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RJBlues
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Posted - 2010.11.19 01:42:00 -
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I was trading with a guy in Motsu, where he put navy ravens and other items in trade.. I put my money in.. We both pressed accept and I ended up with normal ravens. (I saw navy ravens in the trade window).. How do they do this? Is this an exploit? I put a ticket in, but knowing ccp they'll say something along the lines of "this is a known issue,, sorryyy...".. In world of warcraft (the horror!) when you trade with someone and then if either party changes what they are giving the accept buttong gets unclicked and you have to click it again as a measure of security.. This made me feel quite sad, Not sure if I will continue playing after this as I see this as no fault on my part..
So you traders.. Has this happened to you? How do they do it? I didnt spot the switch at all. I'm not whining or anything.. Just curious about how you tackle these things.
tldr : Me feeling sad about being swindled through a fault in the trading system.
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Rustpunk
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2010.11.19 01:45:00 -
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0/10 for failtroll.
On the exceedingly small chance it's otherwise... did you do a "show info" or did you just trust that the ship name set by the pilot would be accurate?
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RJBlues
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Posted - 2010.11.19 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: RJBlues on 19/11/2010 01:51:25 Not a troll..
I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to the game.. Got the isk by getting lucky on the somer website. I thought the item type, but not the item name, would show on the trade window. (Like it does on contracts)
Well, this bit of fail put a halt on my eve career at least :P
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Axemaster
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Posted - 2010.11.19 02:02:00 -
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Live and learn... And then do some scamming of your own!
Nothing better than feeding off the knowledge of others and exploiting it! |
Aleksandar Kerensky
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Posted - 2010.11.19 02:05:00 -
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personal contracts cost 10k isk. EVERYONE asking to trade via trade window is scamming. Just don't ever do it. (If this really isn't a troll that is.) |
mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.11.19 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: mechtech on 19/11/2010 02:07:51 Everyone gets scammed, especially people who ebay characters, buy isk, and luck into early isk somehow (like you). I've personally lost everything I had as a noob, and when you add up all the scams I've fallen for over my 5 years in eve it adds up to be about 15 billion isk total. I'm not proud of it, I'm just making a point that it's almost impossible not to get scammed in eve unless you don't interact with other players at all.
It's not the end of the world, pick up what you have left and move on
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Racketeers
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Posted - 2010.11.19 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: RJBlues I'm a noob
yes
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Flattery
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Posted - 2010.11.19 03:48:00 -
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The important thing is that you're learning the game and trying. You can't win money without finding resources to gamble. Good job getting in there and mixing it up. Go get em, Tiger.
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MSRP
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.19 05:06:00 -
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I have to disagree with the notion that it's impossible to not fall for scams. I've been playing several years and I have no been scammed once. Yes, I interact and trade with other players. All I did was take a piece of knowledge from real life, don't trust anyone.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.11.19 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: MSRP I have to disagree with the notion that it's impossible to not fall for scams. I've been playing several years and I have no been scammed once. Yes, I interact and trade with other players. All I did was take a piece of knowledge from real life, don't trust anyone.
The problem is that you will essentially play the game solo if you really live by that attitude.
Don't trust your corpmates not to empty the hangar with T1 mods, don't trust your alliance not to take down your jumpfreighter for the lulz, don't trust your scout to provide accurate intel, don't trust your FC to know what he's doing, ...
If you want to play this game with other people you have to trust them to some degree.
"Don't trust anyone with more than you can afford to lose" is a much more reasonable stance.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.11.19 11:36:00 -
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OP, always assume that in Jita someone will have quicker fingers or wits than you do.
Always assume they are pulling you a newly discovered exploit or scam. Assume you'll get the double window (nasty to discover if flawlessy executed), the ninja substitution and others (sometimes it's just a rename).
Always prefer swap contracts, well knowing you must always assume items will be renamed, will have forged description, will be substituted with similarly named trash and so on. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.11.19 12:13:00 -
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yeah, i saw some of these guys in Motsu trying it on.
