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Hammer Borne
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.08.07 13:40:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:Having multiple accounts gives a player a tremendous edge, in particular if you diversify the character skilling and get involved in a number of "projects" at once. I can honestly say that I make about 10 times more ISK with 2 accounts than I would with 1 account on a daily basis. The applications of having a second account go far beyond scout alts. . Not entirely correct. I made more with 2 accounts then a lot of people with 3 , 4 or even 7 accounts.Currently i have 4 accounts and make less then when i only had 2 accounts 2 years ago , it depends what the characters on the account are for and what you are doing in general as a way of income. You can make as much isk with 1 account as with multiple depending on how you make your isk.Having a 2nd account just makes it a bit easier in certain areas. Cyno alt , scout alt , trade alt to be able to compare 2 regions at the same time etc.But saying the more accounts you have the more isk you by definition make is totally wrong.
The post you quoted was entirely correct. You confused it and took it to an extreme. 2 accounts = more safety (scout), more isk (mining, hauling, missions, whatever). It is undeniable. Sure, there is a point at which more accounts may not equate more isk, but that wasnt the original point you quoted and took to an extreme. |
Thronde
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:56:00 -
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8 years, (mostly) 1 account/character.
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Steel Wraith
53
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:24:00 -
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Since returning to the game and creating this character/account in mid '09, I've played with a single character on a signle account and have enjoyed it very much. I'm of the opinion that we'd be playing a better game if everyone was limited to a single character but I understand that this is an unrealistic, likely minority dream.
The main benefit I've seen is that the game is more immersive with just one character as you can assume your character's identity more readily. A side benefit, or perhaps a con depending on your preference, is that you experience the various aspects of the game more slowly as you are skill-point limited. Take my opinion with a grain of salt as much of my time since character creation, although always subbed, has been spent away from game and not in active player corps.
Another benefit - Players must rely on other players instead of having swarms of single-minded hulks.
Some cons:
- Specialization is more costly - must generalize so that you can still accomplish things by your lonesome.
- Some things can't really be done by yourself, such as wormholes, so to experience parts of the game you must work with other players.
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Boseo
Azure Horizon
68
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:47:00 -
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I have also only ever played with one account, some of this is in part to not having the finance to pay for 2 accounts (before plex was traded in game) and then it was due to lack of gaming time because of pesky RL. But it was fun, and makes you look for different ways of doing things.
When I finally get time to come back, I may get a second account though.
Sorry but file Gǣforumsig.GIFGǥ is currently unavailable please come back laterGǪGǪ like in a year or so.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1251
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:52:00 -
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Steel Wraith wrote:Another benefit - Players must rely on other players instead of having swarms of single-minded hulks. Whoa whoa, you mean blobbing ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Cpt Arareb
Ideal Machine Academy
32
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:56:00 -
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only cpt arareb here,and, I have fun |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1612
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:06:00 -
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As long as they force me to have alts only to use this gay Cyno mechanic to prevent rifters-online from becomming jumpdrives online.... no. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1304
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:13:00 -
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Nearly 4 years in and still a one man show. Played a bit in low and null alone too :D The Drake is a Lie |
Charles Baker
Federal Mineral Acquisition VORTEX RISING
185
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:17:00 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Yeah getting stuck with the boring duties would suck badly if you only had one account. Ill second the scalability of multiple accounts in terms of isk generation over multiple avenues. Some suit themselves better to more accounts while some less. I know Id be bored out of my tree if I had to only run one account now.
Its not something enforceable and I though I think even from an RP perspective itd add a huge volume of depth and accountability to a person its just not feasible to do. Thered be no more scamming alts, pirating would be the only thing you could do and sec status would mean something again as well as a LOT of other things. What would be lost instantly are spies and corporate espionage as a whole with API requirements as well as cyno alts for capital toons. So tbh a vast majority of the nefarious actions that CCP encourages would be broken right off the bat if they could enforce it somehow.
Player turnover would be higher as youd be stuck in your character more and a bad decision, like real life, would follow you around forever. So someone just out for the lolz of something wouldnt stick around after the funny aspect has worn off and they cant do anything with the toon for whatever reason and being locked out of content due to actions in game.
Hardly, it just means that pirates, Awoxers, scammers and that would gain a reputation. |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
139
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:23:00 -
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lol at all these people in here who don't have friends and have to use alts how does it suck playing alone in this vast universe? |
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
27
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:36:00 -
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Depends your play style. 15 years or so of scout/ranger/assassin type (whatsa toooon?) chars, you guess how many accounts I need. Yeeees, pref hard mode ;) |
XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
3
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sure it could.
