with you, i'd like to see a second T2 destroyer.
How changing your stealth destroyer to become a 'Capital Ship Buster'? Something like 250% more dps than SB against capital ships, but much less damage against BS down.
Make it able to fit 2 bomb launchers and citadel torp launchers:
5 high slots = 2 citadel torp, 2 bomb launcher, covops cloak
+BIG cargohold for lots of bombs, maybe a separate bomb cargo hold.
Example Role bonus: +50% damage for citadel torp +50% Explosion radius for bombs
7.5% ROF/Damage bonus for citadel torps per destroyer skill level Add a racial bomb/torpedo damage bonus like for stealth bombers
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iKill Giants
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.20 18:31:00 -
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Eight HAM launchers. ---------
People always ask me for my Rupture fit after I blow up their Abaddon. |
Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2010.11.21 06:44:00 -
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I support this idea , there is something missing in the Stealth / Submarine type ships, also a tech one stealth bomber , and a special bounty hunting ship.
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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Reddx Panther Don't see how your destroyer class SB introduces a new role. SB is a glass cannon, and this destroyer will be a slightly more glassy cannon with slightly more damage. But I'm with you, i'd like to see a second T2 destroyer.
How changing your stealth destroyer to become a 'Capital Ship Buster'? Something like 250% more dps than SB against capital ships, but much less damage against BS down.
Make it able to fit 2 bomb launchers and citadel torp launchers:
5 high slots = 2 citadel torp, 2 bomb launcher, covops cloak
+BIG cargohold for lots of bombs, maybe a separate bomb cargo hold.
Example Role bonus: +50% damage for citadel torp +50% Explosion radius for bombs
7.5% ROF/Damage bonus for citadel torps per destroyer skill level Add a racial bomb/torpedo damage bonus like for stealth bombers
Ok unfortunately I tried to get people on board about 2 bomb launchers but most said it would be too overpowered. So that is why i said only 1 bomb launcher. Now on the number of high slots; destroyers have 8 high slots. That is one of the things that makes a destroyer so good at killing frigs.
Now I do agree that a T1 SB is needed. I say that the 8 high slots of a T1 Dessy class SB should fit a cloak, 6 Seige type Torp launchers, and 1 bomb launcher. Now to make it better it needs a small boost to the bomb launcher ROF... say about 5-10 seconds faster reload time, and maybe a 20 KM boost to its range. That would give it a bomb launcher range of 50 KM instead of the standard 30.
Now for a T2 Dessy SB then yes the Capital Torp launchers would be best, but the Capital Torps would not really need too many bonuses because they are already pretty bad a**. It would still have 8 high slots though.
So what do you think. Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
Commander Funyoun
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Posted - 2011.01.08 16:24:00 -
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Well I think I am going to send this up to the GM's now. Anybody know how to do that?
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Anubis Xian
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.08 17:04:00 -
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Let it use Capital Launchers.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Commander Funyoun
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Posted - 2011.01.08 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian Let it use Capital Launchers.
A few Players have suggested this. I suppose it would be better with Cap Launchers. Any other suggestions?
Also does anyone know how to get this idea straight to the GM's?
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Shin Dari
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Posted - 2011.01.08 18:11:00 -
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Why not have a destroyer that can mount 8 large smart bombs with reduced cap use and a ROF bonus?
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Commander Funyoun
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Posted - 2011.01.09 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Dari
Why not have a destroyer that can mount 8 large smart bombs with reduced cap use and a ROF bonus?
While this might be great for doing decloaking runs it would pretty much suck for anything else. But yes I would like such an idea too.
But the point of this thread is the Dessy Class SB.
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Shin Dari
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Posted - 2011.01.09 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Funyoun
Originally by: Shin Dari
Why not have a destroyer that can mount 8 large smart bombs with reduced cap use and a ROF bonus?
While this might be great for doing decloaking runs it would pretty much suck for anything else. But yes I would like such an idea too.
But the point of this thread is the Dessy Class SB.
It could be, have 1 cov cloak and 7 large smart bomb in the high slots. Sneak into a cruiser/frigate blob and trigger the smart bombs. Maybe it should also have a radius and damage bonus.....
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Real Poison
Minmatar Stormlord Battleforce Vanguard.
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Posted - 2011.01.09 16:40:00 -
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how about this:
Covert Interdictor
as a variety, can not use bubble launcher but can use the generator from the heavy interdictors.
power requirement though limit the range to like 5km radius still poor EHP will assure it won't be overpowered.
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Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar Instapop Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.09 21:35:00 -
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I actually don't have a problem with a "heavy bomber" concept (think B-29), but no to the cloak.
A destroyer as a "heavy bomber" should mount 2-3 bomb launchers, have a very strong tank and anti-frig/drone (small guns/light missiles) capability. It should probably bit a bit slower than current destroyers. |
Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar Rebirth.
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Posted - 2011.01.10 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lemmy Kravitz on 10/01/2011 07:50:14 Edited by: Lemmy Kravitz on 10/01/2011 07:47:36 meh, assault stealth bomber, dessie hull, fits cov ops cloak. 4 torps, 2 bombs and 1 cov ops cloak 1 utillity.
leave everything about the dessie the same, except give it same bonus as stealth bomber and enough cpu and pw to fit all that.
makes it scary when it uncloaks and launches two bombs, but because it's a dessie, it should be lol's make sure that it's epensive to make it like 100mil creds expensive hull only. ------------------------------------------------- "Vae Victis" -Brennus |
SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.24 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Dari
Why not have a destroyer that can mount 8 large smart bombs with reduced cap use and a ROF and range bonus?
Originally by: Real Poison how about this:
Covert Interdictor
as a variety, can not use bubble launcher but can use the generator from the heavy interdictors.
power requirement though limit the range to like 5km radius still poor EHP will assure it won't be overpowered.
Ok I am digging both of these ideas. How about another... anyone else have a cool new idea? I have kind of given up on the Dessy Class SB idea. Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
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