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Mike712
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Posted - 2010.11.16 18:10:00 -
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Raven is easily the best all rounder on a budget due to beeing able to field enough tank for all level 4s, it also has great damage projection and selectable damage type.
Here's the setup I'd suggest:
[Raven, Lv4 Raven] Expanded Cargohold II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Shield Boost Amplifier I Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/46033-Cheap-Lv4-Raven.html
Regards Mike712 The BattleClinic Team
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.11.16 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jonah Sands but I'm just trying to see if I can garner a little less attention.
Then you need to get away from the mission hubs. Every race has an oddball npc corp or two that has a good to excellent level 4 agent deep in high sec that takes a bit of grinding to get to. The catch is usually all the agents you need to grind to get to that one awesome agent are horribly placed and have negative quality. But if you tough it out then you can have a nice underpopulated level 4 agent that doesn't attract the swarms of ninjas and griefers the hubs have.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.16 18:30:00 -
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1. To answer the OP, Drake or Typhoon.
2. giving up billions in opportunity cost to get better LP is ******ed.
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Kassa Daito
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.16 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kassa Daito on 16/11/2010 18:55:18
Originally by: Cipher Jones 1. To answer the OP, Drake or Typhoon.
2. giving up billions in opportunity cost to get better LP is ******ed.
1) Ravens, CNRs, Dominix, and Navy Domis will outperform both those against most rats due to either higher base damage or higher range and they aren't that expensive. 2) Investing billions (you can always resell it later unless you lose it) into performing your primary occupation (ISK-earning activity) faster isn't. Investing billions into negligible improvements is stupid but a Golem or CNR beats a Drake by plenty enough to justify the investment.
@ the OP: A T2-fit (non-Kronos) marauder or certain pirate battleships with 2 of the damage mods factioned and a faction or C-type repairer/booster is about the cutoff point for reasonable investment. Anything more and the benefit is marginal while increasing the chances of loss to gankers. The people who mission in 4+ billion ISK ships are doing so because they have far too much ISK and enjoy seeing how fast you can possibly run missions; not because it produces a worthwhile ROI. ** Disclaimer: Author sometimes spell checks but is not responsible for sins of commission, omission, emission, transmission, or submission. Flowers, bricks, or any other form of feedback appreciated |
Minerva Vulcan
Caldari Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2010.11.16 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mike712
[Raven, Lv4 Raven] Expanded Cargohold II
...what?
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.11.16 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Originally by: Mike712
[Raven, Lv4 Raven] Expanded Cargohold II
...what?
For the cap charges.
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Jonah Sands
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Posted - 2010.11.16 21:10:00 -
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How many Cap Booster 800 charges would you keep in your hold?
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Altaica Amur
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.11.16 21:14:00 -
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Quote: Have some people not successfully used Hurricanes or Myrmidons? Passive shield tanked, even?
A passive myrmidon has a tank nearly as good as a drake, better if you don't have battlecruiser V if it still had the 125 m3 drone bay it would be a shoe-in for best cheap missioning ship.
As is I think the dominix is probably the best of the suggestions offered, particularly since it allows you to salvage as you go and make things even less appealing to salvage ninjas and such.
Also some good points are made regarding the raven and cnr providing too much of an isk/hr advantage to be worth turning down in the long run, consider this when making your choice or better yet try both and see what you like.
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Devil tiger
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Posted - 2010.11.16 21:14:00 -
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after 2000 charges -as many as you can squeeze. There's never enough when you REALLY need them and you only need them when you have F*cked up something real bad.
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Nons Mom
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Posted - 2010.11.16 22:51:00 -
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Here's what I run,
Sleipnir
7x T2 425mm ACs (T1 ammo, faction ammo requires you to be nearly 100% efficient in order for it to pay off so meh. Barrage only adds 12km(?) to your fallout, which is meh) 1x Tractor/Salvage or HAM/HML for albit more dps
1x XL CN SB (the T2 variant won't fit the fitting requirements, and it ain't that expensive) 1x T2 Invul. Field 1x T2 Shield Hardener (Rat specfic, note that sleipnir has a kinetic hole for its shields, not EM) 1x RF 10Mn AB (not expensive) 1x T2 Medium Cap Booster (800)
3x RF gyros (WORTH IT) 2x T2 TEs
5x T2 Warriors
The above fit cost me just under 500 million (with some market/contract playing). This was an huge upgrade compared to my mael, not in terms of efficiency but in terms of FUN. Most ninjas I've seen only scan for battleships in hope of finding those stupid +2bil fittings, so it's unlikely this fitting will grab you a lot of attention. Sure, this isn't more efficient than half the mission ship fittings out there, and there's a few missions I wouldn't risk this baby in (ie smash the supplier).
