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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris Rite of passage my arse.
I am not sure how to interpret that statement.
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: iluvtogank new players needs to experience training learning skills. it is a rite of passage to eve.
sad day for veterans who agrees?
open your wallet and pay for all that subscription time whilst ghost training, then you might have an argument.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: iluvtogank new players needs to experience training learning skills. it is a rite of passage to eve.
sad day for veterans who agrees?
I don't agree.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak I, as a bitter old jaded and full of hate veteran, for one, welcome this change.
06, bitter, and happy to have 2-3m sp to distribute on all characters.
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Alyth
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Slavemaster
Originally by: Alyth
Originally by: Slavemaster
ehh, take learning V, that will only pay for it self in 1.3 years (can you see the Ironi) or so. If you used that training time on other skills, you will gain more Isk. If you combine them that will give you Battleship V. So, the problem here is not that you get it back, but you lose ISK, Time... Ex -> 10% More Damage is 10% more ISK Per H +++
AND; Sunny there are many out there who have payed lots of extra isk chr with high learning skills, for them thats a big down trip, and many have even payed for it with real money....
Read the blog to see why there is no refund on books you have injected already. Something along the lines of injecting 16 trillion ISK into the economy. For people individually that may only be 20m each, for people with multiple accounts and chars with maxed learning skills thats a fricking goldmine. Take Chribba for (an extreme) example. He has 28 alts (yes he also has four titans but this is just an example) each alt gets 20m back, that gives him an instant windfall of 560m ISK. For nothing. This would be bad as you can probably imagine. I have 3 accounts with 3 chars with maxed learning skills on each, that would give me 180m instantly, not quite as bad as 560m but still a bad idea to be giving those amounts of money to people, even if it is something they have previously invested.
With regards to buying skills with plex, thats a simple "that's your problem not mine" scenario. It's the same as having bought plex to fund a faction fitted Nightmare for example, sure you spent real world money to buy and fit it, but it's your own loss if it gets suicided in highsec.
The problem is that there are also peaople in EVE that train Chr for sale, and buy, resell. If it was 1 year from now they could adjust. 20 mil isk for the books is not the problem...
True, it would kill that particular market but at the end of the day compared to other character sales, like capship pilots, that's not gonna have a ginormous impact on the game or markets tbh. In fact, it's likely to boost the sales of characters because it's gonna be faster to get them into other ships now.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak I, as a bitter old jaded and full of hate veteran, for one, welcome this change.
me too, the month i wasted to traing the learning skills that i had basicly completely forgottern about, i now get to spend 5 mil sp on whatever i wish.
Vets and newbs rejoice!
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Drunxt
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Posted - 2010.11.25 14:57:00 -
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...i don't really feel well about that...now!
at first i was also like "yoohoooo.." "yeeahhh" "bring it on..."
but now i'm like "...waaaitttt a minute..."
Eve has (or..had?) a unique SP gaining system among other MMORPGS where you should run for hours..days..weeks with a stick in the forest and harass some stupidly unitelligent AI to get some leveling...
In eve - things are different. But, with this kind of simplification, I'm afraid, what will be the next steps. The whole skills system is CONFUSING fro noobs. YES! That's why it's eve! You need to spend some THINKING time to get your char right.
If ccp aims on simplifying this part of a gameplay - we might end up also running on the planets with a "stick harassing some space goblins to get our sp".
So, some sp to redistribute - is fun, but the whole trend if it goes on - NOT. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Drunxt ...i don't really feel well about that...now!
at first i was also like "yoohoooo.." "yeeahhh" "bring it on..."
but now i'm like "...waaaitttt a minute..."
Eve has (or..had?) a unique SP gaining system among other MMORPGS where you should run for hours..days..weeks with a stick in the forest and harass some stupidly unitelligent AI to get some leveling...
In eve - things are different. But, with this kind of simplification, I'm afraid, what will be the next steps. The whole skills system is CONFUSING fro noobs. YES! That's why it's eve! You need to spend some THINKING time to get your char right.
If ccp aims on simplifying this part of a gameplay - we might end up also running on the planets with a "stick harassing some space goblins to get our sp".
