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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.25 20:58:00 -
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Tomorrow is what we call in the USA "Black Friday".
It's when people will go to stores very early, like 3AM, and fight with each other over deals for wide screen TVs and other related items.
There are people already camping outside of stores for this.
Yes, Black Friday in the USA - where people will brave the cold, violence, and revolve their lives around some consumer goods but nobody will stand up for their rights as the dollar is devalued to nothing, their civil liberties are eroded by fiat (no congressional votes), and banksters loot what's left.
So just to let you know, I am not part of this rank display of sheeplus americanus who will someday be talked about much in the manner we talk about Romans.
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Sinister Dextor
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Posted - 2010.11.25 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Sinister Dextor on 25/11/2010 21:00:38 Tomorrows Thursday. Oh Christ no it isn't.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Warsmiths
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Posted - 2010.11.25 21:18:00 -
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This is one thing I can agree on with Herzog. I hate black Friday and everything that it is about. Customers attack each other, property gets damaged, and retail employees are abused.
This is what the holidays have become.
I worked at a Wal-mart one year and there's always 2 stories I tell people. The first was the night before Black Friday and it being my first time I was unprepared for it. This is one of the few nights the store is actually closed as we prepare it for the day and the Freight crew was all about busting ass to get the hell out of there. In any case we got our **** done right at the last minute and everyone ran for clock to get the hell out of there. On the way out they opened the doors with us a mere 30' from them and the horde came right for us. My coworker actually got bodychecked by this bear of a woman knocking him to the ground as she went to the pallet of microwaves and just starting chucking them in her cart one after another. I couldn't believe what I saw, we just got our friend up and made a run for it making our rendezvous spot the bar we always went to every morning.
The other story is a little more uplifting. As much as the company sucked we actually did have a really cool store manager who tried his best to look out for his people. Anyways further into the season we hired a bunch of new cashiers and one girl in particular was there barely a week on the front lines trying hard to check people out. Apparently one customer was having a bad day and this girl wasn't going fast enough for her taste so she started yelling and screaming at the cashier and just sent the poor girl to tears in front of everybody. Our store manager walked right up behind the cashier and told the customer to just leave, wouldn't even let her finish checking out and he got a round of applause from everybody up front as the lady had to be escorted out of the building as she threatened and yelled and fought.
Black Fridays I just stay in my place and let the rest of the world go to hell for that day.
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Izzy Lizzy
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.11.25 22:01:00 -
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The idea of us falling on each other like a pack of dogs is overblown. Yes sh*t happens. Tempers flair and inevitably someone will get killed but the truth is that nearly all people participating have no problem at all. That won't be reported in the media because no one cares about the millions of peaceful transactions that go off without a hitch. The percentage of problems that surface is miniscule compared to the whole. Bad things happen in any situation where very large numbers of people participate, and as always, the media portrays it as if it was the norm.
Of course it's a great way for the media to show us how we are all at the mercy of big business and need guidance and protection like some child.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.11.25 22:07:00 -
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I want to see this on youtube . What would be ideal is a commentary by David Attenborough 'Here we are in the habitat of the American shopper in their natural environment the department store. And they are off! And already we see Miss Feinburgerwerger throwing a punch at Miss Kapowski'.
I really like US shops as everything is a lot cheaper. Circuit City is my geek heaven.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer their civil liberties are eroded by fiat
if you meant fiat the car brand, I must say that I feel sorry for you for those cars, while italian, are pretty much less reliable than a GM-brand one.
as an european and petrolhead, I do ask for forgiveness for I can't recommend even my worse enemies a fiat, and not even us having easier access to dodges will not be enough to pay for such sin. ---
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.11.26 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
So just to let you know, I am not part of this rank display of sheeplus americanus who will someday be talked about much in the manner we talk about Romans.
On the other hand you're responsible for pretty much every other part that makes people laugh at America.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Black Marsh X General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.26 03:27:00 -
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Wait, ****, this isn't about the massacre of protesters in Iran back in the 70's?
No wonder my commanding officer was looking at me like some sort of mental health patient when I mused out-loud earlier today on why you Americans gave a toss about what happens in Iran.
