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ninjaholic
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.11.17 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: WorkingOnIt
The problem is your just another ship in the game to 99.9% of people you still a nobody (no insult intended).. I think you just want to be recognised for your age and wealth or the things you have achieved, at the end of the day just another ship only few people achieve fame, Chribba or Entity hah and Bad Bobby..
You havnt earned the right to be special yet..
Lol, you don't know who Istvaan Shogaatsu is? GTFO.
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McEivalley
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.17 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Gemberslaafje What if they'd tie it up to Jovian ships?
Jovian Frigates would need ALL race's frigate ships at lvl 5. Jovian Electrofizzlewhatever guns need ALL race's short/long range specialization to lvl 5
In return, a single fitted Jovian Frigate should be able to take 2 or 3 normal frigates...
This.
THIS.
THIS.
... is exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of. Absolutely ridiculous skill requirements! A ship so difficult to train for, that maybe 50 people in all of Eve can hope to fly it within a month of its release. Something truly and directly dedicated to veterans - to the exclusion of everyone else.
As a positive side effect, having a ship like this implemented would cause a bunch of long-retired veterans to give Eve another try.
How long would that interest you? 1 more year at most? probably after 3 months you'll be back at square 1. Heck, you don't need 120mil SPs to feel like you - I already do to some extent and I'm working on being able to fly anything sub-capital at level 5 - then I'll trek up to capitals like you did. However, once I get there It would be long after I've lost any interest in game mechanics as they are today.
So what's out there for me, and more importantly, you? and by far more important than either of us - CCP!
No, I'm sorry, it's not a pwnmobile made to immerse the producing company's tech crew into the game to satisfy the space pony riders out there. It will have to be something much-much more substantial. CCP would not go to all the trouble to satisfy 50 people in all of eve's history that have any hope of flying it within a moth of its release (let alone 5 years!), and completely shake the game balance (stories of a vet pwn frig taking on 50 noob ceptors in 10 minutes would be lol once, but meh twice).
And put aside these cons - there is no incentive for them either as perhaps they'll get 50x3 months subs out of it. Then it's back to square one.
No, my dear old fart, you have no hope in a new shiny pew-pew toy. Your only hope is something outrageously different, with various new experiences, goals and avenues to venture. It will come from incarna, and the aspects of it that will tie it together with old-out-there eve, as well as that dusty shooter. It won't be soon, it won't be easy, and it won't be with using what you've skilled so far, but with what you will have to skill for next.
I'm sorry, but tbh, your only privilege as a vet is the choice to go back to the old experiences at a whim, rather than after a very long wait and endless grinding of NPCs. And there are the melted snowballs from that x-mas 5 years ago that you can put on contracts for 1 bil, and out-bid the noob who saved months for it just to grief them and recycle the experience.
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Kabaal S'sylistha
Caldari The Technomages Comrades-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.11.17 20:38:00 -
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Really, a new ship or two will not fix your problem anyway. A lot of newer players get frustrated because they want to matter in the world, then go to something like 0.0 and see they're small fry and might one day get to be medium fry. You, apparently, have the capital, the skill points, and the boredom required to do something crazy and shake things up.
If all you want is pipe dreams of new toys, say so. Start a "What should Jove tech ships be like" thread and daydream about it, but if you want the game to be exciting and don't want to leave it finding something epic to do is the key.
Hell, offer to pay for PLEX's each month and a salary for pilots to come work for you. It'd be like an army of bots, but legal.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.17 21:00:00 -
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Become widely respected as a good guy in EVE, that is were the real challenge is.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.11.17 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Become widely respected as a good guy in EVE, that is were the real challenge is.
Damn, you beat me to it Talking about real challenges..
Apart from that I don't see why anyone would be more entitled to his own version of EVE, his personal pipedream or a bigger Hulk than any other player. I'm sorry to say this, but I agree to what others have said. You have to set your own goals in Eve. If you can't find any more goals, it's time for a break. Eve is not a content driven game, so content should never be the deciding factor when it comes to leaving or staying, because it won't work.
