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Shiro Kotaki
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.14 14:30:00 -
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So we know the Amarr are deeply religious and the things they believe. We also know the Minmatar practise somwhat shamanistic rituals etc. (I think) But what do the Caldari and the Gallente believe? Do they even believe anything at all? Or are they completely atheistic or perhaps agnostic or they just don't care anymore? (they must have had some kind of religious beliefs when they were still developing on their worlds, I think it's human nature to seek answers in the heavens when science can't provide answers yet)
Also caldari and amarr aren't friends because the caldari have sympathy for the Amarr beliefs right?
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Berneh
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.11.14 14:32:00 -
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move this thread somewhere else.
far away.
anywhere but here.
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Jhoria Englside
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Posted - 2010.11.14 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Shiro Kotaki practise somwhat
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Originally by: CCP Zym
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Jenny Hawk
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.14 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Shiro Kotaki Also caldari and amarr aren't friends because the caldari have sympathy for the Amarr beliefs right?
No .. Caldari worship Mannon (money) and Gallente worship Bacchus (they're basically hedonists) afaik.
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.11.14 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Shiro Kotaki
Also caldari and amarr aren't friends because the caldari have sympathy for the Amarr beliefs right?
They have a mutual appreciation for wanting the Gallente to leave them the hell alone.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.11.14 15:05:00 -
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The Amarr pray for strength. The Gallente pray for peace. The Caldari pray for profit. TThe Minmatar pray their ships won't fall apart. ___________
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.11.14 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash The Amarr pray for strength. The Gallente pray for peace. The Caldari pray for profit. TThe Minmatar pray their ships won't fall apart.
/thread.
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Shiro Kotaki
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.14 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash The Amarr pray for strength. The Gallente pray for peace. The Caldari pray for profit. TThe Minmatar pray their ships won't fall apart.
ty lol
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.14 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shiro Kotaki So we know the Amarr are deeply religious and the things they believe. We also know the Minmatar practise somwhat shamanistic rituals etc. (I think) But what do the Caldari and the Gallente believe? Do they even believe anything at all? Or are they completely atheistic or perhaps agnostic or they just don't care anymore? (they must have had some kind of religious beliefs when they were still developing on their worlds, I think it's human nature to seek answers in the heavens when science can't provide answers yet)
Also caldari and amarr aren't friends because the caldari have sympathy for the Amarr beliefs right?
Caldari believe in ISK Gallente believe in democracy
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Shiro Kotaki
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.14 15:50:00 -
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Yeah but I'm talking *religion* here... not just belief, but actual deities?
I just read this chronicle: http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=03-dec-01 with talk of Caldari believing in a "Maker"?
Quote: ...the warmonger corporations forced the CEOs of the other corporations to perform the Tea Maker Ceremony. The CEOs had to drink poisoned tea; if the Maker looked favorably upon them they would be saved, otherwise their crimes would be confirmed by their deaths.
So the Caldari have a monotheistic religion as well?
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.14 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 14/11/2010 16:02:46
Originally by: Shiro Kotaki Yeah but I'm talking *religion* here... not just belief, but actual deities?
I've read something about religions in the backstory, but that was a long time ago. Sadly, I don't have time to read it again.
However, I think I remember that Gallente have some religion too. Well, not all Galenteans have the same deities, since they are a federation of many nations. Intaki, for example have a unique religion and believe in reincarnation. There are also some cults and sects that are relevant.
Aenebra Cult A post about Intaki Religion
Hope this helps a bit.
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Doddy
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.14 16:59:00 -
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There is no reason to think that either the caldari or the gallente have a single religeon. Both are entire planetary populations who have reinvented civlisation from the ground up, the are perfectly capable of having all sorts of religeons within each civilisation (and sub-civvilisation such as intaki), as well as aetheism etc. Some may even follow the amarr religeon, or minmatar spiritual beleifs (which themselves could vary greatly)), even the amarr have cult variations in their faith. All in all each of the caldari/gallente races could easily have as many religeons as earth and yet have secular government.
Just because they are secular doesn't mean they are all aetheists -> you could hardly say that about earth could you?
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Nicholas Barker
Diabolus Ex Machina
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Posted - 2010.11.14 17:04:00 -
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This Chronicle is either some Caldari religious thing, or just an old tale/myth. ------
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.11.14 17:07:00 -
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Caldari and Gallente would probably be most closely defined as humanist.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.14 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 14/11/2010 18:31:16 Amarr = Bible bashing god fearing americans from alabama Caldari = Wall street Gallente = democrats on captial hill Minmatar = illegal immigrants living in usa Jovian = MIT Engineering students
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NewGit
Caldari Rusty Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.15 00:41:00 -
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Hmmmm, I sense an isk-making opportunity here. Create a new religion, with race specific Deities (say Warren Buffet for the Caldari, and the Eternal Soap Dodger for the Gallente). Offer the usual carrot/stick (pleasure/pain, salvation/damnation, etc), spice it up with some fables, lot of (fine print) rules and then start reaping the rewards (hey, it worked for Scientology and a number of other religions) ! Especially when we get WiS. I should start planning/designing various places of worship. Probably make more isk than all the brothels/gambling dens combined ! Value-added services could include: Blessings for ships (rates based on size/type/tier/etc) Marriage Ceremonies (wanna marry that cute alt of yours ?) Funeral Ceremonies (for podded pilots and those that want to emoragequit after getting turned down by the brothel workers)
This could be the biggest money maker in the history of Eve ! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.11.15 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: NewGit Marriage Ceremonies (wanna marry that cute alt of yours ?)
