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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.11.26 09:37:00 -
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I think from now on I'll reply to those threads in the following way, as everything else has been said/posted/quoted to hell an back anyway:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA New Eden needs a Public Feature/Idea/Bug-Tracker |
Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.26 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nareg Maxence Having to train learning skills is nothing but forced labor. It's like you have to live two months in a **** concentration camp before you get to play the game.
This. Its one less hurdle for new players to have to face when starting. The way they are removing them is one of their best thought out ideas I've seen of late.
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.26 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn even though spending the first month training only learning skills sounds ******ed, the reality is some people did choose to do it, so perhaps the choice shouldn't have been removed...
I know, right? With the amount people complained, you'd almost think there was some kind of clear-cut objective benefit to spending your first month training learning skills.
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CommmanderInChief
Piracy With A Twist Of Nullsec
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Posted - 2010.11.26 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: CommmanderInChief on 26/11/2010 10:00:34 i sort of agree. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TRAIN LEARNING SKILLS. You are not forced to! Its only to make your training time quicker. Infact its the eve community that tell people to train learning skills when they start. Not the game.
And who says this is what puts ppl off. Thats total rubbish
The reason newbies get turned of is because of one actually gaving to train skills full stop, the crazy risk vs reward and the harshness of the game I remember when i first started, all i wanted was a raven. After months of grinding missions, i finally got my raven, only to get it insta poppedm when they only had fly at 15km. I was totally gutted. So there i was back to the start again! no isk, nothing. THIS IS THE PROBLEM! Getting killed in hisec ****ed people off. The cost of ships are crazy compared to how much is you can make when your a new player! then you have to train hundred skills to use one mod effectively. This is the problem for new players. Its a very very harsh game for new players simple as. thats what drives new players away. This is why Wake up and smell the coffee!!
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.26 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 26/11/2010 10:05:07
Originally by: CommmanderInChief YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TRAIN LEARNING SKILLS. You are not forced to! Its only to make your training time quicker. Infact its the eve community that tell people to train learning skills when they start. Not the game.
And who says this is what puts ppl off. Thats total rubbish.
Not if you read some people's experiences with friends they tried to bring to EVE.
And no learning skills = 8 million SP a year, with learning skills ~ 24 million SP, which means trice the number of skills, ships you can fly. How's that not mandatory?
If the harshness of the game scared people off, that's fine by me, it will not change and EVE doesn't change what that's concerned. If it was 2-3 months of senseless learning skills, then it was a total waste of potential players. Good we're rid of them, thank heavens! And also 3.8 million SP for me to redistribute, even without reimbursement I'd have been happy!
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Mistress Lea
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Posted - 2010.11.26 10:03:00 -
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Okay, everyone done whining? Yes? Good!
I believe this is the same crowd that chants: "listen more to the playerbase CCP!!" Now, how many times has the phrase: "remove learningskills!!!" been used in topics where it was not relevant? Now CCP listens and everyone starts to whine again :P hilarious!!!
Here are some options: 1. Accept the new stuff and stfu or 2. Quit and let the others who don't care keep playing.
This game is not about elitists, its about a game. If you want to be in a game with eletists, go somewhere else or stfu.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.26 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer I know, right? With the amount people complained, you'd almost think there was some kind of clear-cut long-term benefit to spending your first month training learning skills.
FYP -
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CommmanderInChief
Piracy With A Twist Of Nullsec
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Posted - 2010.11.26 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: CommmanderInChief YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TRAIN LEARNING SKILLS. You are not forced to! Its only to make your training time quicker. Infact its the eve community that tell people to train learning skills when they start. Not the game.
And who says this is what puts ppl off. Thats total rubbish.
Not if you read some people's experiences with friends they tried to bring to EVE.
And no learning skills = 8 million SP a year, with learning skills ~ 24 million SP, which means trice the number of skills, ships you can fly. How's that not mandatory?
Good we're rid of them, thank heavens! And also 3.8 million SP for me to redistribute, even without reimbursement I'd have been happy!