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.17 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 17/11/2010 21:55:42
Quote: Does anyone have any input besides "wah wah you're spoiled" or "you should quit Eve now"?
You make a thread erroneously suggesting that because something doesn't have a huge SP requirement that it is content exclusive to new player, propose an idea that effectively means "I'm bored. Destroy game balance so I can feel special because I've played for awhile," and expect constructive responses?
For someone who has played for so long it's shocking that you still manage to miss one of the core mechanics of EVE, which is that more SP doesn't necessarily make you uber. |
Christopher AET
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Posted - 2010.11.18 01:56:00 -
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Simples. Do something(I do not know what) that will shake new Eden to it's very roots. Make many corps failcascade, empty null of any reasonable sized groups as they split and crash markets in jita in a single fell swoop. I have no idea how this would be achieved but there is a goal for you. Break eve using in game mechanics.
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Marlakh
Minmatar Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.18 02:56:00 -
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Hail Istvaan,
First of all, I wish to personally congratulate you for having reached what you perceive as the "pinnacle" of your Eve career. I've read much about your accomplishments and contribution to the ongoing saga of New Eden, and it is players like yourself that makes Eve an interesting and well-publicised game for all of us.
Concerning your original question for new challenges, there is very little I can suggest that does not require CCP's deliberate improvement of game mechanics for "old-timers", although the Jovian ship idea is certainly appealing. Even so, as others have mentioned here, eventually you will accomplish that new goal, and once again be back to where you are now, facing the ennui of over-accomplishment with no new challenges. This is something that no amount of skill points or isk will address over the long term. Hence, with your reputation for meta-gaming activities, I'd like to suggest the following "out of the box" ideas.
Hold lucky draws with Plexes to give away, that players can convert to fanfest tickets, game time, or just plain isk. You can build up a lot of good will among players that way, assuming you wish to.
Start a ship museum. Buy or acquire every ship in-game (including rare Jovian, alliance tournament prize ships, etc). Set up a few deathstar POSes and place them there for all to oggle at. Buy off an entire alliance to guard the POSes. Much chaos awaits!
Be a true power broker. use your financial and political clout to influence the ownership of entire regions, even in WH space (set up a WH empire with a truly sustainable comms and market network amongst the 2000+ WH systems. Corner the T3 market!)
Reach an agreement with CCP to create the first legally binding Eve investment/savings bank! Convert your isk into plex (equivalent to RL gold) that can be held in trust by CCP as tangible guarantee against any scams (yes, even by you!). That is, if you or any of the fellow directors abscond with the invested Isk, CCP steps in to refund Plex to the affected players. This is kind of a loose suggestion, so it very much depends on whether CCP is willing to enter into such an agreement, and for what price ;)
Whatever it is, I'm sure future challenges and rewards will present themselves in time. With the coming Incarna (yes, I believe in it emerging next summer), you'll have plenty more to look forward to for microtransactions and novelty/vanity items to buff your character with. Look at Club Neverdie in Entropia Universe for what may be very well in store...
Good luck.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.11.18 05:30:00 -
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Bitter vet syndrome strikes again.
Honestly there is only so much content to play even in such a massively sandbox game like eve so eventually you just run out of stuff to do.
This is why ccp is bending over backwards to bring in new blood with the new shineys before all the old blood finally shuffles off into the sunset.
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Mushin Zen
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Posted - 2010.11.18 05:36:00 -
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Hmm, some people are asking about expanding the universe, so take it a step less (make more of what we have got rather than something new) and have players be able to build stations and stargates (on contract to empires?). its the sand box concept taken to the next step. Imagine the skills needed to build a gate or station?
I would also like to see some love given to trade, so cruise liners and other 'non-violent' options, so you can hijack cruise ships, run transport lines, commerce lines, etc.... which leads too....
