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Taius Pax
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Posted - 2010.11.16 07:12:00 -
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I'm getting ready to replace my laptop and for various reasons I'm considering getting a Mac. Right now I only play Eve on my desktop because my laptop just doesn't have enough graphics horsepower to run the client. I'm wondering how well the current Mac laptops will perform and if anyone can share their experience. The ones I'm interested in are the new 11" Macbook Air (1.6GHz Core 2 Duo / GeForce 320M), the 13" Macbook Pro (2.4GHz Core 2 Duo / GeForce 320M) and the 15" Macbook Pro (2.4GHz Core i5 / GeForce GT 330M).
If anyone has any experience running Eve on these, good or bad, I'd love to hear about it. Also, if anyone has run it under Windows 7 on any of these laptops it would be great to know how well that works.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.11.16 07:27:00 -
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I have just a plain Macbook that I bought before the beginning of this semester. Having run EVE on Windows for the previous two years, let me warn you that it is a real ***** to use Mac to play this game as compared to Windows. That said, it seems to handle the graphics fairly well, although with everything turned up it gets reeeeallly laggy undocking. Multiboxing will also require you to do some crazy shenanigans.
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Taius Pax
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Posted - 2010.11.16 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: captain foivos I have just a plain Macbook that I bought before the beginning of this semester. Having run EVE on Windows for the previous two years, let me warn you that it is a real ***** to use Mac to play this game as compared to Windows. That said, it seems to handle the graphics fairly well, although with everything turned up it gets reeeeallly laggy undocking. Multiboxing will also require you to do some crazy shenanigans.
Thanks for the feedback. The Macbook has the same processor/graphics chip as the 13" Macbook Pro so that's helpful. If you don't mind, what makes playing on the Mac more difficult than Windows?
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.11.16 07:38:00 -
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In general the graphics cards are not as powerful as a "gaming laptop". In my experience the mac client runs more sluggishly than the windows one. Cmd-tabbing has problems as other programs will lag significantly.
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Culmen
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.16 08:03:00 -
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You know I always wanted to know.... How do mac users play eve, when almost everything requires a right click? and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Real Poison
Minmatar Stormlord Battleforce Vanguard.
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Posted - 2010.11.16 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen You know I always wanted to know.... How do mac users play eve, when almost everything requires a right click?
your knowledge about macs is 2 decades old.
or you're trolling badly.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.16 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen You know I always wanted to know.... How do mac users play eve, when almost everything requires a right click?
Trolling aside: by right-clicking, obviously. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Ejit
Amarr The Ascension
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Posted - 2010.11.16 10:52:00 -
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I've never understood why Macs are so popular. Especially as you can buy a Dell laptop with the same, if not better specs for half the price. After all they're just standard X86 based hardware (Intel CPU, SATA hardrive DDR Ram..etc. usual stuff, nothing special) with a revamped Linux kernal that'll give you nothing but trouble.
Save some cash and stick with a Windows machine. Don't be taken in by popular, FOTM culture.
But don't let my opinion sway you. I'm sure you'll enjoy sitting in Starbucks with your shiny Apple logo.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.11.16 10:53:00 -
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What extra premium do you pay for that, over an equally fitted laptop? And why?
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.16 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 16/11/2010 10:59:54
Originally by: Ejit After all they're just standard X86 based hardware (Intel CPU, SATA hardrive DDR Ram..etc. usual stuff, nothing special) with a revamped Linux kernal that'll give you nothing but trouble.
Mainly because it's quite the opposite: it's not a revamped Linux kernel, and therefore doesn't give you any trouble.
àbut I suppose you're right about Starbucks: if you're the kind of person who's swayed by FOTM, you'd probably sit there rather than at a place that serves proper coffee.
edit: Oh, and to the OP's question: you can get EVE to run on an Air, but if you try to do anything other than change skills and manage your trade and a few market orders, you'll have a miserable time. If you go for a MBPro, though, it'll run just fine ù big fleets might be iffy, but that's just EVE, and not necessarily OSX giving you grief. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.11.16 11:08:00 -
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In the thread The NEW MacBook Air, Gysele and Kerdrak report favourable results with the 11" MacBook Air - operating in Jita and ratting in nullsec with no problems.
