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0oO0oOoOo0o
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:32:00 -
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Just wanted to know, as today in 6-7 hours from now is the launch day of an rival MMO that is VERY similar to EVE: are you devs shivering, because it might kill EVE, or are you rather relaxed, hoping that it will have a horrible launch, go down in lag or fail one way or another ?
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DeBingJos
Minmatar Ethically Questionable
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:33:00 -
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What is this MMO you are talking about?
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:35:00 -
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Lolwut. There is a rather large graveyard of "EVE-killer" MMORPG games already. Which game do you wish to add to the list? - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Yuna Terra
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:36:00 -
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http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/551/Ministry-of-War.html
This one? _________
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0oO0oOoOo0o
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: DeBingJos What is this MMO you are talking about?
I don't think it's polite to mention it's name here, since it's a rival product. Also I want to have a huge chunk of SP (which are time-based there as well) and therefore a PVP advantage, before the majority of Eve players finds out about it ...
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:39:00 -
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This threads appear quite often and there wasn't an exodus to other games yet so I doubt they shiver in fear. BTW I dotn think its a problem to mention the name as long as you dont advertise
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o
Originally by: DeBingJos What is this MMO you are talking about?
I don't think it's polite to mention it's name here, since it's a rival product. Also I want to have a huge chunk of SP (which are time-based there as well) and therefore a PVP advantage, before the majority of Eve players finds out about it ...
You started the thread, dipstick, now either say what you want to say or gtfo. Or are you too scared that EVE will devour your game in a few months and you'll come crawling back and then get podded repeatedly? - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
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CCP StevieSG
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:43:00 -
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Moved to Out of Pod from EVE General.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Angry Dogs
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:43:00 -
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People said the same thing about STO. Ironicaly EVE ended up stealing more players from STO
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0oO0oOoOo0o
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Orion GUardian This threads appear quite often and there wasn't an exodus to other games yet so I doubt they shiver in fear. BTW I dotn think its a problem to mention the name as long as you dont advertise
Yes but this one is VERY similar to Eve. Basically they stole lot's of ideas from Eve and added some nice stuff, after having played it for a couple of days on beta it definitely seems to have the potential to drain lots of players from Eve. If i were an Eve Dev, i'd be at least concerned ...
Quote: You started the thread, dipstick, now either say what you want to say or gtfo.
Just wanted to explore the feelings of the Devs towards it, don't be mean
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:48:00 -
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Must be a HUGE title since apparently everybody is talking about it... yes high expectations are in order! Let's all rejoice in the launch of... wait what was it again?
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DeBingJos
Minmatar Ethically Questionable
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:49:00 -
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Thread is in OOP, you can tell us now....
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:51:00 -
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I presume the OP is talking about Perpetuum Online.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.11.18 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis I presume the OP is talking about Perpetuum Online.
Yep. I was in the beta since the start and I can assure you, though the game looks nice on the outside it lacks serious finesse. Something that is required in today's gaming industry. It is just not polished enough. Good core game, though.
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Kidain
Gallente Rule of Five
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Posted - 2010.11.18 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kidain on 18/11/2010 11:10:35 What I find odd is people say it's in competition with EVE. One has a universe and spaceships pew pew the other is Transformers? Really odd as I have no interest in robot pew pew. --------------------------------------
In an infinite universe, the one thing sentient life cannot afford to have is a sense of proportion. - Douglas Adams |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.18 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kidain Transformers? Really odd as I have no interest in robot pew pew.
Not quite.
Also, Arbitrary post in a Perpetuum thread. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.11.18 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kidain Edited by: Kidain on 18/11/2010 11:10:35 What I find odd is people say it's in competition with EVE. One has a universe and spaceships pew pew the other is Transformers? Really odd as I have no interest in robot pew pew.
Maybe because they blatantly stole every aspect of their game from EVE-Online. No really, they copied literally everything from EVE and use mechs instead of spaceships. Oh and they add in other lame stuff like pvp flags and whatnot.
If I were CCP I'd be wondering why we couldn't sue them and then wonder why Perpetuum online can only get 100 players to play.