So, some sp to redistribute - is fun, but the whole trend if it goes on - NOT.
WTS tinfoil hats.
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Ysolde Xen
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:18:00 -
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Not this cynical ol' vet (if '04 counts). Screw those learning skills with a watermelon, I like the sound of Xmill SP to instapop a few long level 5s and then continuing on with skill training as if nothing had happened. The 2 extra attribute points on top of the 5+5 being refunded will help to even things out as well if you're obsessed over the loss of a handful of SP.
The best part is: new players won't be put off by all the rubbish 'advice' they're given not to undock until they've done their learning skills.
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Con Ton
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:23:00 -
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Ok So This Is my first post here ever and right of the bat I am going to prove I am a Moron.
So as I see it there will be no more skills books to be sold very soon: Not bad I save a ton of ISK on skill books:)
I will be reimbursed for the skill books I have in my hanger: Great I was planing ahead and have some rather expensive skill books. I can use the extra cash:
That all the SP I have trained so far will be reimbursed and I will be able to put them towards any training I like: Well seeing as I seriously trained a bunch of crud I didn't need this is good to I might be able to get first toon to orca and second toon to retriever now if I get rid of all the crude I don't use:)
I will get 12 more points to remap. Cool but on one toon my next remap isn't till next year about October I don't see how that is going to help. On this toon it is going to help a lot:)
So did I get all this right? Or did I totally miss the concept here?
Because after the shock and panic this don't seem so bad in the long run. Now Both my toons are very young. Less than two months old so be gently when you tell me how much of a fraking moron I am :)
Fly Safe now and Always people!!!
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Shyleia
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:24:00 -
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I completely agree. I started playing after a few friends, so the first thing I did was the learning tree. This was definitely a rite of passage. I tried to get my noob friends to train learning skills, and no one would ever listen. Now since everyone is ignorant and arrogant, CCP is going to take away my hard earned skills. This is the same award system that is being seen around the globe right now. "Screw up and don't listen, but we'll(governments and corporations) make it better by punishing those who did listen." MESSAGE!!!! Reward failure.
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Sporked
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sporked on 25/11/2010 15:39:58
Quote: Ok So This Is my first post here ever and right of the bat I am going to prove I am a Moron.
So as I see it there will be no more skills books to be sold very soon: Not bad I save a ton of ISK on skill books:) I will be reimbursed for the skill books I have in my hanger: Great I was planing ahead and have some rather expensive skill books. I can use the extra cash:
That's not exactly moronic :p
Quote: That all the SP I have trained so far will be reimbursed and I will be able to put them towards any training I like: Well seeing as I seriously trained a bunch of crud I didn't need this is good to I might be able to get first toon to orca and second toon to retriever now if I get rid of all the crude I don't use:)
Also a pretty effective use of the points :p I plan to get Minnie BS V out of it myself.
Quote: I will get 12 more points to remap. Cool but on one toon my next remap isn't till next year about October I don't see how that is going to help. On this toon it is going to help a lot :)
So did I get all this right? Or did I totally miss the concept here?
It's not going to be points to remap, it's going to be added directly to your base skills. For example say you have as a base amount 8 mem/per/will/int and 7 cha you'll instead have 20/20/20/20/19 as the BASE amount. You won't be able to remap any of those points.
Quote: Because after the shock and panic this don't seem so bad in the long run. Now Both my toons are very young. Less than two months old so be gently when you tell me how much of a fraking moron I am :)
Fly Safe now and Always people!!!
Not moronic, just misunderstanding things. Also flying safe is boring, explosions are better :3
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:41:00 -
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Mmmm, tears, they taste so good.
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Shadow Nebulae
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: iluvtogank new players needs to experience training learning skills. it is a rite of passage to eve.
sad day for veterans who agrees?
So you can reimburse 5 m SP and YOU WHINE ABOUT IT?
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:48:00 -
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leadership skills to v and zero effort or keep those 2+ mill in useless skills?
ill take instant charisma heavily skills any day thanks
Hoppit!