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Valeo Galaem
New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit Sentient World Observation and Response Directive
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Posted - 2010.11.26 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue I really like US shops as everything is a lot cheaper. Circuit City is my geek heaven.
Hate to break it to you but Circuit City went bankrupt last year. The name is now owned by SystemMAX (aka TigerDirect) and used to peddle their wares.
In my entire life I only braved Black Friday once - last year to pick up a PS3 Slim bundle. Other than the waiting in line for 3 hours part it wasn't that bad. Everyone was quite civil and we spent most of the time just chatting. I suppose that being in a smaller town at the time had some impact on that experience. |
Aiwha
Caldari Space Marine Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.26 04:55:00 -
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Supposedly, we're using a Queue system this year, everybody gets in line and gets tickets for items they want, go through getting them, checkout. First come, first served. BS is awarded with a boot out of the store.
I'm still afraid.
Gullible
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.26 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
So just to let you know, I am not part of this rank display of sheeplus americanus who will someday be talked about much in the manner we talk about Romans.
On the other hand you're responsible for pretty much every other part that makes people laugh at America.
I will let you kill our yuppies but if you don't stop there you will not be the one who is laughing.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.26 05:05:00 -
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Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 26/11/2010 05:05:16 I wait to see who died in the stampedes and laugh at them for being stupid
I don't leave the house on Black Friday
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: FOl2TY8
I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.
Yeah, I use that excuse too.
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Tuttomenui II
Gallente Independent Coalition
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Posted - 2010.11.26 06:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tuttomenui II on 26/11/2010 06:49:32 Anyone want to take odds on how many people get trampled to death in 3-5 hours?
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 26/11/2010 05:05:16 I wait to see who died in the stampedes and laugh at them for being stupid
I don't leave the house on Black Friday
LOL, Same here.
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DasDizzy
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2010.11.26 07:14:00 -
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What kind of savings are we talking about, 10-20% or more like 40-50%?
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2010.11.26 07:27:00 -
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Trust Americans to shoot each other in the face over sales.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.26 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Skank Trust Americans to shoot each other in the face over sales.
Most if these cases occur in cities that have more strict control on the possession and carrying of firearms. The sort of person who would kill over a sale is also the sort who would not live in a region or city where they are likely to get return fire.
Though everybody I know who carries firearms (being an instructor I know a lot of people who do) think Black Friday is dumb and would prefer to stay as far away from any stores as possible.
So ultimately what we are talking about are entirely different cultures. That one gangsta who gets talked into going to Walmart with Cousin Boo whose packin some stolen heat might do the sideways holding thing over a TV, but the guys with the AR-15s and enough skills to tie up a National Guard unit for a week would sooner pound their nuts flat with a hammer before going to some store at 4 AM and waiting in line during a precious day off from work.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.11.26 08:49:00 -
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Okay first off how do you think a nation gets out of debt... money = nothing = pay off debt...
Now that we got that out of the way...
Blackfriday is lol, it is the day the stores make money... with super low cost ****...
It is pretty much them saying, we **** you all year on prices... lol.
Pointless day is pointless... I'll be at home, may order some pb swiss tools I need @ 30% off online...
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.26 09:19:00 -
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One is left with the question, where did it all go wrong?
How have people become so dumb and ignorant to not think for themself and see what is going on?
Ever try to engage a "avarage Joe" with some intelligent discussion?
Makes me sad. One can only hope people see reason soon, but I doubt it is happening fast enough. I spite of we living in 2010 were we got the knowledge of the world at our fingertips from the internet, we are at the current height of human technology, we got teh best living standard ever, we got time to think about philosophy etc. Yet most people are just dumbed down by their TV shows and attitudes to do anything meaningful.
Sure what is meaningful is subjective, but I can hardly belive the newest "superstar" news is that meaningful to anyone with life of their own. Same goes for cosnumerism, its digustiong. No longer do we create to make something good that lasts, something that provides for our needs or someting out of romace. We build stuff to sell, to make profit, to shaft over the other guy just so we can make more money.