While I think a game based on EVE's engine but with different mechanics would be a nice idea, this is just a cheap rip-off of EVE that will only attract ex-EVE players and god help you if that is your core playerbase. I don't see perpetuum online making any dent in EVE and I'm a little offended that someone would rip-off a beautifully unique idea like EVE in such a blatant way and try to repackage it and sell it. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
OmniBeton
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Posted - 2010.11.18 11:53:00 -
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Played Beta, got bored, back to EVE. Yes, Perpetum takes a lot from EVE but most of it is about layout and technical implementation of background systems like market, equipment etc. Gameplay is nothing like internet spaceships, so it will not be a competition in my opinion.
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0oO0oOoOo0o
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Posted - 2010.11.18 12:13:00 -
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I agree that it's some kind of rip-off, the similarity with Eve is remarkable, but i don't think it can be discarded that easy as junk. For example you have the terrain there, which adds a lot to the immersion of game-play, compared to Eve, where all space looks mainly the same. There you also have direct WASD-control, which i missed a lot in Eve and you can use the ground for tactics and manoeuvres. This terrain-versus-nothingness-of-space thing might sound like a minor diffrence, but i think it's very important for the game experience. Also there are some nice ideas on the skill system and industry (kernals vs buying bpos from npc), but ofc. i don't know much about the details, have played it only a few days so far and am just excited to withness the birth of a new sandbox MMO, playing it from day 1 (or -7 actually ).
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Luminak Narz
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Posted - 2010.11.18 12:18:00 -
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Played Perpetuum for about a week in beta, and it is not really In direct competition with EvE, regardless of some very similar game mechanics. I though Perpetuum was pretty fun, but still has got a ways before it's gonna feel like a mature game. Even still, I'm gonna give it a whirl for a while, see if it can hold my interest.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.11.18 12:30:00 -
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perpetuum is not competing whit eve perpetuum have WASD eve dont so . . . . .
also man whit EA reporting in
Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Max Cetera
Capital Researchs Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.18 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
Maybe because they blatantly stole every aspect of their game from EVE-Online. No really, they copied literally everything from EVE and use mechs instead of spaceships. Oh and they add in other lame stuff like pvp flags and whatnot.
If I were CCP I'd be wondering why we couldn't sue them and then wonder why Perpetuum online can only get 100 players to play.
While I think a game based on EVE's engine but with different mechanics would be a nice idea, this is just a cheap rip-off of EVE that will only attract ex-EVE players and god help you if that is your core playerbase. I don't see perpetuum online making any dent in EVE and I'm a little offended that someone would rip-off a beautifully unique idea like EVE in such a blatant way and try to repackage it and sell it.
CCP probably consider them as fanbois. And you don't sue fanbois trying to spread teh lub even if they don't success at doing it right.
Anyway even with a lot of mechanics copy/pasted from Eve, Perpetuum just looks way too far from being polished to be interesting. Hopefully, that will change some day since I'm sure some people here are going to buy an account just to let it get skills points until the game gets good
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0oO0oOoOo0o
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Posted - 2010.11.18 13:18:00 -
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Actually this could have been an awesome add-on for EVE. Imagine landing on a planet and being able to continue the fight for resources in a mech, as a real version of Planetary Interaction. From what I heard Perpetuum was developed by 10 guys from 2006-2010, makes 40 man-years. That means if CCP used 80 devs, they could have done it in half a year. Or even faster, as they could use existing game engine, hardware, corporate structure and so on. Too bad CCP decided to go for console games and vampires instead.
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Grr
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.11.18 13:31:00 -
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I'd be more worried for those perpetum devs for them being sued for copyright infringement.
I spent a fair few hours playing what is effectively an amateur version of eve merged with mechwarrior and hated it. The interface sucks, the movement is clunky and horrible and just to boost my hopes of the game doing well they don't even have a publisher yet.
That said, eve wasn't a smooth launch either and to somebody new even today the interface isn't exactly great.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.18 13:45:00 -
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It looks like Mechwarrior 4 on a single sharded MMO platform, tbh. In fact it looks a lot like someone took Mechwarrior 4 and Eve, dumped all the code into a food processor, ran it on puree for a while, and dumped it out. --Vel
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CCP Fear
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Posted - 2010.11.18 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Just wanted to know, as today in 6-7 hours from now is the launch day of an rival MMO that is VERY similar to EVE: are you devs shivering, because it might kill EVE, or are you rather relaxed, hoping that it will have a horrible launch, go down in lag or fail one way or another ?