I can operate two clients on minimum settings happily on my 24" iMac, no idea about the MacBook Air yet. I have a trip to Europe to pay for, so no new laptop for me just yet!
Be aware that the fans in the MacBook Air are painful, mostly due to their small size (small fan trying to move large volume of air = high pitched whine from motor straining to spin so fast).
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Mmm Insane
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.16 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Real Poison
Originally by: Culmen You know I always wanted to know.... How do mac users play eve, when almost everything requires a right click?
your knowledge about macs is 2 decades old.
or you're trolling badly.
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Yeah didn't you know your average mac nowadays is all but a pc in hardware terms. You get to feel special cos of a badge and paying 70% extra. The special being short bus terminology. Monkey see in movies....monkey want.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.11.16 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ejit I've never understood why Macs are so popular.
Actually, they aren't. Apple as a deal with Hollywood to place Macs into most major studio productions (whereas you will see Dell in most TV series) to make it appear as if the real world is full of Macs, but the sales numbers speak for themselves.
It used to be that Mac was considered hip by the college crowd but it's turned around a bit and now aging baby boomers are buying Macs to remind them of younger years and to appear sophisticated to their peers.
To the rational consumer there are very few "legit" reasons to buy a Mac over a PC. Luckily for Apple many consumers are far from rational and the Apple reality distortion field is strong. Still, globally the Mac is insignificant as computing platform. |
Flibertygibbet
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Posted - 2010.11.16 14:43:00 -
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FOTM people keep saying. MAcs are FOTM. Well its a fairly long month - I've been using macs since before PC's existed. I remember when PC's started copying the macintosh's mouse and desktop setup rather than the painfully obtuse dos. I remember when "windows" attempted to copy the MAc os innovations which has thus far passed them by. And now vista or whatever they call it - is yet another pale imitation of osx.
People pay more for things which are better. Macs have a much better operating system which people are willing to pay for. "Almost as good" isnt good enough in many cases.
Lastly - smacktards complaining about other peoples preferences when it comes to hardware is such an obvious projection of inadequacy that I feel embarrassed for you. What do you care what computer some other guy buys? or makes for that matter.
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Firey Jack
Caldari The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.11.16 14:54:00 -
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Back to the OP:
CCP and TransGaming have the client running pretty well these days. I don't see any performance problems on my 2008 MBP, and performance on a newer system will obviously be better. Macs with a 320M will handle it fine.
Running multiple clients is still less than optimal, however, as the current client causes background applications to lag a bit.
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Red Emma
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.16 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Firey Jack Back to the OP:
CCP and TransGaming have the client running pretty well these days. I don't see any performance problems on my 2008 MBP, and performance on a newer system will obviously be better. Macs with a 320M will handle it fine.
Running multiple clients is still less than optimal, however, as the current client causes background applications to lag a bit.
I am sure that it "runs", on your 2008 MBP, but I bet you don't have the settings cranked up. If you did, the game would be a slideshow. That's the thing that gets left out of a lot of reports about Eve performance on Macbooks. The 13" MBP and Macbooks don't have powerful integrated GPUs, but they are "good enough".
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.16 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 16/11/2010 15:07:02
Originally by: Ash Donai
Originally by: Ejit I've never understood why Macs are so popular.
Actually, they aren't.
Actually, they are. Just not in terms of "marketshare".
That's because Apple has focused on a few niches where they can keep the margins high, and left the whole razor-margin/high-competition "bulk sale to 150k employee institutions" to others.
For home use, their popularity is through the roof. in the media sector, they've retained the popularity they've had since before PCs were born. Yes, in gaming, they'reà ehmà let's say "less than popular" because Apple have chosen to go for the mobile space instead. Even so, that's something that's eeeeever so slowly changing since people are looking at those "home use" numbers and thinking that there just might be a pie there that they want a piece ofà
àbut the last time the industry had to make that kind of move was in and around the early '90s, and it took them 5 years to get up to speed.
(Alsoà god I feel old remembering all of that. Btw, is there a wumpus port for w7k?) ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Enno Duluoz
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Posted - 2010.11.16 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Enno Duluoz on 16/11/2010 15:42:58 Graphic design.
If you don't know why, then you'll probably never know why. Clear Type looks like ****.
And to get a windows machine to work like a mac, you'd need to buy one with certified drivers. That'd put you near if not over the price point of a mid grade mac.