And we scare easily, we let us scare by "terror", and we allow govemrnet to chip away at all our rights. But you know what? Nobody has any right over you. Never had. They only say they do, and enforce it by might. And we let them.
To structure ourself in an ordred society is one thing (and it is needed to make the standard we have now avaliable), but saying what we can and can not do in detail is another. "You can not smoke this naturally growing planet because we say so" "you may not say what you think becuase it offends us" "you may not have your estblisment open at these hours becuase we say so" "you may not have sex until you reach an arbitraty age because we say so" etc. ******ed.
I stopped watching TV a few years ago, and I am better off. yet I still play games like EVE (although less then I used to).. so I guess I am not all good yet ;) after all games are just a time sink, adn MMOs in particular are made to siphon off our money, and we are being played as fools. Yet sometimes being the fool is the easy part I guess :/
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.26 13:33:00 -
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I can not say that I like the hyper consumerist state of the US, but it is what it is. I will not come to the internet and complain about said consumerism, all the while sitting behind a computer and typing on a game forum that I pay to play on, which is basically me falling into the same consumerist trapings. So meh. Unless you stop paying for an EVE account I can not take your ramblings too seriously.
Slade
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon I can not say that I like the hyper consumerist state of the US, but it is what it is. I will not come to the internet and complain about said consumerism, all the while sitting behind a computer and typing on a game forum that I pay to play on, which is basically me falling into the same consumerist trapings. So meh. Unless you stop paying for an EVE account I can not take your ramblings too seriously.
Slade
Then again, there is a balance.
We should not all go into natule and live of the trees and give up all material goods eiher. We need tools, shelter, food, communication devices, vehicles, communal centrs, some entertainment etc.
But its the way we get these things. And in regards to what is, we are using the economic system we have now, and operate withine it. I'd like to move away from it, but until then I must operate in it lest I become a total outcast and live my days alone in the wild.
And I am very well aware that playing EVE while at the same time having the principles and ideas I do is almsot an oxymoron. But tbh the reason I play EVE is not the game itself, tho that was what kindled the initial interest (EVE does not have the content and gameplay to hold my interest for 3 years by itself), but the guys I play it with. When thoose guys are gone, so am I. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Rylie Gayle
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Posted - 2010.11.26 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rylie Gayle on 26/11/2010 16:02:58 Edited by: Rylie Gayle on 26/11/2010 16:01:05
Originally by: DasDizzy What kind of savings are we talking about, 10-20% or more like 40-50%?
http://www.black-friday.net/
Go there for details on savings etc.
I'd go into it but honestly I'm tired as hell. Worked midnight shift thanksgiving which got me off work at 6am thanksgiving day stayed up all day started black friday shopping at 10 pm! yes its now starting at 10 pm at toys are us! wtf! then from there to walmart for their midnight deals, old navy mid night deals, then kohls @ 3am, target @ 4am, etc
honestly Im fairly sure im having a heart attack at this moment.
and now im debating whether or not to buy more online or wait until monday for "cyber monday"
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Black Fridays I just stay in my place and let the rest of the world go to hell for that day.
hell yes.
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DJ Obsidian
New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:39:00 -
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I sense an incoming lock.
But first i must say, all this hype about the dollar being devalued is not as bad as it sounds. If you look at the 5 year trend of the dollar vs the euro on a 5 year tend has only lost about .10 on average. Next comparing to the british pound, the dollar has gained value as instead of 1 USD = .50 GPB, it is now 1 USD = 0.60 GPB, However it has lost value against the Yen, the Aussie Dollar and the Chinese Yuan, However that is holding steady now.
So overall the dollar is a strong currency still, and you all believing the news are idiots. This research the news is producing is from private 3rd party groups who are doing something called market manipulation. There's the shocker.... NOT!
So op, you are an idiot, I suggest you look at the 5 year trends of currency and see that there is a pattern to it, oh and on days like black friday, the economy gets boosted a lot.
PS spiteful comment, At least we arent owned by Germany as almost every country in EU is now in debt to Germany.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: DJ Obsidian I sense an incoming lock.