It would just be impossible to enforce.
There is a restriction in place that prevents a trial account and subscribed account from being logged on at the same time on the same pc. They could easily extend that to subscribed accounts. However, CCP is in the business to make money. So don't hold your breath waiting or hoping for such a restriction to come about. The more active accounts there are the more money CCP makes, aside from the ones who plex their accounts in game.
The only multiboxing advantage I believe should be restricted in some way is neutral RR.
Alt scouting I'm ok with, and if you can successfully pvp with two combat toonsthen more power to you. Micro managing multiple screens in a fight can get hairy. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8924
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:47:00 -
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XxRTEKxX wrote:There is a restriction in place that prevents a trial account and subscribed account from being logged on at the same time on the same pc. They could easily extend that to subscribed accounts. I don't know about you, but I have four devices able to play EVE in this room aloneGǪ
GǪso even if they tried to cut down on multiboxing (which they wouldn't for the reasons you list), they still wouldn't be able to enforce one character per player: it would have to be one character per IP, which would restrict multi-player households and any other networked with a shared external address (and which would only inconvenience people in networks who want to play without actually stopping those who want to run multiple charactersGǪ so we're back to square one). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
3
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:XxRTEKxX wrote:There is a restriction in place that prevents a trial account and subscribed account from being logged on at the same time on the same pc. They could easily extend that to subscribed accounts. I don't know about you, but I have four devices able to play EVE in this room aloneGǪ GǪso even if they tried to cut down on multiboxing (which they wouldn't for the reasons you list), they still wouldn't be able to enforce one character per player: it would have to be one character per IP, which would restrict multi-player households and any other networked with a shared external address (and which would only inconvenience people in networks who want to play without actually stopping those who want to run multiple charactersGǪ so we're back to square one).
Yeah it would have to be ip restrictive. |
Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
74
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:43:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:lol at all these people in here who don't have friends and have to use alts how does it suck playing alone in this vast universe?
I apologize for my fellow Alliance members language.
I have 2 Accounts one for Indy and one for PvP and PvE |
Roc Wieler
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:43:00 -
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There is only Roc Wieler. I don't think this universe could handle more of me. Never start a fight you can win.
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
127
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:19:00 -
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been playing EVE for 7 years one this one character, never had any problems doing anything, all ya need is friends. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
435
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sure it could.
It would just be impossible to enforce.
This, cost will overrule practicality. And just like any laws. They keep the honest people honest but if someone really wants to break the rules they will. So who really would get punished for such a rule.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
171
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:42:00 -
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I'm a one character kind of guy. I made a second account and can hardly bring myself to play it. I'll probably get rid of if soon in fact.
I find it much more fun, immersive and interesting to play on 1 character. Sure, I actually need friends to do certain things, but to me, it is a small price to pay for the unique experience of having my character represent 'me' in this galaxy. No other game that I have played comes this close to that feeling. I personally believe Eve would be a much better game if it were somehow possible to limit things to 1 character per person. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
75
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:52:00 -
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Troll posts removed, please remember to post responsibly folks - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Pankas Carter
Viziam Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:56:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:I'm a one character kind of guy. I made a second account and can hardly bring myself to play it. I'll probably get rid of if soon in fact.
I find it much more fun, immersive and interesting to play on 1 character. Sure, I actually need friends to do certain things, but to me, it is a small price to pay for the unique experience of having my character represent 'me' in this galaxy. No other game that I have played comes this close to that feeling. I personally believe Eve would be a much better game if it were somehow possible to limit things to 1 character per person.
Agreed.
All these tactics of using alts for things is cheating, IMO.
You can't be in more than one place at once. Why should your avatar? Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat. |
Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
60
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:51:00 -
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Pankas Carter wrote:Maxpie wrote:I'm a one character kind of guy. I made a second account and can hardly bring myself to play it. I'll probably get rid of if soon in fact.
I find it much more fun, immersive and interesting to play on 1 character. Sure, I actually need friends to do certain things, but to me, it is a small price to pay for the unique experience of having my character represent 'me' in this galaxy. No other game that I have played comes this close to that feeling. I personally believe Eve would be a much better game if it were somehow possible to limit things to 1 character per person. Agreed. All these tactics of using alts for things is cheating, IMO. You can't be in more than one place at once. Why should your avatar? I don't think it's cheating - that's my own opinion, obviously. If you have two avatars, well, then obviously you can be in two places at once. It's just kind of spurious to say you can only control one because that's how it is in real life. In real life, you die and you're dead. You can't respawn from a clone.