I dont diagree with you at all. Im just saying that you have a choice, train or dont train. But to be honest why have them in the first place? All it is is a mechnism to increase your game time really, thats what MMOs do.
However just giving new players more SP at the start, isnt going to make a difference. Its the whole training thing thats the problem. There is no point allowing new players easier ways to get a ship, because its so easy to lose it. Theere is so much to this game that, you need at least a year to realy understand all the game mechanics to survive. New players want to be safe and be able to learn the game. But when some vet comes over in hisec and and one shots them, cos they can. Well do you really thinnk that they want to stay?? or course not. Other MMOS allow you to only play with ppl on your level, eve allows more experienced players to happily attack new players. Along with everything else this causes people to leave the game. You will only get a niche set of players that play for along time.
Also veterans cant complain either, (im a vet) but i remember when we only had like 8k players online, you had more opportunities to grow, T2 bpos all that stuff. And again thats another problem Alliances of old are now so entrenched and make so much isk that they now control everything. New players cannot get to that level anymore, because large alliance will just remove them so easily. Even if we make more space the big alliances just take it. So your not even giving chances to new players to get into 0.0 on their own.
I still believe there should be separate eve instances. Maybe training grounds server,so you stay on their up to a certain skill points level, and then move onto tranquility? So that they can get to know the game in relative safeness perhaps?
Or do liek others mmo do, you can buy any skills ofc there are differing costs for each typr of skill, you still have to go down the same prereq skill tree, but you only skill up each level, on how much you actually use that ship or mod. So you actually do become a real expert. So if say you fly a cruiser for 3 months, with certain mods, you skill increases in flying that ship, with those mods. So insted of pretending your good at flying a ship, becuase you trained the skill the normal way, this way you actually are efficent in flying the ships, use the mods etc.
CCP have got to understand this
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.11.26 10:44:00 -
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*shrug* you can always train up your character, then recycle it and start again. CCP isn't taking choice away from us. people will ALWAYS have choice to be stu... inefficient. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Rovan Stargazer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.26 10:45:00 -
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Yup, system that we have now is perfect. Every newbie, that asks, which skills he should train first gets the same answer. Learning skills... for one month at least.
It's super appealing to train learning skills as a first thing you do in EvE.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.26 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rovan Stargazer Every newbie, that asks, which skills he should train first gets the same answer. Learning skills... for one month at least.
Perhaps the solution would have been for people to stop giving stupid advice, rather than removing the topic of the stupid advice. -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Peter Monty
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Posted - 2010.11.26 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Klatho Cron
Gone are the times in which planning, organisation and dedication to a long term plan gave those an advantage over the lazy and impatient ones. Where sacrificing the moment would give you the laugh later on.
Remapping is still about, and if you do some forward planning before remapping you will have the "advantage over the lazy and impatient ones".
So what was the point you were trying to make again?
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.11.26 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn *snip* Perhaps the solution would have been for people to stop giving stupid advice, rather than removing the topic of the stupid advice.
Yeah, right. Good luck with that one.
CCP didn't wanted them learning skills anyway, just didn't had figured out a way out of this mess. New Eden needs a Public Feature/Idea/Bug-Tracker |
Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 26/11/2010 11:03:38
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Rovan Stargazer Every newbie, that asks, which skills he should train first gets the same answer. Learning skills... for one month at least.
Perhaps the solution would have been for people to stop giving stupid advice, rather than removing the topic of the stupid advice.
Well ever wondered why people give that advice in the first place?
* Train learning skills first: stupid advice, you should play to have fun and not wait until your learning skills are done! Stupid Min-maxers who don't understand what EVE's about! * Not train learning skills first: AD/HD insta gratification immature kids that don't belong in EVE!
So whetever you did, it was never good. We're rid of that now, thank heavens.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling So whetever you did, it was never good.
Or, both were ok? By your reckoning, EVE was just altered to suit "AD/HD insta gratification immature kids". -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Jennifer Starling So whetever you did, it was never good.
Or, both were ok? By your reckoning, EVE was just altered to suit "AD/HD insta gratification immature kids".