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Con Ton
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:50:00 -
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thanks So The bases will be those numbers and then what ever remapping that I have done will thake effect so I don't see why everyone is upset about this. you don't have to spend crazy money on books anymore poor toons rejoice.
My Corp just had a question.
What about implants?
They keeping those?
I for one would love to see them go but then of course then what would the intensive be not to get into dangerous things. If there is no fear of losing your 'plants you die and are reborn like any other game.
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HIT GYRL
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:50:00 -
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Learning skills just make sense for longer plans, where you have to skill for months and you will save a lot of days finally.
The problem is: without tools like EVEMon you will not understand theses skills when you start the game. But not understanding EVE asap is exactly what makes this game special. When you have set your skill plan in EVEMon the recommended Learning skills are efficient within this long queue. But it makes no sense to skill them up to 4 or worst: 5 at the beginning and whine that EVE is so boring and unfair to beginners. When I used EVEMon the first time I thought: "Damn, I don't need to train all these Learing skills?". Finally I just used them for my specific plans and it was fine. Case closed.
I don't care that CCP removes them now BUT I care that this is again the result of massive whining to something a lot of (noob) player don't understand and start to deal with this simple nice feature like it's the biggest pain ingame. No, it wasn't. It's still the lag and other annyoing things :-)
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Wandom Wapist
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Posted - 2010.11.25 15:53:00 -
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Vet checking in to call the Op a name. Vagina. Vet checking out. |
Sporked
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Posted - 2010.11.25 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Con Ton thanks So The bases will be those numbers and then what ever remapping that I have done will thake effect so I don't see why everyone is upset about this. you don't have to spend crazy money on books anymore poor toons rejoice.
My Corp just had a question.
What about implants?
They keeping those?
I for one would love to see them go but then of course then what would the intensive be not to get into dangerous things. If there is no fear of losing your 'plants you die and are reborn like any other game.
Implants will be staying, they are a veeeeeeeeeery neccessary evil on the longer skills, a +5 can knock several days off BS V for example. +3's are basically throwaways as it is anyways, so from my point of view you only have to fear a podding if you have pirate implants. That or you have over 100m sp and your clone costs you 30m a pop :3
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.11.25 17:53:00 -
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I will be enjoying my extra 5 million sp to redistribute elsewhere. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 1SEPT10
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.25 18:24:00 -
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It is only a sad day for vets cause it will be the last day we get to hear about the new guys complain about having to train learning skills. NOOB tears great tears!.
Anyway i guess i should switch skill training and get that caldari bs 5 going or amarr bs 5
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Judas Scammer
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Posted - 2010.11.25 19:53:00 -
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Its very sad?
You lose 72sp/h You gain 6 000 000 sp
How long it would take to get 6m sp if the training speed is 72sp/h?
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2010.11.25 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: iluvtogank new players needs to experience training learning skills. it is a rite of passage to eve.
sad day for veterans who agrees?
it did tend to weed out the undesireable instant gratification types.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.25 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ehranavaar it did tend to weed out the undesireable instant gratification types.
And now that task falls to us.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.25 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: iluvtogank new players needs to experience training learning skills. it is a rite of passage to eve.
sad day for veterans who agrees?
tbh I feel more sorry for the new players - missing out on the "true" way playing the game.
I'm honored to have been able to be a part of the history of what made this game so great. Learning skills removal is at new pilots' loss imo.
/c
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Dan Grobag
Caldari French Empire Squad United Warriors for Peace
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Posted - 2010.11.25 20:25:00 -
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As a vet I will be happy of not having to hear new players training for their learnings and leaving soon after they finished them.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.25 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dan Grobag As a vet I will be happy of not having to hear new players training for their learnings and leaving soon after they finished them.
Now they can go straight to leaving!
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Something Random
Gallente The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2010.11.25 20:40:00 -
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Im all for redispursable skill pointage. I for one agree with this service and bow before our overlords.
As usual.
Hmmmm.
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Baneken
Gallente School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2010.11.25 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Baneken on 25/11/2010 21:15:20
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Deja Thoris Rite of passage my arse.
I am not sure how to interpret that statement.
Have to admit that I lolled for your statement.
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