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Riedle
Minmatar MARSOC Galactic
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Posted - 2010.11.19 01:04:00 -
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Does training up your ecm skills, ie: signal dispersion - increase your chance of jams with ecm drones?
thanks!
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.11.19 02:48:00 -
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No.
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Mike Voidstar
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Posted - 2010.11.19 06:10:00 -
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Only insofar as you have to have Electronic Warfare to train for Electronic Warfare Drones---which is handy even if you don't want to use ECM drones since that skill increases the range of all your drones.
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Riedle
Minmatar MARSOC Galactic
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Posted - 2010.11.19 13:49:00 -
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Besides enabling ECM drones and increasing the range of all drones, ECM drone interfacing doesn't seem to effect the effectiveness of ecm drones either.
Too bad that we can't make ecm drones more effective with skills.
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Pharos Pharos
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Posted - 2010.11.21 20:25:00 -
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It's a real shame skills don't effect them because ECM drones are totally, completely, utterly useless right now.
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Schrecklichkeit
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Posted - 2010.11.21 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pharos Pharos It's a real shame skills don't effect them because ECM drones are totally, completely, utterly useless right now.
lol
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.22 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Pharos Pharos It's a real shame skills don't effect them because ECM drones are totally, completely, utterly useless right now.
ahahaha look at this guy
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Pharos Pharos
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Posted - 2010.11.22 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: Pharos Pharos on 22/11/2010 02:31:34
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Pharos Pharos It's a real shame skills don't effect them because ECM drones are totally, completely, utterly useless right now.
Look if you'd like to base the outcome of a battle on some dice rolls feel free.
But look at the facts - medium ECM drones have a jam strength of only 1.5. A hurricane has a sensor strength of 16, which is almost ten times as much!!! With each drone having a ~10% chance to jam and five drones out, your chances of jamming another BC are only 1-0.59049 or 40% per twenty seconds - this assuming you don't recall and redeploy them on missed jams.
Assuming that a typical fight lasts 80k EHP/800dps seconds or about 100, you're seriously saying that you're going to take a 0.07776 percent chance of *not* being able to disengage over the course of the fight against another single BC over extra damage? Admittedly these drones are more useful against frigates but they're still clearly in need of a buff.
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Schrecklichkeit
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Posted - 2010.11.22 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Pharos Pharos
Look if you'd like to base the outcome of a battle on some dice rolls feel free.
But look at the facts - medium ECM drones have a jam strength of only 1.5. A hurricane has a sensor strength of 16, which is almost ten times as much!!! With each drone having a ~10% chance to jam and five drones out, your chances of jamming another BC are only 1-0.59049 or 40% per twenty seconds - this assuming you don't recall and redeploy them on missed jams.
Assuming that a typical fight lasts 80k EHP/800dps seconds or about 100, you're seriously saying that you're going to take a 0.07776 percent chance of *not* being able to disengage over the course of the fight against another single BC over extra damage? Admittedly these drones are more useful against frigates but they're still clearly in need of a buff.
A good example of how (mostly) correct mathematics incorrectly applied to a scenario results in an incorrect conclusion.
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Riedle
Minmatar MARSOC Galactic
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Posted - 2010.11.22 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Pharos Pharos It's a real shame skills don't effect them because ECM drones are totally, completely, utterly useless right now.
lol obviously you do not pvp.
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Eagle Tarquinas
Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.22 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
Originally by: Pharos Pharos It's a real shame skills don't effect them because ECM drones are totally, completely, utterly useless right now.
lol obviously you do not pvp.
Well i was going to give Pharos Pharos a 1/10 until you posted. 6/10 now.
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Riedle
Minmatar MARSOC Galactic
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Posted - 2010.11.22 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Eagle Tarquinas
Originally by: Riedle
Originally by: Pharos Pharos It's a real shame skills don't effect them because ECM drones are totally, completely, utterly useless right now.
lol obviously you do not pvp.
Well i was going to give Pharos Pharos a 1/10 until you posted. 6/10 now.
I, too, thought he was trolling, but he was not. keep reading.. he even does some fail mathz
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 22/11/2010 21:01:07 Why ECM drones are awesome:
Vespa EC-600's have a 1.5 jamming strength. Against a 16 sensor strength hurricane or harbinger, that's "only" a 9.375% chance to jam.
However, to not be jammed by a flight of Vespa EC-600's, a ship has to resist all 5 jamming attempts, each of which he can only do with a 90.625% chance of success. Resisting all five Vespas occurs with probability of only 61.1%, leaving a 38.9% chance of failure.
This means that the target is only doing 61.1% of his normal DPS (or ewar, or whatever). This has the effect of increasing your increasing your survivability by the reciprocal of his DPS output -- a full 63.6% increase.
And that analysis completely ignores the disruptive effects that jamming has on the target's combat routine. He now has to relock the target, reducing his DPS during the lock time cycle, as well. Nevermind the difficulty that he's going to have in breaking an active tank with his lower ammortized DPS output.
How is that not worth losing an (optimistic) 150 DPS from a flight of medium drones, again?
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Doddy
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Pharos Pharos It's a real shame skills don't effect them because ECM drones are totally, completely, utterly useless right now.
Actually the funniest thing i read on these forums all year tbh. Ecm drone are and always have been op
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