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Othran
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.22 19:48:00 -
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I'm glad to see CCP finally recognised it was always going to be a slippery slope. I didn't think they would so fair play to them.
ISK for remaps is something I think anyone would be fine with. Provided the service is offered by npcs, only npcs and never anything other than npcs it'd be a good isk sink. Gods know theres enough inflation in Eve now, could do with some serious npc isk sinks really.
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Cinnamon Candy
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Posted - 2010.11.22 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: QT McWhiskers 100m says that the prices of plex will drop significantly.
200m says all the speculators are even now unloading their Plex at a ridiculous rate.
Not yet :) ridiculously. But I noticed some speculators posting in MD "It wont drop because of fluff items" which means they started the slow drip and want to slow other people while they're selling theirs. Well its down to 381 now
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.22 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 22/11/2010 20:30:53 Personally I like the idea of more frequent remaps, although I did not support PLEX for it. I think 6 mo is plenty of time for a cooldown, but recognize I alone shouldn't make that decision.
Glad to see CCP listened to the community, and then made the decision they felt was best, Apollo PS T'Amber quit, but did s/he biomass? =============================== || Don't let the Trolls keep you from your goals. || =============================== |
Gelanone
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:11:00 -
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Stupid decision by CCP.
Plex for remaps was a good thing, gives people more flexibility, but nooooo..... |
Alt Tabbed
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Monte Shill And why am I not surpised another hot feature was removed from Incursion, could this expansion suck even more? CCP should just scrap Incursion, Finish DUST514 and World's of Darkness then come back to EVE when you are not all spread out trying to accomplish a dozen tasks at the same time.
I think I talk for everyone when I say that this "feature" being cut off is actually a good thing.
Perhaps not for everyone, but stillà
PLEX-for-remap was the one thing marring what otherwise looked liked the most awesome expansion in ages. Now, "all" they have to do is not botch everything up thoroughly, and Incursion will be 100% winsauceà
I think I speak for myself here when I say:
This.
Originally by: Redshift XIII
Something tells me this guy wouldn't approve of my rocketcane :(
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Not T'amber
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Posted - 2010.11.22 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia He would probably write a another biased proposal,
If you actually read the proposal there are far comments on the first post of the thread for Plex for Remaps than against.
Originally by: Suitonia spam in Dodixie for people to bandwagon about it, attention *****, and then quit.
How else do you think you get people attention in a game, sitting in a room rotating and dribbling? This is how you get things done, I do not care what anyone thinks of me aslong as what ever my goal is gets done.
Originally by: Cinnamon Candy Any way... T'Amber, lol . You would have thought that with all that time dealing with EVE you would have learned patience.
I am not upset at selling my mains nor quiting the csm, nor selling ships of eve. This (non?)development is a step forward and I would like to think that along with the rest of the community who was against this mechanic, that I did helped this happen. I calculated and considered a lot of things and figured my loss was worth it for the community in the long run if it helped in anyway.
There are better ways of increasing learning speeds that don't resort to microtransactions, that everyone can benefit from. Lets hope that CCP notices and impliments them soon.
-Not T'amber
ps. YAY!
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Gravemind GER
Caldari Swords OF TYR Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.11.22 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Not T'amber
Originally by: Suitonia He would probably write a another biased proposal,
If you actually read the proposal there are far comments on the first post of the thread for Plex for Remaps than against.
Originally by: Suitonia spam in Dodixie for people to bandwagon about it, attention *****, and then quit.
How else do you think you get people attention in a game, sitting in a room rotating and dribbling? This is how you get things done, I do not care what anyone thinks of me aslong as what ever my goal is gets done.
Originally by: Cinnamon Candy Any way... T'Amber, lol . You would have thought that with all that time dealing with EVE you would have learned patience.
I am not upset at selling my mains nor quiting the csm, nor selling ships of eve. This (non?)development is a step forward and I would like to think that along with the rest of the community who was against this mechanic, that I did helped this happen. I calculated and considered a lot of things and figured my loss was worth it for the community in the long run if it helped in anyway.