But by the gods, this ship is holy-crap FUN and I mean --> FUN <--. It has good dps (650ish) and a beast of a tank. Speed is decent. Cap stability is overrated, so that's why I went with an XL SB fitting over the cap-stable med SB fittings. Cap boosters are there for the lil tougher missions. I can only fit in at max 13 800 cap boosts, but I boosted my cap only once or twice in all the missions I've done so far. The only times when I need to boost my shields are usually on approach to a group of npcs. Once I start orbiting around a bs. The bs npcs cannot hit me hard AT ALL. It's mostly the cruisers and bcs npcs that can still hit me while I'm orbiting around a bs, so I focus on web/scram frigs, cruisers, bcs, then bs last (some situations vary of course). If you're worried about the cap-stability, don't worry, you shouldn't run out of cap nor the 13 800 cap boosters in 95% of the missions (only if you're doing the mission right).
So great dps, beast of a tank for when you need it, speed tanks wonderfully, and a bad-ass ship model and orgasmic camo. I recommend sleipnir to anyone who is looking for FUN and reasonable efficiency.
Fun > efficiency remember that, young ones.
and man, do I love the command ship benefits. *points at my heated leather seat*
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Lan Staz
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Posted - 2010.11.16 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: rodensteiner Have some people not successfully used Hurricanes or Myrmidons? Passive shield tanked, even?
A passive shield Hurricane can solo almost all L4s if you manage aggro properly, but it takes a lot of time. Myrms also, as noted above.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.11.17 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jonah Sands THAT'S HIM!
*points up*
THAT'S THE BAD MAN THAT MADE ME CRY!
on a "on topic" note, it's not only ganking that I'm worried about. If you were scanning down ships to ninja salvage, and perhaps try to garner some carebear tears, which are you going to warp to: 1. A CNR 2. A Typhoon
From my experience, your going to warp to the CNR, steal from him, and try to get him to agro you (and then call your buddies). Its happened to me, and really, I knew not to shoot him, so it was OK, but I'm just trying to see if I can garner a little less attention.
I'm looking for a sleeper ship...
dude you need go see a doctor or something, that level of paranoia can't be healthy.....
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Typhado3
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.17 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
dude you need go see a doctor or something, that level of paranoia can't be healthy.....
uuuhhhh....
Welcome to EvE, there is never such a thing as too much paranoia ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.11.17 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Typhado3
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
dude you need go see a doctor or something, that level of paranoia can't be healthy.....
uuuhhhh....
Welcome to EvE, there is never such a thing as too much paranoia
better stay docked up then. they gonna come gank you just for "teh lulz"
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2010.11.17 13:58:00 -
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Honestly if you want a mission runner.... Just get a drake.
If you are serious about running missions for profit then consider some research into the bigger stuff like faction Battleships and command ships.
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Lili Lu
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Posted - 2010.11.17 16:10:00 -
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Cheapest - Drake (but sorta boring tbh, and may be getting a much overdue nerf )
More time efficient while less cheap - Raven or Domi (a tech II sentry Domi is the most fun I've found in missions)
possibly a pulse Apoc - a cheap and noob(ish, because tech II large pulses take a fair amount of training) friendly mission runner (if you are getting lots of Blood Raider/Sansha missions) |
Mike712
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Posted - 2010.11.17 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jonah Sands How many Cap Booster 800 charges would you keep in your hold?
Enough for worlds collide, extravaganza missions and a few other longer missions. I've tested that fit and it works perfectly.
Also the cargo expander uses 0 CPU so it fits with very low fitting skills.