Those weren't my opinion, just what people said about different ways to start the game. I just did what I thought was the best thing to do long-term. I don't have anything against impatient people, perhaps we'll get some more EVE players who aren't afk 90% of the time!!
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Black Dranzer I know, right? With the amount people complained, you'd almost think there was some kind of clear-cut long-term benefit to spending your first month training learning skills.
FYP
You call 20 days long term?
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Kierlana Vosk
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Black Dranzer I know, right? With the amount people complained, you'd almost think there was some kind of clear-cut long-term benefit to spending your first month training learning skills.
FYP
You call 20 days long term?
Recheck your definition of the phrase, please.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer You call 20 days long term?
A month (i.e. 28 days) of learning skill training will not pay off 20 days after you start (that would be -8 days). -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:42:00 -
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I dont really think this is worth all you guys crying over it, it makes the game better
Theres the door, take it if you want to
But dont let progress slap you in the back of the head while you leave
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Black Dranzer You call 20 days long term?
A month (i.e. 28 days) of learning skill training will not pay off 20 days after you start (that would be -8 days).
In an extremely irritating turn of events, you're right.
You have to sit on your ass doing nothing for a mere two weeks in order to benefit by the third.
Silly me.
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it440
Caldari OZ industries and Technology
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:47:00 -
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please just make everyone the same, no skills to learn and make all the ships the same, every body does everything the same. nothing for the cry babies to cry about and this way i can just quit now.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer You have to sit on your ass doing nothing for a mere two weeks in order to benefit by the third.
Or 'do nothing' for five minutes and benefit by the sixth. Your point? -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.26 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Or 'do nothing' for five minutes and benefit by the sixth. Your point?
What?
Learning skills have logarithmic return, not exponential return. What the hell are you talking about?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.26 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer Learning skills have logarithmic return, not exponential return. What the hell are you talking about?
I'm just trying to figure out how 2 weeks of learning skills paying off in 3 weeks means a month of learning skills pay off in negative time. -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.26 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Black Dranzer Learning skills have logarithmic return, not exponential return. What the hell are you talking about?
I'm just trying to figure out how 2 weeks of learning skills paying off in 3 weeks means a month of learning skills pay off in negative time.
They don't. That was my incredibly irritating mistake.
2 weeks of learning skills pays off before the third week.
I don't know how long 4 weeks of learning skills takes to pay off. If I were to estimate, I'd say it might take as long as 3 months. I guess you could call 3 months "long term" at a pinch. Actually, "pay off" is a bad term. I should say starts to pay off.
But hey, well done.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.26 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer I guess you could call 3 months "long term" at a pinch.
Normally I wouldn't, but from the perspective of a brand new player? Definitely. -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Troll Bridgington
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
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Posted - 2010.11.26 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr Must be a lot of pro-Obama types calling the shots at CCP for something idiotic like this to happen.
NO U
Go back to your tea party.
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Abelard Nightbringer
New Foundation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Abelard Nightbringer on 26/11/2010 12:34:17 As someone with well over 2m sp about to be reimbursed, i see this as a good change. i never minded the train, i enjoyed the game as i haphazardly trained my learning tree up, OVER TIME. But tbh, im a lucky one who didnt get told that the world would end if i didnt spend all my FREE TIME in trial training skills that didnt affect my current gameplay. Its a major turnoff to new players to be forced to train 2-3 weeks of skills just so they are "better in the long run." They pay for that wasted gametime, with an increasing dislike towards being "a new guy" in a time-based game. Its not a good business practice to even put an option into the game which they dont spend maximizing their GAMEPLAY potential before they have to choose whether to subscribe or not.
This will INCREASE the amount of people buying this game, and give us all more stuff to shoot at.
This will make EVERYONES skill training FASTER.
How are those 2 points even arguable?
On another note, the question of the day is what to spend my points on?!? man, idk. its gonna be sick tho.
/I was expecting just the first tier of learning skills to go away. one would have been okay to have to train, but 2 is overkill.
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Miriam Letisse
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Posted - 2010.11.26 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus Right on. I endorse and/or support this thread. CCP needs to wake up and realize that choices are good.
Yeah, because you're not Bart Starr's twin
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