But first i must say, all this hype about the dollar being devalued is not as bad as it sounds. If you look at the 5 year trend of the dollar vs the euro on a 5 year tend has only lost about .10 on average. Next comparing to the british pound, the dollar has gained value as instead of 1 USD = .50 GPB, it is now 1 USD = 0.60 GPB, However it has lost value against the Yen, the Aussie Dollar and the Chinese Yuan, However that is holding steady now.
So overall the dollar is a strong currency still, and you all believing the news are idiots. This research the news is producing is from private 3rd party groups who are doing something called market manipulation. There's the shocker.... NOT!
So op, you are an idiot, I suggest you look at the 5 year trends of currency and see that there is a pattern to it, oh and on days like black friday, the economy gets boosted a lot.
PS spiteful comment, At least we arent owned by Germany as almost every country in EU is now in debt to Germany.
I knew a Keynesian would check in sooner or later.
Comparing one fiat currency to the other is not showing any natural movement of the value. It's like saying one rock sliding down a hill next to the other rock that is also sliding is better off because it's velocity is slower.
Of course, as is typical of your kind, you leave out the price of precious metals and commodities. Whether it's ignorance or nationalism that drives you, chances are the term Nixon shock rattles between your ears with little consequence.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.26 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer but the guys with the AR-15s and enough skills to tie up a National Guard unit for a week would sooner pound their nuts flat with a hammer before going to some store at 4 AM and waiting in line during a precious day off from work.
Ah, once again, the sad delusion that:
1) One guy with an AR-15 can actually do anything to the military (you know, the people with artillery, predator drones, etc) unless the military decides to avoid using excessive force against someone who is clearly mentally ill and attempts to capture them unharmed for treatment. IOW, your fantasy only works if the government isn't as evil as you think it is.
2) Everyone who is good at killing people is also like you, and hates government/shopping/etc.
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Of course, as is typical of your kind, you leave out the price of precious metals and commodities. Whether it's ignorance or nationalism that drives you, chances are the term Nixon shock rattles between your ears with little consequence.
Let me guess, you're one of those people who thinks that the arbitrary value of currency is absolutely insane, but the arbitrary value of gold is a perfectly rational decision? -----------
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Warsmiths
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Posted - 2010.11.26 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Ah, once again, the sad delusion that:
1) One guy with an AR-15 can actually do anything to the military (you know, the people with artillery, predator drones, etc) unless the military decides to avoid using excessive force against someone who is clearly mentally ill and attempts to capture them unharmed for treatment. IOW, your fantasy only works if the government isn't as evil as you think it is.
2) Everyone who is good at killing people is also like you, and hates government/shopping/etc.
While his claim was greatly exaggerated I should note that:
1. The men who pilot Predator drones and fire artillery more than likely own a AR-15
2. You got that from somewhere but it doesn't appear to be from him unless you are really, really reading in between the lines.
And last I checked when it comes to civilians they don't do overkill with artillery and predator drones or what have you; they just cut the power and wait.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.26 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich 1. The men who pilot Predator drones and fire artillery more than likely own a AR-15
Sure, but it's their artillery/drones/etc that matter, not the AR-15 and some magical "skills".
Quote: 2. You got that from somewhere but it doesn't appear to be from him unless you are really, really reading in between the lines.
I got it from him:
the guys with the AR-15s and enough skills to tie up a National Guard unit for a week would sooner pound their nuts flat with a hammer before going to some store at 4 AM and waiting in line during a precious day off from work.
I think that's a pretty clear statement that (in his opinion) everyone with awesome killing skills shares his opinions about shopping.
Quote: And last I checked when it comes to civilians they don't do overkill with artillery and predator drones or what have you; they just cut the power and wait.
That's exactly my point: in the real world, the random nut with an AR-15 is suffering from serious mental illness, and should be captured alive and unharmed for treatment if at all possible. The military is perfectly happy to sit and wait for them to give up as long as they aren't actively shooting at anyone. They're only "tied up" in that they're merciful enough to try to help the poor nut, not simply remove the threat as efficiently as possible.
