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Octoven
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:07:00 -
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As I stated on the general forums topic on this subject, it seems pretty inappropriate and immature on sreegs part to make a news article about this when it is hardly an automated action. I can sit there and let the sentries do the same damn thing and I will be flagged because I am at my computer or not??
Bot mining is one thing and using an automated program is as well, but your drones only kill so much and then you have to warp to the next room, you dont continue to constantly generate money. It is a fixed amount and once it has been completed you just sit there waiting for someone to gank you or you come back. |
Octoven
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:31:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Octoven wrote:As I stated on the general forums topic on this subject, it seems pretty inappropriate and immature on sreegs part to make a news article about this when it is hardly an automated action. I can sit there and let the sentries do the same damn thing and I will be flagged because I am at my computer or not??
Bot mining is one thing and using an automated program is as well, but your drones only kill so much and then you have to warp to the next room, you dont continue to constantly generate money. It is a fixed amount and once it has been completed you just sit there waiting for someone to gank you or you come back. He isn't talking about missions with rooms or people going AFK. He is directly speaking too a certain type of Cosmos Complex where players are warping their ship in with an AFK Tank dropping 5 Sentries then putting remote reps on them then leaving their computers downtime to downtime. At least with Mining you have to empty stuff or warp back to the station. Missions you have to pick up a new mission or change rooms. This is 100% 24 hour AFK.
Your point is valid; however, if they enforce that penalty on AFKing a complex then they must do the same with any other form of AFK actions which is just too much ******* monitoring IMHO they need to focus more on third party programs and fixing their own mechanics instead of saying, "we call party foul, we cant change ti yet but you arent allowed to use it till we do." |
Octoven
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:31:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:coolzero wrote: it does now at list in a limited way..... mack have 31000m3 ore hold.....this will still take some time to fill while you can go afk while ice mining.
CCP sanctioned AFKness with a CCP set maximum time limit. This is 24 hours, CCP doesn't want 24 hours nor in this way so they are saying you can't do it until they find a solution. This particular form of AFK play has been declared an exploit. If you have feeling on other CCP sanctioned AFK activities it has nothing to do with this declared exploit. Octoven wrote: Your point is valid; however, if they enforce that penalty on AFKing a complex then they must do the same with any other form of AFK actions which is just too much ******* monitoring IMHO they need to focus more on third party programs and fixing their own mechanics instead of saying, "we call party foul, we cant change ti yet but you arent allowed to use it till we do."
No they don't. All they need to moniter is a specific tactic that is used to keep the sentry drones undamaged in only a few of static complex's. Nothing else is needed for this particular exploit. As for calling foul but saying we can't fix it yet, that is the same for all exploits. The Wormhole neg tracking, POS Bowling, Ect.
True enough they DONT have to, but I mean if they are going to go out of the way to look for a specific afk action that fits a broad spectrum of pilots, it only stands to reason they would cover other forms of afk as well |
Octoven
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:50:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
And how many times have you been banned for this?
Obviously he hasnt been banned any since this new policy hasnt been implemented before today so why should he be banned? Yes, I see it the same way. I mean your account can sit there for 24 hours ratting belts and do nothing else. Just tank up and set the drones out on aggressive. Now your making bounty you can go out and have a dinner and a movie, do some shopping. I mean your making money on a mechanic that is never designed for passive income, should this be a bannable offense as well? |
Octoven
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:07:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Octoven wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
And how many times have you been banned for this?
Obviously he hasnt been banned any since this new policy hasnt been implemented before today so why should he be banned? Yes, I see it the same way. I mean your account can sit there for 24 hours ratting belts and do nothing else. Just tank up and set the drones out on aggressive. Now your making bounty you can go out and have a dinner and a movie, do some shopping. I mean your making money on a mechanic that is never designed for passive income, should this be a bannable offense as well? Anyone who was performing the activity I'm referring to in the news item has most likely already been banned for doing so. Another item about the belt ratting bit is that in the scenario you paint the amount of income gained is basically nothing. In the scenario we're specifically discussing in this thread you are making a lot more money. By a factor of a whole bunch.
Well you cant very well say that I mean you cant place a monetary value on AFKing. Especially after you blatantly stated,
"The activity itself falls within the same philosophical context we place botting within. I get it you don't like it. You can't change that however. With botting we concern ourselves with more than the technical limitations but rather what types of behavior and automation we find unacceptable."
Essentially the ideology of AFKing is to generate profit. Granted its small amounts; however, it still falls under the same philosophical idea. The moment you blurred the lines between botting and AFK actions is the moment that idea became more prevalent to apply to all forms of AFK income. |
Octoven
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:14:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: Nothing has changed about our philosophy as regards what we are or aren't looking for behavior-wise.
The philosophy hasn't changed, only the areas by which that philosophy governs has been changed. Botting and Exploiting are zero tolerance actions, as such by including one form of AFK income generation you have to include it all. Failure to do this results in questioning what types of botting are acceptable. CCP has banned botting and by doing so banned all forms of botting, thus if you banned AFKing for huge profits you have to do it all the way round.
Right now your cutting off the arm to save the patient but you arent stopping the bleeding. |
Octoven
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:34:00 -
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A Research Alt wrote:Yeah now that I think about it CCP should ban everyone involved in moon mining, too, since they never do anything past the initial set up and the occasional run every few days to collect money.
BAN MOON MINERS, IT'S ONLY FAIR.
This would certainly fall under the category of making tons of money in a 24 hour period now doesnt it? lol |
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