Will be interesting to see what DUST514 will introduce, but I would like to see proper plantary management. Set up industry, keep the populace happy, food production, political base (MOO - masters of orion had this if I remember rightly,was a cool game). So bit like Civ for EVE. Then you could add military ground commander (small unit tactics, operational and strategic and operating in different dimensions (land, sea, sky, covert (includes guerilla and covert ops), armour, supply, CCC, EW, and low planet orbit). Then you would have to manage planets as well as armies, move them, feed them, supply them... a whole new game within EVE in effect but adding to what is already there, PI on steroids... and not a FPS or ****ing around with avatars in station effectively smack talking in local...
The gloss wears off new toys like Jovian ships, cool, but still a limited time span, but wouldn't you lke to run interplanetary invasions and run your ow planet (like the trailers for the last EVE release implied)?
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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2010.11.18 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
So... what can't I fly, that I would want to?
Hey Shogaatsu, long time listener, first time caller.
Do what I do, make ridiculous fits and try them out.
You'd be suprised what a Quad-Rep Ishtar can do -----
Originally by: GM Horse
Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Tragic smelting accidents.
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F0rum Tr0ll
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.18 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: F0rum Tr0ll on 18/11/2010 09:15:57 1st idea I had was
>100M skillpoint characters can learn the ability to inter-lock their ships with other >100M skillpoint characters to form voltron. Initially, I thought your special ability would only be able to emote /dance and thus dance in space....but perhaps we can work the sword into it....not sure....
2nd idea.
A new skill...Racial morph.
This would be an uber long train skill which would slowly train you into a jove race? or perhaps a sleeper?
... no no I got it..... Rank 1 makes you an all around belt rat size. Rank 5 makes you a Sanctum rat size..a Tyrant or whatever....The kicker is.. you can fly as a normal player throughout eve. Since your a rat, your fair game to anyone in eve at all times..but so are they. So you can shoot whoever you want, whenever you want. You could only fly faction ships in game. Rank 1 =Faction frigs only Rank 2 =Faction cruisers So on and so forth. At rank 5 You'd have your pick from Battleship to frigate.
Kinda like the left for dead concept where you play the zombie instead of the people.
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Eelis Kiy
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.18 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 17/11/2010 15:18:52 In eve you set your own goals. If your goal was to have 140m sp and fly all ships then congrats, you've won eve and can move to another game.
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F0rum Tr0ll
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.18 09:52:00 -
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a new skill
Name change skill.
after 100m sp You can train, name change skill. After which you can change your name, in order to do this again...you have to train name change again.
Relax! I'm here to save the forums!!! |
ian666
Minmatar Ruch Poparcia Janusza Palikota
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: ian666 on 18/11/2010 11:05:36
Originally by: Gemberslaafje
Shields like Caldari Armor like Amarr Hull like Gallente Speed like Minmatar
Skill reqs: Jove Frigates lvl 3 (rank 20 skill) Prereqs: Amarr,Caldari,Minmatar,Gallente frigate 5
this
you can have 100m sp but you cant use it all in same time. What advantage over others will give minmatar carier lvl5 if you are in amarr hac? None
2yo player can be as efficent as 7yo player in matter of skills for specific ship, so talking that old players should change game is just stupid. Noobs get many presents like lowering adv lerning skills reqs from lvl5 do lvl4, or training on double speed, implants (in back days there were no implants in game).
Older players paid more over time and they deserve something better than others. New type of ships with many lvl5's skill requirements would be very nice.
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.11.18 11:11:00 -
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I do not think a uber ship with some SP re****ent would be a way to go - few more years down the road and more and more chars cross the 100 million SP limit.
However - I think that you should transform into Jove body once you get enough SP - however I think that 100 mil might be a bit low for that just yet. Hell even I have 100 mil sp and I'm not THAT old player.
So lets say a three step process. At 25 %, 50 % and final step at 75 % of max possible SP in game. With gradual changes to your character Avatar. That way once you have far enough all those n00bles will be able to see at a glance at your face that you are old .. and done things they have only dreamed. The ships - with limitless isk you can already have those uber pwnmobiles - just officer fit it and pwn away. And it WILL hurt once you lose it. Not enough .. well .. there are exceptionally rare hulls as well. Would you like to pvp in state issue raven perhaps ?
