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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Amateratsu It amounts to a drop of 72sp per hour, 600k sp per year for a min/max remap. its a minimal loss that 99.9% of players will barely even notice. Plan what your gonna do with the extra sp your have for redistribution and be happy.
Screw the SP totals, I have run out of useful stuff to train more than a year ago anyway. No, the more important aspect is the complete disregard for OCD sufferers which so obviously make up a big part of the EVE player base. Having a sum of 39 base attribute points was bad enough, but having 99 instead of 100 is soooooo much worse ! Also, why 19 charisma and 20 everything else ? WHY ? They're taunting us, calling us ugly and unwanted and whatever ! A great injustice on par, nay, far worse than any of the t20 scandals !
P.S. Assume mild sarcasm tags flank this entire post. P.P.S. Probably the entire thread. _
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Amateratsu
It amounts to a drop of 72sp per hour, 600k sp per year for a min/max remap. its a minimal loss that 99.9% of players will barely even notice.
Plan what your gonna do with the extra sp your have for redistribution and be happy.
It works both ways. Since the affects would be barely noticable, there is little reason for CCP to not add that 1 extra point and make even more people happy.
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irion felpamy
Minmatar Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Kaar Proof some people will complain about anything.
You must be new to the internets. Welcome.
Its may be a common off the cuff remark that people will whine about anything but deep down don't you also want to belive that if someone woke up in a mansion to a handjob from one of the two beautiful women in the bed they would not immediatly complain one of them had smudged her eyeliner?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: irion felpamy Its may be a common off the cuff remark that people will whine about anything but deep down don't you also want to belive that if someone woke up in a mansion to a handjob from one of the two beautiful women in the bed they would not immediatly complain one of them had smudged her eyeliner?
Why, of course not... my first two thoughts would be "why is the other one just sitting there" and immediately followed by "why are there exactly TWO women in bed with me" _
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:25:00 -
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I agree we get +1 base attribute point. I feel nerfed as my 33 perception will go down to 32 :<
99 is just such a strange number
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:25:00 -
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Quote: storm in a teacup
Tempest in a teapot, god damn it.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/11/2010 14:32:27
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Quote: storm in a teacup
Tempest in a teapot, god damn it.
Gaseous eruption in the chamberpot !
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I agree we get +1 base attribute point. I feel nerfed as my 33 perception will go down to 32 :< 99 is just such a strange number
Convert #3 \o/ _
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:34:00 -
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Actually the number of attribute points isn't that important, it's the number of points you can redistribute when remappeing that's more important? Now if I could put all 99 into perception ......
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Kaito Haakkainen
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:35:00 -
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99 base AP? Outraeg!
Also my character highly resents the implication that capsuleers are somehow slightly deficient when it comes to being charismatic.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Quote: storm in a teacup
Tempest in a teapot, god damn it.
Gaseous eruption in the chamberpot !
watch out for splatterage.... ewwww @x@
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 25/11/2010 14:43:48
Originally by: Mag's I agree it should be 20/20/20/20/20.
I am definitely not OCD, but I also agree.
EDIT: But I guess this is CCP's way of showing all of EVE how much of a bastard child charisma is in EVE.
Slade
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Umm, the CSM passed a proposal a few months back advocating exactly this change -- with [some differences]
They pretty much had the same 20/20/20/20/20 idea _
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:02:00 -
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NAPSTER BAD! 20/20/20/20/20 GOOD!
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Mikel Laurentson
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 25/11/2010 13:56:19
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Before the change, you had a max of (39 base + 25 basics + 25 advanceds + 25 implants)*1.1 learning = 125.4 maximum total possible. After the change, you will have 39+60 = 99 base + 25 implants = 124 max total, or an overall loss of 1.4 attribute points. Even if you ignore the skill that very few people train to L5, Presence, that's still a loss of 0.3 attribute points.
Ok, it's not a big drop (barely over 1% at a maximum and negligible for long-term "sensible" plans), but its still a drop nevertheless.
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IMO, they should have only removed the 10 attribute-based learnings and added 10 to each basic value, but left the "learning" skill in place (the only "oddball" one), and nothing would be different at all. MOST of the learning skills would be gone, and the only remaining one would be easily trained.