Shivering? no, it's quite warm in the office. I'm quite relaxed :)
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Eyes McGee
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Posted - 2010.11.18 14:40:00 -
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In all fairness, this is the MMO that's most likely to tear me away from EVE personally. If the Beta will ever start, that is :/
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helmeo
Caldari Redwaffe
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Posted - 2010.11.18 14:54:00 -
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it's hardly a competition, played the beta for a long time, it lacks the polish EVE has (eve is very well polished as much as it doesn't feel so at times, of course they might have fixed a lot of that for launch). not to mention the graphics isn't on par with eve. and for some reason i never really had fun with the game, so i just log on, distribute some skill points, kill a few mobs (mind numbingly boring combat) and watch robots shoot each other. oh and the market was bad.
maybe it'll be as good as eve in 5 years, but who knows what eve will be like in 5 years.
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MontyDon
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Posted - 2010.11.18 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Eyes McGee In all fairness, this is the MMO that's most likely to tear me away from EVE personally. If the Beta will ever start, that is :/
This is in beta, and its crap
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Hoshi
The Einherjar Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.18 15:17:00 -
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Based on beta numbers and dev comments on how many players they expect to login on launch day (at most 200) you are looking at no more than 1000 subscribers. Even if every single one was an ex eve player who quit just to play that game it would hardly register in sub statistics for eve. Remember that even EVE which had similar level of polish (a bit less even I would say) at launch started out with around 25k subs.
If they are willing to stick with it for a couple of years then maybe they will become a threat but not atm. ---------------------------------------- "Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason." |
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Luminak Narz
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Posted - 2010.11.18 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Eyes McGee In all fairness, this is the MMO that's most likely to tear me away from EVE personally. If the Beta will ever start, that is :/
Meh... I think that until they release some real information, and not just the occasional screenshot, JGE is complete vaporware. They planned a 2010 launch, and realized quite a ways through that what they had was completely broken. So they had to almost start over. Even if it does come to fruition, its going to be in 2012. Black Prophecy has more of a chance to be a threat to EvE in the near-term.
Which raises an interesting question: what kind of game could be an EvE killer? My sense is that people don't only play this game because it's sci-fi, spaceship themed. I doubt many of us will cancel our EvE subs when Star Wars launches. An EvE killer would have to be a dark, edgy, technically complex sci-fi game that, for whatever reason, is more fun to play than EvE. EvE 2 anyone? |
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.18 15:55:00 -
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X MMO is going to kill Y mmo, ahh the classic and overly repeated posting on MMO forums. Everquest is still kicking so that proves MMOs never die unless they are absolute crap(Most that try to enter the market) or are run by EA(Earth and Beyond for not being a Madden game...). |
ceaon
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Posted - 2010.11.18 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fear
Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Just wanted to know, as today in 6-7 hours from now is the launch day of an rival MMO that is VERY similar to EVE: are you devs shivering, because it might kill EVE, or are you rather relaxed, hoping that it will have a horrible launch, go down in lag or fail one way or another ?
Shivering? no, it's quite warm in the office. I'm quite relaxed :)
hahah reply by ccp fear
also 10 min left
Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.18 17:06:00 -
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I truly fail to see how any game can destroy EVE.
EVE's got a decade of development behind it and a level of depth that brings. To try and cram that much of a game in a new release is entirely impossible.
Any 'EVE Killer' that attempted to match this depth would die because the playerbase would both be overwhelmed, and never get off the ground because every dev knows that half the stuff they cram in would never be used because there wasnt the slow, incremental building that's required to introduce soo many features/much depth. ----------------- Friends Forever |
Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.11.18 17:12:00 -
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There is a niche for a 'twitch' interface space mmo - manual joystick flight control. Black Prophecy is going to release its beta client soon. I have a beta key from them. But their account management system is ******ed - cant get my beta key processed grr
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.18 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue There is a niche for a 'twitch' interface space mmo - manual joystick flight control. Black Prophecy is going to release its beta client soon. I have a beta key from them. But their account management system is ******ed - cant get my beta key processed grr
Some people have been in closed beta for a month if not longer. Can't say more, pesky NDA's. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Miriam Letisse
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Posted - 2010.11.18 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fear
Shivering? no, it's quite warm in the office. I'm quite relaxed :)
CCP Fear has none!
Fear that is.
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