However, in his fantasy world with a government oppressive enough that violent resistance is justified, it doesn't matter how awesome your "skills" are. If all you have is a rifle, you will die uselessly. -----------
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Warsmiths
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Posted - 2010.11.26 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 26/11/2010 22:26:43
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich 1. The men who pilot Predator drones and fire artillery more than likely own a AR-15
Sure, but it's their artillery/drones/etc that matter, not the AR-15 and some magical "skills".
But what you are saying here and below contradict each other. You brought up the artillery and drones and yet at the same time you know these would never be used in usch a situation as one man hiding in his basement. I brought up my counter because many of these same men own a AR-15, and some share the same qualities such as a hate for shopping, and as crazy as it sounds, a dislike for the government (I know crazy right, working the one you hate).
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Quote: 2. You got that from somewhere but it doesn't appear to be from him unless you are really, really reading in between the lines.
I got it from him:
the guys with the AR-15s and enough skills to tie up a National Guard unit for a week would sooner pound their nuts flat with a hammer before going to some store at 4 AM and waiting in line during a precious day off from work.
I think that's a pretty clear statement that (in his opinion) everyone with awesome killing skills shares his opinions about shopping.
Yes I see the shopping part but I've read it twice now and I still see no mention about the anti-government part that was included. Would you be kind and underline it in that phrase for me please?
Originally by: Merin Ryskin That's exactly my point: in the real world, the random nut with an AR-15 is suffering from serious mental illness, and should be captured alive and unharmed for treatment if at all possible. The military is perfectly happy to sit and wait for them to give up as long as they aren't actively shooting at anyone. They're only "tied up" in that they're merciful enough to try to help the poor nut, not simply remove the threat as efficiently as possible.
However, in his fantasy world with a government oppressive enough that violent resistance is justified, it doesn't matter how awesome your "skills" are. If all you have is a rifle, you will die uselessly.
I don't much care for fantasy myself which is why I disagree with much that he says. Hell the man still hasn't told me where he gets his water from. But like I said at the start of the thread things like Black Friday I do agree on as to me it brings out the worst in people especially in the season that means the opposite.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.11.27 01:39:00 -
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OMG Products.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.27 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 27/11/2010 01:46:59
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer but the guys with the AR-15s and enough skills to tie up a National Guard unit for a week would sooner pound their nuts flat with a hammer before going to some store at 4 AM and waiting in line during a precious day off from work.
Ah, once again, the sad delusion that:
1) One guy with an AR-15 can actually do anything to the military (you know, the people with artillery, predator drones, etc) unless the military decides to avoid using excessive force against someone who is clearly mentally ill and attempts to capture them unharmed for treatment. IOW, your fantasy only works if the government isn't as evil as you think it is.
2) Everyone who is good at killing people is also like you, and hates government/shopping/etc.
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Of course, as is typical of your kind, you leave out the price of precious metals and commodities. Whether it's ignorance or nationalism that drives you, chances are the term Nixon shock rattles between your ears with little consequence.
Let me guess, you're one of those people who thinks that the arbitrary value of currency is absolutely insane, but the arbitrary value of gold is a perfectly rational decision?
Men in the sandbox don't even have AR-15s and are doing fine but keep clinging on your all powerful concept of the state like captain Ahab tangled up with the whale.
The men in the tanks rely on everybody else to keep those tanks fielded, lest they end up as knights battling the very farmers whose grain crops feed their war horses. There will not be any more grain.
Gold has worked for over 5000 years and it's only after the advent of paper money and how it works to finance wars have we seen the total war concept on world war levels. It's a metal that rarely occurs in planetary production, and nothing reigns in the kings, parliaments, and presidents better than money they can't create out of thin air.
Tell me, how many of those rampaging sheep in the shopping centers are using real money? Actual cash? What if they didn't have credit would they be in the Stampede of Stupid?
PS: I have trained over 1000 people with AR-15s and they are looking forward to the day someone tries to round them up. They are not anti-government, they just have a sense of history and know that people like yourself can vote. The cops and soldiers are not really into your world view so you might find a gun an a uniform being pushed at you and you being told "if that's what you want, you do it".
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