Even more alternatively, yeah, go ahead with your plan, but also give us all an extra free remap and 2 unassigned attribute points, for +0.6 total additional max attribute points. I'd like that more.
Or, heck, just ONE extra, and dump it (temporarily) into charisma. That's only 0.4 loss at max possible attribute total potential (which is still not quite ok, but meh, that I can easily live with, even if I am almost done training even that now-completely-useless skill), and actually a 0.7 gain compared to "all L5 except L4 Presence" learning plans. That would render the starting player attributes 20/20/20/20/20 instead of the "proposed" 20/20/20/20/19cha. It makes far more sense that way.
DEAR NON-CAREFUL READERS, I am not complaining the learning skills get removed. What I am drawing attention to is the fine-tuning of the added attributes.
Make new players start at 20/20/20/20/20 instead of 20/20/20/20/19.
In other words, I ask at least for one extra base attribute point for everybody, for 100 base attribute total instead of 99, so that the maximum possible will be not just 124, but 125, closer to the old possible maximum of 125.4
MY OCD DEMANDS IT !!!
If you had a full set of +5s and all learning at five, you should already have HardenedTFU, surely?
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Derus Grobb
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:17:00 -
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ffs............ ---
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Retromash
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kaito Haakkainen 99 base AP? Outraeg!
Also my character highly resents the implication that capsuleers are somehow slightly deficient when it comes to being charismatic.
Being Caldari, You should be used to slight deficiencies.
PMS - It's not just for THAT time of the month Menopause - It doesn't mean THAT time of the month goes away
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:24:00 -
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i offer my not-at-all humble support for this thread. while 99 has its certain charm, 100 is just so much better. just say it. hundred. mhm. hundred. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:44:00 -
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Coincidence or not that 99 looks similar to qq. ___
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Shaalira D'arc
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:52:00 -
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Never change, Akita.
/supported for the just cause of placating OCD twitching.
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Amateratsu
It amounts to a drop of 72sp per hour, 600k sp per year for a min/max remap. its a minimal loss that 99.9% of players will barely even notice.
**** those players, they obviously don't take the game seriously enough!
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RedrickShoohart Joker
SoT
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Posted - 2010.11.25 16:09:00 -
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I think CCP should use 12.28 EXTRA POINTS -))
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.25 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mikel Laurentson If you had a full set of +5s and all learning at five, you should already have HardenedTFU, surely?
Surely, you can read what you quote ? No ? Ok... _
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Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.25 16:30:00 -
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Ironic that CCP makes a broad sweeping change, yet sticks to the archaic system of having one attribute slightly lower than the rest if on an even scale.
Might as well make the change CCP to an even 20 for every attribute.
*supports Akita T.
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Feligast
Minmatar Intentionally Destructive
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Posted - 2010.11.25 16:33:00 -
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Knowing the horror of OCD, I will count myself amongst the converted. 20/20/20/20/20 is ok by me.
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Feligast
Minmatar Intentionally Destructive
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Posted - 2010.11.25 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cobalt Sixty
Originally by: Amateratsu
It amounts to a drop of 72sp per hour, 600k sp per year for a min/max remap. its a minimal loss that 99.9% of players will barely even notice.
**** those players, they obviously don't take the game seriously enough!
Because internet spaceships pixels are SRS BSNS!
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Zeuth Proxy
Caldari Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2010.11.25 16:48:00 -
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I agree with this change. As a person who is spending their time training pointless skills to 4 just to get the skill sheet correct having the odd 19 would anger me. Same with the mining 1 I had to train to 4.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.11.25 17:42:00 -
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/signed
Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.11.25 17:55:00 -
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I want my 1 extra whole point. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 1SEPT10
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Natalia Kovac
Minmatar NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.25 18:03:00 -
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Only a problem if you are one of those all level V learning losers. 5/4 represent! 2.2 mil free xp, i'll take it!
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Seriously, this is like someone giving you 990,000 pounds and then complaining that they didn't give you a million.
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I'thari
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.25 18:21:00 -
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Nah, make it 20/20/20/20/20.4 with 0.4 unremappable... just for the lulz from future whining about charisma being usless attribute |
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