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nik2268
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Posted - 2010.11.23 10:45:00 -
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what's happened to trimarks? i haven't played for a wile, come back and see they have spiked in prices :o so i checked armor plates and see same graph spike in there - anybody care to enlighten me why there is suddenly such shortage and/or demand with these???
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2010.11.23 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: nik2268 what's happened to trimarks? i haven't played for a wile, come back and see they have spiked in prices :o so i checked armor plates and see same graph spike in there - anybody care to enlighten me why there is suddenly such shortage and/or demand with these???
Personally I think the problem is with that some players who are buying salvage material on the regional level, and those driving the prices up. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shields are like pants, they're supposed to come off. Armor is like the condom once its gone ur ****ed |
Atandros
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Posted - 2010.11.23 11:38:00 -
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Growing demand, since the number of SCs is skyrocketing (see the QEN), and supply is fixed (you can't produce more salvage, like you can ships, minerals, LP or anything else in the game; and all salvage goes into rigs since it has no value other than as a rig component), with the only caveat that, at some unclear point, producing T2 ships to blow them up for Intact Armor Plates becomes profitable, making it possible to increase quantity - but it's a point we either haven't reached yet or, if we have, that hasn't been realized on a mass scale. So if quantity can't change in response to demand, the price will, and since demand for Large Trimark IIs is pretty price-inelastic at this point (who cares about an extra couple of hundred mil after spending between 20B and 30B on a supercarrier), their price and their components' price shot upward. It's very straightforward once you think about the factors involved.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.11.23 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Atandros Growing demand, since the number of SCs is skyrocketing (see the QEN), and supply is fixed (you can't produce more salvage, like you can ships, minerals, LP or anything else in the game; and all salvage goes into rigs since it has no value other than as a rig component), with the only caveat that, at some unclear point, producing T2 ships to blow them up for Intact Armor Plates becomes profitable, making it possible to increase quantity - but it's a point we either haven't reached yet or, if we have, that hasn't been realized on a mass scale. So if quantity can't change in response to demand, the price will, and since demand for Large Trimark IIs is pretty price-inelastic at this point (who cares about an extra couple of hundred mil after spending between 20B and 30B on a supercarrier), their price and their components' price shot upward. It's very straightforward once you think about the factors involved.
Supply is anything but fixed - there are a large number of people who don't salvage their missions. As prices for salvage go up (provided those people notice) more of them bother to salvage.
Kithran
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Eipar Markand
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Posted - 2010.11.23 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Eipar Markand on 23/11/2010 12:28:04
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Atandros
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Posted - 2010.11.23 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kithran
Originally by: Atandros Growing demand, since the number of SCs is skyrocketing (see the QEN), and supply is fixed (you can't produce more salvage, like you can ships, minerals, LP or anything else in the game; and all salvage goes into rigs since it has no value other than as a rig component), with the only caveat that, at some unclear point, producing T2 ships to blow them up for Intact Armor Plates becomes profitable, making it possible to increase quantity - but it's a point we either haven't reached yet or, if we have, that hasn't been realized on a mass scale. So if quantity can't change in response to demand, the price will, and since demand for Large Trimark IIs is pretty price-inelastic at this point (who cares about an extra couple of hundred mil after spending between 20B and 30B on a supercarrier), their price and their components' price shot upward. It's very straightforward once you think about the factors involved.
Supply is anything but fixed - there are a large number of people who don't salvage their missions. As prices for salvage go up (provided those people notice) more of them bother to salvage.
Kithran
You're completely right, as far as non-intact Armor Plates and T1 Trimarks are concerned. I had wrongly understood the OP was talking about T2 Trimarks and Intact plates. Edited my post accordingly.
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Ovella
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Posted - 2010.11.23 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: nik2268 what's happened to trimarks? i haven't played for a wile, come back and see they have spiked in prices :o so i checked armor plates and see same graph spike in there - anybody care to enlighten me why there is suddenly such shortage and/or demand with these???
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.23 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 23/11/2010 12:57:10
Originally by: nik2268 what's happened to trimarks? i haven't played for a wile, come back and see they have spiked in prices :o so i checked armor plates and see same graph spike in there - anybody care to enlighten me why there is suddenly such shortage and/or demand with these???
Regions of Sansha 0.0 are currently being actively fought over and are therefore being exploited at a much lower level than usual.