I've never been a single toon kind of person - I enjoy many aspects of games and typically the only way to do that is to have several toons.
Eve isn't really an exception because while you can train everything on one toon, it's harder to enjoy two different playstyles simultaneously on the same toon because of the skill time. I'm not saying the skill time is bad! I just think it makes it easier to say have an industry toon on one account and a missioner, say, on another.
I don't think it's any different or "cheating" to have extra accounts to do things like scouting /me shrugs. It's a paid for account supporting the game, and as long as it's not a RMT or something like that, I'm fine with it.
Anyway just my two cents.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1252
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:56:00 -
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Korsiri wrote:Pankas Carter wrote:All these tactics of using alts for things is cheating, IMO.
You can't be in more than one place at once. Why should your avatar? I don't think it's cheating - that's my own opinion, obviously. I think it's CCP's as well. Look at the Power of Two description/"ad" when it comes around again. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:20:00 -
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I bought a second account with the 'power of two' offer earlier this year.
Poor soul is going rusty from lack of use.
My original account is enough for me. You want fries with that? |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:48:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I bought a second account with the 'power of two' offer earlier this year.
Poor soul is going rusty from lack of use.
My original account is enough for me.
I agree. The game is a lot more fun concentrating on one character and interacting with other real players. Two or more accounts tends to make you antisocial and it feels like a job.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
21
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:39:00 -
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I played with one account for a couple years and made a second account merely to free this one from any 'Isk generating duties' so that I may play as fast or slow (most often very slow) as I'd like.
I think EVE could work just fine as a 1-account-per-person game provided there was some redesign done for some features... I've little to no interest in flying supercapitals but I imagine it'd be extremely aggrevating without at least some changes. But as has already been indicated, it's not technically feasible. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1254
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:04:00 -
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Rented wrote:I played with one account for a couple years and made a second account merely to free this one from any 'Isk generating duties' so that I may play as fast or slow (most often very slow) as I'd like.
I think EVE could work just fine as a 1-account-per-person game provided there was some redesign done for some features... I've little to no interest in flying supercapitals but I imagine it'd be extremely aggrevating without at least some changes. But as has already been indicated, it's not technically feasible. You mean never logging on? Yeah, space coffins are like that sometimes. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
254
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Posted - 2012.08.08 01:48:00 -
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I roll with one account. The only problem is the lack of independence that comes with having multiple accounts. But at the end of the day you just gotta find people to help you with the parts you'd use alts for. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.08.08 04:40:00 -
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Charles Baker wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Yeah getting stuck with the boring duties would suck badly if you only had one account. Ill second the scalability of multiple accounts in terms of isk generation over multiple avenues. Some suit themselves better to more accounts while some less. I know Id be bored out of my tree if I had to only run one account now.
Its not something enforceable and I though I think even from an RP perspective itd add a huge volume of depth and accountability to a person its just not feasible to do. Thered be no more scamming alts, pirating would be the only thing you could do and sec status would mean something again as well as a LOT of other things. What would be lost instantly are spies and corporate espionage as a whole with API requirements as well as cyno alts for capital toons. So tbh a vast majority of the nefarious actions that CCP encourages would be broken right off the bat if they could enforce it somehow.
Player turnover would be higher as youd be stuck in your character more and a bad decision, like real life, would follow you around forever. So someone just out for the lolz of something wouldnt stick around after the funny aspect has worn off and they cant do anything with the toon for whatever reason and being locked out of content due to actions in game. Hardly, it just means that pirates, Awoxers, scammers and that would gain a reputation. That would be the flip side. But once known your target selection becomes almost null and void. Youd get your one big scam or awox and then youd be history and noone would ever talk to you again or let you join their corp. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
166
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Posted - 2012.08.08 04:52:00 -
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1 account per person would make things interesting, I'd think a ton of services that are easily done by alts more or less removed would add a lot of player niches. but at the same time I'd say a whole bunch of those are also boring as hell.
I'd say I'm at the point where I could probably drop down to one character rather comfortably. and I only really use 2 at a time. I'd probably have to train a few industry skills, I'm pretty proud of my 250 industry sp, but I guess I could live with ruining that. but at the same time I'm not sure I'd want to see it go one account/character only. mulitboxing seems to be here to stay in the mmo world. |
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