But being able to transform into Jove would be interesting and quite unique ability I would say. Even if it does not do actually anything in particular in game. Oh well or perhaps we could get some special Jove shuttle or something like that that only those transformed into Jove can fly. Want to make the achivement even more unique ? - Simple - create permadeath possibility in the process of character transformation. 'Oops - something went wrong - you died - permanently'.
You can request rare items as well for that transformation. Officer dogtags ... Cosmos items .. etc etc.
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F0rum Tr0ll
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.18 11:42:00 -
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it'll never happen but..
perhaps after learning 100M skillpoints you'll be able to learn new advanced tech relative to your ships.
such as: the ability to black ops your own ship(any ship) to a max jump of 3 systems. Fuel based. This would be any ship.
perhaps after 100mill sp they'll let you train vanity skills. Like engine trails so everyone knows your l33t. Relax! I'm here to save the forums!!! |
HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.18 12:35:00 -
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once u hit 70m skillpoints all that is left is to run around empire suicide ganking for profit
and maybe spending more time on test server or become a bh or isd event volunteer
or become a merc
raid wormholes
dunno engage in some fun
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wizard87
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Posted - 2010.11.18 13:51:00 -
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Hey,
You're a pretty smart guy, I think deep down you know that CCP dont make content for 50 elite people. That is just not an effective use of time for them.
I believe you that long term training goals such as flying Titans leaves you feeling a little bit "well what next?" after you achieve them, but you're forgetting that the reward for the time spent is being able to fly everything well - the utility.
I think perhaps you should maybe try achieving more "non-skill" related goals. Maybe build something amazing rather than knocking it down. In short a change in playstyle could be more refreshing for you than new content.
re: skills - The Sansha Mothership will be here soon anyway, why not be the first to wang that big spikey e-peen all over the place?
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Nuts Nougat
SniggWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.11.18 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I am out of stuff to do.
Be the first to collect a sansha mom bpc... solo. ---
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Horizonist
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Posted - 2010.11.18 14:41:00 -
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Istvaan,
I am glad you have gotten as far as you have, you are in a position most players only dream of. I understand your concern that there is not much to do in the "endgame" (if that is the proper term, which I doubt), but that is where Eve draws fully on its MMO aspect - this is a game about people, and interactions between people. Why not start something unique? Why not do something that you would really like, and that would be a benefit to other players as well?
If I was in your position, I would organize the people from my noob corp and take new players nullsec mining and WH exploring, teaching them about nullsec survival, fleet ops, and just giving them a good time and a chance to enjoy the game. But that is just me.
I am sure you can think of something else, there are as many things to do as there are people to come up with them :)
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Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.11.18 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: ian666 Edited by: ian666 on 18/11/2010 11:11:22
Originally by: Gemberslaafje
Shields like Caldari Armor like Amarr Hull like Gallente Speed like Minmatar
Skill reqs: Jove Frigates lvl 3 (rank 20 skill) Prereqs: Amarr,Caldari,Minmatar,Gallente frigate 5
this
you can have 100m sp but you cant use it all in same time. What advantage over others will give minmatar carier lvl5 if you are in amarr hac? None
2yo player can be as efficent as 7yo player in matter of skills for specific ship, so talking that old players should change game is just stupid. Noobs get many presents like lowering adv lerning skills reqs from lvl5 do lvl4, or training on double speed, implants (in back days there were no implants in game).
Older players paid more over time and they deserve something better than others. New type of ships with many lvl5's skill requirements would be very nice.
Things with many high ranked skills at reqs would be great for everyone, even for newest players. You want it? pay each month and wait for it like others! Also - yes, now you have something worth paying and waiting for.
They paid for the ability to play the game......
They have the ability to swap to another's race ship to exploit the enemy's weaknesses.