Ewwww! Only a Gallente would think about that! ___________
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Ebisu Kami
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Posted - 2010.11.15 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 15/11/2010 06:29:53 If Caldari believe in gods, then it's most likely a monotheistic religion and they do not really worship that hypothetical god, but sincerely hate it for trapping 99.99999% of their population into a life of misery and corporation-slavery.
Gallente do not have any universal religous belief. Instead every single Gallente believes in what s/he feels like. This changes every day at dawn or dusk, sometimes both at dawn and dusk.
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Vikarion
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.15 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ebisu Kami Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 15/11/2010 06:29:53 If Caldari believe in gods, then it's most likely a monotheistic religion and they do not really worship that hypothetical god, but sincerely hate it for trapping 99.99999% of their population into a life of misery and corporation-slavery.
Prime fiction is that the majority of Caldari have living standards equivalent to those of the Gallente. Go check out the Caldari race descriptions and so forth.
As far as religion goes, Caldari seem to be monotheist (belief in the "maker") with elements of spiritism/animism added (ancestors, personification of elemental forces, etc). They're also private about their religion, there's an NPC quotation somewhere with a Caldari saying that religion has no place in business dealings or some such. I imagine that would be rather anathema to the Amarr, interestingly enough. - - -
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Ebisu Kami
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Prime fiction is that the majority of Caldari have living standards equivalent to those of the Gallente. Go check out the Caldari race descriptions and so forth.
That is only state-propaganda. A large majority of Caldari citizens live in de-fakto slavery, as corp assets and in relative poverty or induced poverty by beeing forced to buy their own corporation's overpriced products, especially on the "average worker"-level. That's why the people were so suspectible to Tibus Heth
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:13:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
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Amarrian Alt
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Posted - 2010.11.15 18:01:00 -
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lawl nubs and i thought its obvious
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.15 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 18:20:45 Urreligon
The Vedic Varna Class Structure
Brahmins = Clergy = Amarr Kshatriyas = Warriors - Administrators = Caldari Vaishyas = agriculturists, artisans and merchants = Gallente Shudras = Laborers = Minmatar
Analogy is a big part of nomenclature in Eve, christianity seems totally absent, as is any linear time progression cosmology.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.15 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Doddy There is no reason to think that either the caldari or the gallente have a single religeon. Both are entire planetary populations who have reinvented civlisation from the ground up, the are perfectly capable of having all sorts of religeons within each civilisation (and sub-civvilisation such as intaki), as well as aetheism etc. Some may even follow the amarr religeon, or minmatar spiritual beleifs (which themselves could vary greatly)), even the amarr have cult variations in their faith. All in all each of the caldari/gallente races could easily have as many religeons as earth and yet have secular government.
Just because they are secular doesn't mean they are all aetheists -> you could hardly say that about earth could you?
It's Atheism meaning a lack of theism not Aetheism meaning I have no ****ing idea what.
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Vikarion
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.16 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 16/11/2010 03:38:59
Originally by: Ebisu Kami
Originally by: Vikarion Prime fiction is that the majority of Caldari have living standards equivalent to those of the Gallente. Go check out the Caldari race descriptions and so forth.
That is only state-propaganda. A large majority of Caldari citizens live in de-fakto slavery, as corp assets and in relative poverty or induced poverty by beeing forced to buy their own corporation's overpriced products, especially on the "average worker"-level. That's why the people were so suspectible to Tibus Heth
You do realize that that's pretty much contrary to everything CCP has said about the Caldari? True, TonyG portrayed bad working conditions for some Caldari, but not all, and that was in the middle of an economic recession.
The Caldari State is portrayed as the most innovative and productive of all the empires (although the Gallente Fed. has a larger economy, due to its size, as does the Amarr Empire, I believe, and while life isn't free in terms of social freedoms (i.e., for homosexuality, anti-capitalist ideological agitation, non-traditional values, etc) it is portrayed as fairly libertarian in terms of economics, often having Ayn-Rand-ian-overtones. Citizens aren't just "corporate assets", but can own property, stock, and change employers, and millions of smaller companies fall under the aegis of the 8 megas.
Also, has it occurred to anyone who thinks that the megas keep their citizens in "poverty" as to how stupid that would be for them to do? How are they going to sell their goods to their own citizens if their own citizens can't buy them? This is as foolish as saying that CCP will pay its employees badly so that they'll only buy Eve.
Ridiculous.
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