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Wysong
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Posted - 2010.11.16 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Wysong on 16/11/2010 16:21:37 I used to be about as anti-Mac as they come until about a year ago.
Without getting too into it, I'm a Linux guy at the office, with a very strong Windows background and I chose to buy a 27" iMac here about 6mos ago for a variety of reasons none of which I regret.
One thing I will say, is that playing EVE on the Mac is frustrating. By default the F keys are mapped to various OSX functions, the jukebox is borked and seems to change songs in a random manner, and for a while there mail didn't work (in-game evegate was a **** poor workaround), not to mention some minor graphical glitching - most of which seems to be sorted out.
So yeah, it's possible, but I only keep the client installed for skill updates.
Quote: Actually, they are. Just not in terms of "marketshare".
Parting shot - Macs are 90%+ in the >$1k market share.
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Running missions
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Posted - 2010.11.16 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Running missions on 16/11/2010 16:41:31 let me try and convert you from mac's and save you from stupidity that swallows so many, such as those that think macs are immune to computer virus's and PC's get a virus from using google.
Mac are expensive for an unknown reason, so look at the specs when buying laptop. for eve you want a dual core processor that is above 2ghz, preferably intel a graphics card that is 3200series ati or higher ( 4000 series will work nice Nvidia should have a 400 series in laptops, but unfamiliar with them. you want 3GB of ram or more, unless running windows XP you also want to buy a mouse, touchpad piloting sucks
going by your first choice, the macbook air http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Apple%26%23174%3B+-+MacBook%26%23174%3B+Air+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B2+Duo+Processor+/+11.6%22+Display+/+2GB+Memory+/+128GB+Flash+Storage+-+Aluminum/1535123.p?id=1218267720425&skuId=1535123 it has a dual core processor that is only rated at 1.4ghz? which is slow, that is about the speed of a laptop when windows VISTA came out Price, 1200 USD
now for the SAME price Linkage quad core running at 1.7ghz, the 5870 ATI card, which came out like a year ago, but still one of the fastest graphics cads you can get. and 6GB of ram, bigger screen also.
the only thing about that laptop i wouldn't like for Eve is that eve doesn't support quad core to my knowledge, so you will only be running 1 or 2 of those cores, but multiboxing SHOULD make use of the separate cores
point of all this is PC> mac in the Bang for buck area, and well, in general, and no not a PC fanboy just facts were said.
Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: WMunny Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.[/ |
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2010.11.16 16:41:00 -
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The reason people use macs is very simple:
The OS was not written by the Evil Empire.
I use a 15" MacBook Pro, and eve runs fine. The FPS is a little low, typically 30-50 while doing Hi Sec PvE stuff, dropping to 2 to 4 in Sisi mass fleet tests.
Running 2 clients is easy, just open the terminal and enter
open -n /Applications/Eve\ online.app
Ive had 3 running at once on my MBP. FPS was low, but it did work.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.11.16 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 16/11/2010 16:51:05
Originally by: Running missions quad core running at 1.7ghz, the 5870 ATI card, which came out like a year ago, but still one of the fastest graphics cads you can get. and 6GB of ram, bigger screen also.
Just remember that you have to cut off the screen of that Asus computer, take that screen and break off some 4 inches on each side... Then you'll be sitting with a computer the same size as the MacBook Air, except it will only be half a screen with no processor or ram of any kind.
Funny how people are complaining about not being able to run eve on max graphics when the similarly sized 'netbooks' barely run eve at all...
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Xessej
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Posted - 2010.11.16 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Flibertygibbet FOTM people keep saying. MAcs are FOTM. Well its a fairly long month - I've been using macs since before PC's existed.
Strange, I bought a PC right after it came out, in 1981, and a Mac right after it came out, in 1984. I cannot for the life of me figure out how anyone could have been using a Mac before 1981 since the machine wouldn't even exist for 3 more years.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Angry Dogs
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Posted - 2010.11.16 17:10:00 -
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Why pay twice as much for something just because it has a fruit on the top?
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Nicholas Barker
Diabolus Ex Machina
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Posted - 2010.11.16 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: captain foivos I have just a plain Macbook that I bought before the beginning of this semester. Having run EVE on Windows for the previous two years, let me warn you that it is a real ***** to use Mac to play this game as compared to Windows. That said, it seems to handle the graphics fairly well, although with everything turned up it gets reeeeallly laggy undocking. Multiboxing will also require you to do some crazy shenanigans.