So yes a younger pilot might be able to fly one ship/race as well as you, then they are ****ed when you switch to a ship they are weak against. I realise this may be too advanced a tactic for you but hey thats your problem not mine
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Commandante Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.18 20:07:00 -
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I think you need a break from that game and focus on something different and eventually you get back the fun. I have also reached a SP border where I don't care about skills anymore. I even don't care about flying different races. I mainly have worked out my perfect PvP/PvE setup. Finally I am looking forward to fly a carrier for different things. But I am not in hurry.
What makes EVE exciting when you play over 4 years after 10 months of intense lvl4 mish mash, starting with PvP, starting a second account for dual boxing, killing carebears in w-space, joining a nice corp, doing FW, ratting your ass of in nullsec, dual-boxing again, griefing gate camps, getting better on griefing gate camps, getting an expert of griefing gatecamps, getting bored with gate camps, enyoing big battles, hating lag, hunting and podding macro ratter, finally having too much RL that EVE is a nice but intense hobby and and and ...
Honestly, the problem could be that you spent too much time ingame without the right corp/bunch of pilots and you believe that SP and ISK is the goal in this game? No idea. To me EVE is exciting when you fly with nice people from all over the world. I can log in and rat, I can clone jump to my favorite low-sec and do dual PvP, roaming "solo", joining some old friends for roaming, just busting camps, looking for w-space or join some nice corp or impressive alliance ops some people are able to organize.
The fact is: EVE is not getting boring for me because I am not focusing on my awesome SP or big ships. I have a lot of RL around and I can decide a lot of things I want to do in EVE or just spontaneous things like hunting down a macro ratter reported by my corp mates. They told me: forget it, impossible. I took this as a challange and showed again that everything is possible in EVE. It's up to you.
You need to find your personal challanges. If you are burned out just take a break from the game. Eventually this helps when you come back.
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TheSpyInCorp
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Posted - 2010.11.18 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 17/11/2010 15:18:52 In eve you set your own goals. If your goal was to have 140m sp and fly all ships then congrats, you've won eve and can move to another game.
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Jofridur
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Posted - 2010.11.19 01:14:00 -
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I thought I would never say this, but have you tried roleplaying?
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Trent Casta
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Posted - 2010.11.19 02:44:00 -
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Put CCP out of business for a month. Save up to buy every pilot 1 plex and have everyone pay with plex for one month. |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.11.19 02:58:00 -
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mmm... Maybe you could use your 100+ SPs and infinite money to grow a spine. You got the skills (at least SP-wise) and ISK to be able to beat most of EvE. Pimp your ship out with best gear, stuff your head full of top grade implants, and go on a solo killing spree. Warp into small gatecamps and start laying waste, attack ratting groups in WH space, etc.
Or you could just ask for a completely OP'd ship so you could gang up with other max skilled characters with OP'd ships and then sit in Jita blowing up WTs or something equally glorious...
Taxman IX: Risky Venture
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2010.11.19 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: Joe McAlt on 19/11/2010 04:16:03 How about the ability to build or generate NPC ships ala the Sanchas. Perhaps in the form of a bunker that could be deployed in a system and then start releasing rogue drones and ships at pre set or randome intervals until it is found and destroyed.
These ships would not attack the builder and would carry his name. Kind of like a personal merc fleet. You would not have direct control, but they could be released as an incursion in high, low or null.
If you are rich enough and skilled enough, one could use it to gain personal control over a system or to throw off the balance of power in a cluster. The size and fittings of the ships would be designable, letting you have a bit of fun in the process. You could even collect fleet Killmails as your slave ships wreck havok on all who they can destroy.
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Diplomacy V
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Posted - 2010.11.19 05:53:00 -
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Istvaan,
Thank you for telling us that you are no longer able to enjoy the game you have put five years of your life into. We are happy to hear it. Please cry more.
Regards,
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Vladimir Nabokov
Rapid Response Rescue and Repair
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Posted - 2010.11.19 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir Nabokov on 19/11/2010 06:09:41 I think the only way to address Istvaans concern is a high sp gun that consumes skillpoints as ammo.
EDIT: Really, i think you should find another hobby for a while besides gaming since you pointed out other games do not interest you. And you have probably done more in EVE already than most people do before moving on/taking a break.
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