EDIT: there are also multiple regional conflicts going on, with lots of ships dying. So demand is up, too.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Rasz Lin
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.11.23 13:45:00 -
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Forget trimarks, look at other T1 rigs, even cheap to produce ones (shield extenders) are overpriced. 16mil to make LCDFE but they are around 20mil now. Looks like T1 producers got lazy. Not to mention we are running out of T1 ships in Jita on a weekly basis now.
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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.23 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Atandros Edited by: Atandros on 23/11/2010 12:32:02
Growing demand, since the number of SCs is skyrocketing (see the QEN), and supply is fixed (you can't produce more salvage, like you can ships, minerals, LP or anything else in the game;
While I can appreciate an earnest effort to manipulate the intact armor plates market, it's worth remembering that almost no goods, including as it turns out, intact armor plates, have fixed supply.
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Manipulation Attempt
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Posted - 2010.11.23 15:58:00 -
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2010.11.23 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Atandros ...producing T2 ships to blow them up for Intact Armor Plates becomes profitable, making it possible to increase quantity - but it's a point we either haven't reached yet or, if we have, that hasn't been realized on a mass scale.
I use this as an ATM when I need isk.
KB
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Atandros
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Posted - 2010.11.23 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Atandros on 23/11/2010 19:32:38
Originally by: Tasko Pal
Originally by: Atandros Edited by: Atandros on 23/11/2010 12:32:02
Growing demand, since the number of SCs is skyrocketing (see the QEN), and supply is fixed (you can't produce more salvage, like you can ships, minerals, LP or anything else in the game;
While I can appreciate an earnest effort to manipulate the intact armor plates market, it's worth remembering that almost no goods, including as it turns out, intact armor plates, have fixed supply.
In the medium and long term, certainly, because ship losses keep rising and because people take more risks to salvage wrecks when salvage value is higher (the latter is a near-negligible aspect, but I'm sure at the macro level it adds up to a figure at least higher than a rounding error). I only meant that, other than salvaging more wrecks, or using produced T2 ships like an ATM (which only works when salvage component prices reach certain levels, ensuring a floor for the components) individuals can't put more T2 salvage on the market through their efforts - which is crucial for the short term. :)
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Herman Klaus
Caldari Touched By Klaus
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Posted - 2010.11.23 22:25:00 -
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If this is so then why are Intact Armor Plates bombing?
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Atandros
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.11.23 22:44:00 -
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My guess is that we've reached at the price floor I described, and more and more people have realized that and started doing the same thing KaarBaak is doing.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.11.24 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 24/11/2010 21:11:13 Looks rather like someone is trying to deliberately force the prices down, or dumping stock with major price cuts. There was a 60 item order on earlier and it's almost all gone, but since this afternoon price has dropped by a few hundred thousand isk. I wonder wonder wonder what will happen next :) I reckon a price rise is on the cards though.
Interesting idea about the price floor though, I wonder how hard that floor will be and what the turning point is?
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Herman Klaus
Caldari Touched By Klaus
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Posted - 2010.11.24 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 24/11/2010 21:11:13 Looks rather like someone is trying to deliberately force the prices down, or dumping stock with major price cuts. There was a 60 item order on earlier and it's almost all gone, but since this afternoon price has dropped by a few hundred thousand isk. I wonder wonder wonder what will happen next :) I reckon a price rise is on the cards though.
Interesting idea about the price floor though, I wonder how hard that floor will be and what the turning point is?
WASN'T ME
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.11.25 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Herman Klaus
Originally by: Caldariftw123 Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 24/11/2010 21:11:13 Looks rather like someone is trying to deliberately force the prices down, or dumping stock with major price cuts. There was a 60 item order on earlier and it's almost all gone, but since this afternoon price has dropped by a few hundred thousand isk. I wonder wonder wonder what will happen next :) I reckon a price rise is on the cards though.
Interesting idea about the price floor though, I wonder how hard that floor will be and what the turning point is?
WASN'T ME
haha ok ;) I am curious what "whoever it was" was doing? I understand if they don't want to divulge .. but I am wondering what the plan was, why they did what they did. *I will admit to having a few items myself, a high price would be favourable :D But I really only have a few, it's not my main market, I was just 'testing' seeing how the market moved, so would like to know what factors are in play with it..
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2010.11.25 13:49:00 -
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Mmm now that you say it - it mite just be worthwhile removing one HML and plugging in a salvager on my belt ratter drake...
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