There are better ways of increasing learning speeds that don't resort to microtransactions, that everyone can benefit from. Lets hope that CCP notices and impliments them soon.
-Not T'amber
ps. YAY!
u ghost?
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:03:00 -
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Who is T'Amber and why should I care?
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:11:00 -
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T'Amber has nothing to do with this at all. Maybe he'll make more alts and use some more industry buzzwords wrongly in a huge whine thread.
So as of right now you can get anything ingame for cash (via PLEX) and CCP just confirmed that microtransactions are coming to EVE. Congratulations on your "victory" against microtransactions? - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Not T'amber
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi Who is T'Amber and why should I care?
famous e-prophet, talked alot about the second comming of the holy vessel of the baby-jesus in locals. converted half of amarr to christianity.
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oldmanst4r
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:14:00 -
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Am I seriously the only one who was looking forward to Plex for Remaps? I mean, I'm not hugely miffed at the feature being cut. I also understand the whole slippery slope (*cough* Red Asia domino theory *cough) argument for opposing it. But, I still thought it would be nice to shuffle my attributes around more than, y'know, once per year.
*shrug* oh well, guess i'll have to wait a few more months for a re-map.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Not T'amber
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit Congratulations on your "victory" against microtransactions?
Vanity only is better than community breaking. I will take that as a win, thanks! now all we need to fix ingame are isk faucets and valves!
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Not T'amber
Originally by: Vaal Erit Congratulations on your "victory" against microtransactions?
Vanity only is better than community breaking. I will take that as a win, thanks! now all we need to fix ingame are isk faucets and valves!
Remap boosters are a great idea, and should be brought into the game in some fashion (Incursion BPC drop or something).
However, PLEX for remaps is a terrible idea due to the "slippery slope" fear.
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:27:00 -
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i was hoping to see isk for remap, massive isk sink, incoming but again ./facepalm *****ing on forums gets the .01% of the population what they want, cause thats majority in their eyes.
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Othran
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 22/11/2010 23:31:42
Originally by: oldmanst4r Am I seriously the only one who was looking forward to Plex for Remaps? I mean, I'm not hugely miffed at the feature being cut. I also understand the whole slippery slope (*cough* Red Asia domino theory *cough) argument for opposing it. But, I still thought it would be nice to shuffle my attributes around more than, y'know, once per year.
*shrug* oh well, guess i'll have to wait a few more months for a re-map.
Its fairly simple and would do the in-game economy a hell of a lot of good - sell remaps at 500mill ISK for one extra remap a year, 1bill for two extra a year. npcs take the money which vanishes from the economy.
The problem with it being PLEX is simply that the slippery slope is paved with real money
If it were isk-based only then its a bit of an isk-sink (helps deflate the bubble economy) and it can be accessed by people with real money AND in-game money. Edit - umm put the last bit badly, should have read "accessed EQUALLY by people...."
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cunane
Originally by: Grimpak think I talk for everyone when I say that this "feature" being cut off is actually a good thing.
Speak for yourself, I changed my mind after remapping and was actually hoping for plex for remap to fix it!
Nevermind, only 11 months to go.
Personally I am against remapping feature too.... and not to mention the training queue.. yah. I know Im a spoilsport..
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: oldmanst4r Am I seriously the only one who was looking forward to Plex for Remaps?
No, you are not. Not that I was planning to use the feature right away, but it would've surely been nice to have the option if I wanted to remap more than once a year.
But as Vaal Erit pointed out above, aside from the removal of this particular feature, this announcement amounts to a deftly pulled-off sleight-of-hand, placating a raging and fearful user-base about "buying things that affect gameplay with cash", while at the same time deflecting attention from the elephant in the room that EVE has already been allowing people to precisely do that for quite some time through GTC/PLEX - they just won't be using the word "micro-transactions" to describe those.