I even accepted a trade with oen to see what he was selling.
The first thing that stuck me as odd, was although these were labeleld as CNR's they werent green in the picture they were blue.
Show info had them still called CNR's but all the flavor text was for Ravens
THe last test was clicking on the little 'eye' button that shows the model in 3D, the title bar for this was labelled Raven.
nice scam, hard to detect if you are in a rush to complete what you think is a quick profit.
i offered 100M for 2 'CNRs', he didnt accept.
SO, next time a character says he eneds to sell faction BS's quickly, dont believe him
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.11.19 14:03:00 -
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Quote: EVERYONE asking to trade via trade window is scamming
Quoted for truth, Read and remember the above. If you really have to do this, always click show info to check it out before you accept.
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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.11.19 14:10:00 -
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Sit in jita and watch local for a while and you'll see how many scams there are out there. Bad ones I see repeated constantly:
A Caldari Navy specific resist shield hardener labelled as an invulnerability field. Non-faction ships labelled as their faction counterparts (CNR is the most common). Regular modules labelled as their faction counterparts.
Not to mention the idiotic "send me isk and I'll double/triple/etc it. I do wonder how much isk people make off of these...it can't be much, but they keep doing it so they must make something.
This is, of course, not to mention all the more difficult scams like crooked lotteries (not all are crooked but some are), and the like.
lesson is, if anyone says its a deal they are probably lying. If you really want an item and to be sure that the item is legit, do an item type search on contracts, as it will force you to see only contracts that actually contain that item. No ravens labelled CNR when you search for Raven Navy Issue.
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RJBlues
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Posted - 2010.11.19 14:20:00 -
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yeah.. The mistake I made was thinking the trade system was consistent in that it behaved in the same way as contracts. I mean that it shows the actual item, not the item name, in trade. Frigging idiotic to do it this way really.
Regarding the Jita scams, I have made money of the guys that say they'll triple the money and such.. Just wait until one starts spewing "1 mil isk sent to <random dude>". They do this to sound legit.. I've sent a mil or two from time to time to them and most of the time they do honor it to encourage more people to send them isk.
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Mike TheMiner
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Posted - 2010.11.19 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: RJBlues
Regarding the Jita scams, I have made money of the guys that say they'll triple the money and such.. Just wait until one starts spewing "1 mil isk sent to <random dude>". They do this to sound legit.. I've sent a mil or two from time to time to them and most of the time they do honor it to encourage more people to send them isk.
Yea alot of them double 5 - 10 million, but as soon as you send 50 or so you dont get it doubled.
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Carnagge
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Posted - 2010.11.19 15:17:00 -
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what is the double trade window scam? how do you buy on contract for 10k isk?
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.11.19 17:00:00 -
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I just skimmed most of the thread, but in case no one actually said what they did:
They bought a Raven. They assembled said Raven. Then they renamed raven from "Scammer's Raven" to "Raven Navy Issue", and put it in your trade window. *** Wish list for PI:
*One-click input routing *Copy product, inputs & outputs in factories *Launchpad upgrades: twice the space, twice the cost, half the hassle! |
Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2010.11.19 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: RJBlues I was trading with a guy in Motsu, where he put navy ravens and other items in trade.. I put my money in.. We both pressed accept and I ended up with normal ravens. (I saw navy ravens in the trade window).. How do they do this? Is this an exploit? I put a ticket in, but knowing ccp they'll say something along the lines of "this is a known issue,, sorryyy...".. In world of warcraft (the horror!) when you trade with someone and then if either party changes what they are giving the accept buttong gets unclicked and you have to click it again as a measure of security.. This made me feel quite sad, Not sure if I will continue playing after this as I see this as no fault on my part..
So you traders.. Has this happened to you? How do they do it? I didnt spot the switch at all. I'm not whining or anything.. Just curious about how you tackle these things.
tldr : Me feeling sad about being swindled through a fault in the trading system.