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Jonah Sands
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Posted - 2010.11.17 18:06:00 -
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I used that exact fit last night, and I really liked it. I am able to fit about 20-24 800 cap boosters, and that seems to give me what I need for tank. I ran "Gone Berserk" and was able to handle it pretty quickly. Not bad for 200 mil. Plus, if you loot/salvage, you get enough 800 cap boosters, so that you don't really have to keep buying them.
It helped that I moved 14 jumps away to a system with not alot of mission runners/ninja salvagers...
My next step is going to be training an Amarr battleship, so that I never have to buy ammo again.
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.11.17 18:36:00 -
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1. Domi 2. Raven 3. Maelstrom
**** drakes, they suck.
Also, to OP: getting a faction boat with T2 mods > regular boat with faction mods. Reason: a CNR wreck is no good to gankers, a raven wreck with faction gear to loot is.
So to be optimal I would advise using a (T2 fit) golem, vargur, nightmare, machariel or similar. To be completely honest: chances of getting ganked rely more on where you mission at what time than on what you are flying.
So finding a better (more quiet) missioning spot/system/hub should be looked at BEFORE downgrading your ship to something less ganky but also very much so less effective.
(read: 2-3 faction dmg mods are a MUST, faction tank/cap/whatever isn't as important, but boosting your DPS REALLYY is.) __________________________________________________
History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.. |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.20 17:33:00 -
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Quote: 2) Investing billions (you can always resell it later unless you lose it) into performing your primary occupation (ISK-earning activity) faster isn't. Investing billions into negligible improvements is stupid but a Golem or CNR beats a Drake by plenty enough to justify the investment.
You didn't even respond to what I said.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.11.20 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 20/11/2010 17:42:56 Billion isk ships/set ups arent going to attract much attention. Billion isk individual modules might(but usually wont).
A marauder or CNR with faction and deadspace modules is the way to go for cheapness.
EDIT: And if you got the skills you can make a great mission boat out of a Phoon with only modestly expensive gear.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Desya Dak'ann
Caldari Special Space Marines
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Posted - 2010.11.20 19:39:00 -
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Dominix. End. Of. Rule 7: Thou Shalt not whine. |
Yob tvay'matar
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Posted - 2010.11.20 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Yob tvay''matar on 20/11/2010 22:27:01
Originally by: Ghoest Billion isk ships/set ups arent going to attract much attention. Billion isk individual modules might
This
Saying that CNR attracts attention is mega LOL. Been missioning in CNR with 1b worth of modules for over a year *and* a faction fit Machariel and no one wants to gank them, because there are too many ships with 10b worth of officer mods around. Oh, and not missioning in Motsu or Dodixie probably helps too.
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Urgg Boolean
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Posted - 2010.11.21 02:21:00 -
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What do you mean by "cheap" exactly? Cheap operating costs? Or cheap initial expenditure? Ravens/CNR's do the job, but you will spend ISK on missiles (operating costs), and pay more to acquire them (initial outlay).
The Dominix is an inexpensive hull, fit is cheap or cheaper: 1) use no guns/all drones-sentries/tractor-salvage = slow cheap mission running 2) use sentries for range, or blasters (3-4 limited by power grid) + medium drones for the super those close range BS's that are slow to take out with Gardes. I use Mega Modal Neutron Blasters and Lead ammo to start whacking BS's at 20km (support skillz needed for that range) on my bread and butter Domni fit.
Navy Dominix rocks even harder, and is way cheaper than a CNR. I own a few, and love 'em - getting expensive. Can have target painters X2 besides massive tank.
CNR can blow through missions faster, at greater cost per mission. But I never chain missions, so I do not benefit from a speed running strategy. This strategy yields more ISK faster if you focus on the keyboard.
I had a fleet of Dominix'es, now replaced by a fleet of Rattlesnakes = very expensive. Domi's payed for it all while I was barely watching the PvE fights and doing homework at the same time. CNR's require much more focus to operate/pilot.
Decide what you think is "cheap", and go for it.
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Kylee Serenity
Moonshine Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.21 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Urgg Boolean
I had a fleet of Dominix'es, now replaced by a fleet of Rattlesnakes
Interesting. Could you tell how many you used in the fleet and how many missions at once?
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