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Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Idicious Lightbane on 22/11/2010 23:51:27 Thank you CCP for not giving in to the micro-transaction for ingame benefits trend I am not apposed to some form of getting remaps quicker but making it micro-transaction, and thus making it so PLEX is no longer simply 1 person paying the subscription for another for ISK. It was a minor thing but was a bad president to set, maybe as others have suggested simply available through an (expensive) in game item perhaps close to the value of PLEX? PLEX for purely vanity items is alright I guess, increases your revenue stream while not giving anyone an in game advantage with it, leaving people free to compete in every way with the rest who only pay monthly subscriptions.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.11.23 00:23:00 -
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CCP leaves out that most MMO's are going F2P with ingame items BEING the cost...
Hey lets look at World of Tanks...
500k active subs in a beta...
FREE TO PLAY
You use Gold *your money item* to buy... ammo that is a *little* better, ****ty tanks (not godly ones), and, a normal "sub" to the game that nets you, more 50% more exp/cash per game...
So now lets look at eve... PAY to PLAY... and now lol... please, you REALLY think they are gona stop... so right this second the epic money grab failed... don't think they won't do the same **** again.
CCP just BSed you in that blog... kinda left out how the mmo's are going FREE... not SUB AND extra
O ya and CCP you can take your free worthless buggy expansions and shove them up your ass.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.11.23 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 23/11/2010 01:20:35
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Monte Shill And why am I not surpised another hot feature was removed from Incursion, could this expansion suck even more? CCP should just scrap Incursion, Finish DUST514 and World's of Darkness then come back to EVE when you are not all spread out trying to accomplish a dozen tasks at the same time.
I think I talk for everyone when I say that this "feature" being cut off is actually a good thing.
Perhaps not for everyone, but stillà
PLEX-for-remap was the one thing marring what otherwise looked liked the most awesome expansion in ages. Now, "all" they have to do is not botch everything up thoroughly, and Incursion will be 100% winsauceà
PLEX for remap was the only thing that would be marginally useful for me in this EVE damned expansion. The only thing CCP can do to make it worse is to $%^& the UI or something again, which is not that unlikely.
CCP, stop $%^&ing listening to the 11 year olds whose mommies won't give them any more money so they come and whine on your forums. ___________
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Derth Ramir
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Posted - 2010.11.23 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gravemind GER
Originally by: Aiwha PLEX for ridiculously large poofy hats!
Noooooooooooooooooooo!
win
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.11.23 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Not T'amber
Originally by: Suitonia He would probably write a another biased proposal,
If you actually read the proposal there are far comments on the first post of the thread for Plex for Remaps than against.
Actually, I was talking about this part of your proposal here
Quote: Vote Yes - you do not mind 12yearolds stealing their parents money because they're so crap at the game that they need to buy more animals for their farm.. because you can then you blow em up and take all their stuff!!
You not only personally insulted anyone who wants to 'counter' your proposal, which is the whole point of the assembly hall, to vote for/against and discuss a proposal. But this is obviously extreme bias. You are entitled to your opinion of course, however it's not something which should be put into a proposal, and you certainly shouldn't stoop to personally insulting anyone who has a different point of view to you, hence my bandwagoning comment. I'm sure people would be equally upset with me if I posted a counter proposal, saying "vote no if your an unemployed bum living in your mothers basement or working in McDonalds" or some equally stupid straw man argument. ---
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Lilla Kharn
Amarr Shadow Navy
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Posted - 2010.11.23 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: alittlebirdy CCP leaves out that most MMO's are going F2P with ingame items BEING the cost...
Hey lets look at World of Tanks...
500k active subs in a beta...
FREE TO PLAY
You use Gold *your money item* to buy... ammo that is a *little* better, ****ty tanks (not godly ones), and, a normal "sub" to the game that nets you, more 50% more exp/cash per game...
So now lets look at eve... PAY to PLAY... and now lol... please, you REALLY think they are gona stop... so right this second the epic money grab failed... don't think they won't do the same **** again.
CCP just BSed you in that blog... kinda left out how the mmo's are going FREE... not SUB AND extra
O ya and CCP you can take your free worthless buggy expansions and shove them up your ass.
CCP's business model is not a F2P business model, so why should they compare to that kind of model? From someone who came from playing F2P games, in order to do anything you want in the game you will basically be spending more on a free game than you will a paid one. Now does that sound fair to the consumer?