I can only offer you one piece of advice and it's a good one:
When you're joining an established game do a google search on the game name and the keyword "scam". It'll give you a list of the scams that exist in that game.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.20 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 20/11/2010 01:51:35 1. buy a raven 2. assemble the ship 3. name it "Raven Navy Issue" 4. put it in a trade window 5. ... 6. PROFIT!!!
btw. GMs are not going to help you. It's a legitimate scam.
edit: Wait... did you say 3 bil? For a navy raven?
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RJBlues
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Posted - 2010.11.20 01:54:00 -
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more than 1
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Rustpunk
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2010.11.20 02:09:00 -
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After the upcoming update, this should theoretically be less common since faction ships will appear on the market. ---
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O'nira
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Posted - 2010.11.20 02:27:00 -
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next time you should check the description of the item as well not only the name , the name doesn't tell you **** because people can change it.
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RJBlues
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Posted - 2010.11.20 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: O'nira next time you should check the description of the item as well not only the name , the name doesn't tell you **** because people can change it.
didnt read the thread so far, huh? Takes too much time, huh?
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.20 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: RJBlues
Originally by: O'nira next time you should check the description of the item as well not only the name , the name doesn't tell you **** because people can change it.
didnt read the thread so far, huh? Takes too much time, huh?
Didn't read the Show Info panel, huh? Takes too much time, huh?
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RJBlues
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Posted - 2010.11.20 03:22:00 -
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There is a difference between thinking theres a necessity and just not plain being arsed to, mr smartypants :)
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.20 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Spectre Wraith on 20/11/2010 06:04:24
Quote: And yeah.. I know the GM's are probably not going to help me.. To me this barely qualifies as a scam tho.. If the trading system is so inconsistent (however thats spelled) that is opens up a loophole for people to scam like that and they are just fine with it.. It gives them the excuse to put whatever the **** they want in the game and if people dont like it, or even get hurt by it (like me in this case) then **** them..
Plenty of other games out there. If the item type, not name, appears in contracts, then it should be so as well in personal trades. Period.
It's ironic because in this description you pretty much nail the definition of what a sandbox environment is. It's your safe and cuddly "everything's going to be alright" mentality that gets utterly destroyed by an environment like this.
Hey, at least you're intelligent enough to acknowledge there are other games more suited for you. That's a step in the right direction at least.
In space no one hears you scream, not even when it's like a little baby. Bye.
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Quote: tldr : Me feeling sad about being swindled through a fault of my own.
Fixed your post too. That ones on the house, next one will cost you 3b.
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Carnagge
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Posted - 2010.11.20 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: RJBlues I was trading with a guy in Motsu, where he put navy ravens and other items in trade.. I put my money in.. We both pressed accept and I ended up with normal ravens. (I saw navy ravens in the trade window).. How do they do this? Is this an exploit? I put a ticket in, but knowing ccp they'll say something along the lines of "this is a known issue,, sorryyy...".. In world of warcraft (the horror!) when you trade with someone and then if either party changes what they are giving the accept buttong gets unclicked and you have to click it again as a measure of security.. This made me feel quite sad, Not sure if I will continue playing after this as I see this as no fault on my part..
So you traders.. Has this happened to you? How do they do it? I didnt spot the switch at all. I'm not whining or anything.. Just curious about how you tackle these things.
tldr : Me feeling sad about being swindled through a fault in the trading system.
just a fyi you didn't get scammed you got hussled there is a difference. You didn't do your due diligence on what you were buying or how to buy it to protect yourself. That's your own fault!!!!
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Ruareve
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Posted - 2010.11.20 14:53:00 -
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I like to check out the contract or market prices for the "deals" being flashed in local. Why someone would sell a CNR for 1/2 to 1/3rd of the value of WTB contracts I don't know. They could fill the contract, make more money then their deal and it would be faster then spamming local. It's an easy way to verify a scam.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.11.20 21:15:00 -
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thread needs a haiku easy come easy go, hate to say sucks to be you bro
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