The Mac... it just works. ------
0800-LAG-A-NODE
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.16 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 16/11/2010 17:33:22
Originally by: Running missions going by your first choice, the macbook air [à] Price, 1200 USD
now for the SAME price Linkage quad core running at 1.7ghz, the 5870 ATI card, which came out like a year ago, but still one of the fastest graphics cads you can get. and 6GB of ram, bigger screen also.
Problem is that none of what you listed are positive points ù quite the opposite. If you're buying the Asus, you're paying the same for a much much worse computer. It has no battery life. Its screen is far too big. It's far too heavy. It's far too thick. It apparently severely lacks connectivity options. You can't actually use it anywhere you need to use it. It also includes a immense amount of junk ù you're paying extra for things that shouldn't be there to begin with.
In other words, it completely fails at every single point that makes the Macbook Air useful, and from that perspective, you shouldn't even have to pay half that listed price for the Asus.
Quote: point of all this is PC> mac in the Bang for buck area
And the counter-point to that is that Mac > PC in the suitabilityûfor-purpose for buck area, and the comparison you're doing is completely nonsensical because you're looking at two completely different purposes. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Ejit
Amarr The Ascension
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Posted - 2010.11.16 18:22:00 -
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Just avoid Apple full stop.
I have a younger brother who works in the city. Something to do with personal finance. He has a few A list celeb clients. He's got his suit, pink shirt, big fat tie with a poor excuse of a Windsor knot. And a modern haircut that looks like he just got out of bed. All of his friends and workmates are all clones of each other.
They go for lunch together at some trendy bistro with WIFI. And I kid you not, my bro carries MacBook, IPAD, IPhone4. And all these bistro trendys all surround themselves with these devices. I ask all the time, what is so good about Apple? Umm...ahh...errmm. Can't get a straight answer from any of them. Why! cos they don't know.
It literally is a 1984 style Orwellian nightmare. I honestly find it deeply disturbing and sycophantic. The last time I was there I wanted to walk out the place, Arnold Schwarzenegger style, rolling a grenade behind me whilst lighting a cigar and responding with an appropriate witty One Liner
If you buy into the Apple brand you are destroying the internet. Steve Jobs has an agenda and has made it perfectly clear what his vision is. He'd have you paying for every little piece of online media you consume and restrict your online freedoms. Buy an Apple device, your helping make it a reality!
I'll be sticking with Windows machines. It's the lesser of two evils.
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Alexandria Ekibe
Amarr Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2010.11.16 18:34:00 -
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My experience is that people who don't like Mac's are people who don't own one yet.
I play with max settings on my 27" iMac. I'm set up for dual boot, but I prefer playing on my Mac side. It is annoying that EVEmon doesn't run on Mac, but that's the only complaint I have... at all.
If you get a mac, you wont regret it. I don't know anyone personally who says they are disappointed with their mac purchase, although I'm sure people on the internets will make all sorts of such claims.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.11.16 19:09:00 -
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Plain macbook owner. It turned out to be a lifesaver. My PC HD failed - having new one put in, but in meantime I was surprised to find that this old POS laptop can run Eve... well enough to change skills, anyway.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.11.16 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 16/11/2010 15:07:02
Originally by: Ash Donai
Originally by: Ejit I've never understood why Macs are so popular.
Actually, they aren't.
Actually, they are. Just not in terms of "marketshare".
Sounds a bit like the Iraqi Information Minister; We are very popular just not when you look at the marketshare!!!
Let's agree that some things are inherently difficult to measure reliably and that statistics can be twisted to support pretty much any view point. However, no matter which stats you look at you will be hard pressed to find any stats that suggest that the home user market share for Mac OS is anywhere close to 10%. That's far from popular imho even though the term popular itself is vague.
In the end it comes down to individual choice and whether users see value in their purchase. I don't and I'd have a hard time to imagine that anyone would buy a laptop for $1700 and find value in that when the exact same specs (less the aluminum case, though HP has one of those now I think) sell for half the price buying from a different vendor. Then again, who am I to tell people how to spend their money, I can still make fun of them though. ;) |
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