Yes it does. NEW MMO's are leaning towards free because when you start playing it sounds awesome. CCP made no mention of this. They were not comparing the types of business models different companies will use when making an MMO, just the ones that are relevant. We could spend hours and pages talking about different models and their strengths and weaknesses.
And if you don't want any free expansions, you don't have to download them. You would rather be stuck back in Red Moon or something? CCP could easily charge you an extra $20 for the expansion, that doesn't mean it will get any better. From a personal point of view, I am happy for an expansion that includes more fixes than content, especially with the size and content of the next expansion. One thing that needs to be learned in EVE is patience. If waiting an extra 6 months means that we will be getting a more complete product, I am in for it. But I also keep in mind that CCP gives us free expansions instead of charging for it and, like all companies, CCP looks at all options to diversify their income.
*On another note* For those that are complaining that CCP won't be implementing this feature because of the 'forum whiners', it is because they know how to vocalize their opinion better. When looking at the forums from an unbiased point of view the 'whiners' make a louder demonstration therefore making it seem as if they are the majority. If everyone who wanted it to happen posted with as much enthusiasm as those who didn't the majority would be clearly defined.
Though it would be nice if CCP offered a poll system with our new forums.... ============================================= "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.23 02:45:00 -
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This was all just a play so CCP alts could unload all their stock piles of plexs at a rate inflated from the past few months
Slade
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Helmh0ltz
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Posted - 2010.11.23 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon This was all just a play so CCP alts could unload all their stock piles of plexs at a rate inflated from the past few months
Slade
Srsly, yes. ====== I am for sale! Thread Character Sheet |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.11.23 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ejit I was looking forward to plex for remaps.
Well done CCP for listening to forum whining bitter vets. Who's only motive for complaining about this harmless feature would be their paranoia about losing their edge over new players, and the fact that it wasn't available when they started.
This my fellow pod pilot..is what eve is all about,for me anyway.Older players have earned their edge by paying a few thousand over the last years,and grinding to make a character worth anything.Why should new players get it handed to them?Good to see ccp finally woke up.
This has made my day I admit
And I only see one other mmo out there that survived..the rest all die.Why ccp would you want to follow them?Stay on your path and you will come out on top.The players who look for the short path to the top get bored just as fast and search for the next cheap thrill..who needs em.
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Frozen T'amber
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Posted - 2010.11.23 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Not T'amber
Originally by: Suitonia He would probably write a another biased proposal,
If you actually read the proposal there are far comments on the first post of the thread for Plex for Remaps than against.
Actually, I was talking about this part of your proposal here
Quote: Vote Yes - you do not mind 12yearolds stealing their parents money because they're so crap at the game that they need to buy more animals for their farm.. because you can then you blow em up and take all their stuff!!
You not only personally insulted anyone who wants to 'counter' your proposal, which is the whole point of the assembly hall, to vote for/against and discuss a proposal. But this is obviously extreme bias. You are entitled to your opinion of course, however it's not something which should be put into a proposal, and you certainly shouldn't stoop to personally insulting anyone who has a different point of view to you, hence my bandwagoning comment. I'm sure people would be equally upset with me if I posted a counter proposal, saying "vote no if your an unemployed bum living in your mothers basement or working in McDonalds" or some equally stupid straw man argument.
oh. I actually added it as a request from someone pro MT, its also one of the only things that I personally thought would be good about MT - You should have mentioned something earlier as I am not adverse to editing my posts on request.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.11.23 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mr LaForge Edited by: Mr LaForge on 22/11/2010 17:33:14 http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=815
She wouldn't have left Eve if this had been announced a month ago.
A) What made think that the whole remap for plex wasn't a massive ccp troll?
B) What made you think T'Amber ever actually left?
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Oni Triad
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Posted - 2010.11.23 08:18:00 -
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That's so so so so sad. Lol.
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Sinister Dextor
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Posted - 2010.11.23 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sinister Dextor on 23/11/2010 09:22:36 I'm pleasantly surprised by this decision, looks like CCP have stepped back from the slippery slope. If people want to waste money on 'vanity' items, then please make them things that drop when their ships asplode. (Or at least DESTRUCTIBLE )
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