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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Forum Guy As I said before in another post. We did ask for genuine good reasons for keeping them and none were put forward.
Complexity and choice. Not a lot of either, but since pretty much every argument for removing them is fallacious, it's all you really need.
Complexity with learning skills, can't say I see that. I think that's more of a perception than anything. And they certainly were not a real choice.
Anyway I don't see why a few people keep going on about it now. The decision has been made.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:26:00 -
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Isn't it funny how those arguing most for learning skills, saying "it is a CHOICE!" are the ones 99/100 with the maxed out learning skills? It's not a choice. It's like saying you have a 'choice' to run a race hopping on one leg while everyone uses both legs .. it's a f**king stupid choice.
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak I can't believe that I went thru this. I really should stop posting before my morning coffe.
Originally by: Bart Starr Must be a lot of pro-Obama types calling the shots at CCP for something idiotic like this to happen.
of all the stupid, incongruent asshatery and obnoxious pile of rotten manure and generally unpleasant piece of humongous crap I had the displeasure of read in these forums, this trumps it all. even the worse trolls that will ever post in these forums will have to work very hard to achieve your level of crappyness, and I must say that such unsavoury statement has pretty much made me drop the consideration I have for the entire USA population by quite a notch. You sir, are pretty much why many people hate americans, by having no qualms in mixing your domestic political wars in a game company that has the HQ miles away from your borders. I do sincerely hope that any american, pro or against Obama, will have the decency of telling you down ingame permanently, for you have pretty much made a fool out of your country.
I also must stand by my point that I totally disagree with the rest of your mildly amusing post, and that I must protest with a very profound headdesk.
TL;DR, what the ****, mixing politics with this game? your thread just lost any legitimacy it had.
A long, long time ago...your country used to matter.
-L
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Guy Complexity with learning skills, can't say I see that.
I doubt you can see much of anything with that helmet. -
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Forum Guy Complexity with learning skills, can't say I see that.
I doubt you can see much of anything with that helmet.
Very witty, you are almost up to a half-wit.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Guy Very witty, you are almost up to a half-wit.
In the land of the blind, the man with no visor is king. -
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Forum Guy Very witty, you are almost up to a half-wit.
In the land of the blind, the man with no visor is king.
wait who let Cyclops out without his visor? HE'LL BURN EEEEEEVERYONE! ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Adam Weishaup
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:56:00 -
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CSM was pushing this for years. On its face it's a bad thing to do, but the sentiment is so extremely anti-old school learning schools you probably shouldnt even bother posting about it.
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FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.26 19:00:00 -
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100% support CCP's decision to remove learning skills. It's a great move for the game! _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
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Postal Duk
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Posted - 2010.11.26 22:29:00 -
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Nope.avi
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 26/11/2010 22:52:51
Originally by: Lecherito
Originally by: Grimpak I can't believe that I went thru this. I really should stop posting before my morning coffe.
Originally by: Bart Starr Must be a lot of pro-Obama types calling the shots at CCP for something idiotic like this to happen.
of all the stupid, incongruent asshatery and obnoxious pile of rotten manure and generally unpleasant piece of humongous crap I had the displeasure of read in these forums, this trumps it all. even the worse trolls that will ever post in these forums will have to work very hard to achieve your level of crappyness, and I must say that such unsavoury statement has pretty much made me drop the consideration I have for the entire USA population by quite a notch. You sir, are pretty much why many people hate americans, by having no qualms in mixing your domestic political wars in a game company that has the HQ miles away from your borders. I do sincerely hope that any american, pro or against Obama, will have the decency of telling you down ingame permanently, for you have pretty much made a fool out of your country.
I also must stand by my point that I totally disagree with the rest of your mildly amusing post, and that I must protest with a very profound headdesk.
TL;DR, what the ****, mixing politics with this game? your thread just lost any legitimacy it had.
A long, long time ago...your country used to matter.
-L
well yes, Portugal mattered a looooooooooooooooooooooong time ago and nowadays is pretty much a shadow of itself, tyvm for pointing it out, mr. Captain Obvious sir. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Bart Starr
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Posted - 2010.11.26 23:14:00 -
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Happiness is: Knowing that being an American means you don't even have to acknowledge that Portugal exists.
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2010.11.26 23:19:00 -
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good riddance learning skills and thanks for my extra attribute points and skillpoint refund!
the departing of these basically non-optional skills is nothing but good
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.27 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 27/11/2010 00:00:44
Originally by: Bart Starr Happiness is: Knowing that being an American means you don't even have to acknowledge that Portugal exists.
and I, as the good Portuguese I am, couldn't care less. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Iron Mayden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.27 01:14:00 -
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I say: good riddance!
I dont think EvE will be dumbed down just because those skills are going away. The game is as complex as ever.
Specialized in Science, Industry and Trade
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Gistatis Tribunus
The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.11.27 01:55:00 -
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Hahahaha, I love that CCP are getting rid of learning skills. They get rid of an extremely annoying obstacle for new players, and I get a laugh from all the hilarious threads that spring up from said chaos! --------- "The." -Oceano da Cruz |
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2010.11.27 18:18:00 -
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Thread cleaned off off-topic and inappropriate posts.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact Us |
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2010.11.27 18:21:00 -
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then why are there still post in this thread
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.11.27 18:59:00 -
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This is awesome, actually it's so awesome that I will get a 4th account as soon as this change is going live. The only reason I have not done this sooner was the need to redo the bloody learning skills yet again.
I also like the idea that you can use a smaller clone now for the same efficiency of the char as you don't have to waste clone space in learning skills.
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IIIAsharakIII
Hostile Takeover. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.27 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: IIIAsharakIII on 27/11/2010 19:24:23 Its funny that no one seems to see the value in learning skills, maybe that effect of eve has been lost to others. To me the learning skills give new players an opportunity to discover the game while they are still deciding which route they wish to take. Will they focus on industry and marketting, or military skills? Do they want to mine, or run missions? Eve is a sandbox, and it should be played that way. All of you are still thinking about the endgame, but you can't seem to get it through your heads that there's no SP cap (thats right, no level X). I remember someone justifying removal of learning skills because a CCP developer stated he had played counterstrike throughout his entire learning skill training time. He should have been fired. Also, if learning skills are such a "no choice" arguement, then why do we have Engineering and Electronics skills? Or Weapon Upgrades? Advanced Weapon Upgrades? These are also "no choice" skills, should you get them by default? NO. Lastly, counting up your learning points and your +5 implants, LOL, WOW PLAYER SPOTTED!
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.11.27 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: IIIAsharakIII Edited by: IIIAsharakIII on 27/11/2010 19:24:23 Its funny that no one seems to see the value in learning skills, maybe that effect of eve has been lost to others. To me the learning skills give new players an opportunity to discover the game while they are still deciding which route they wish to take. Will they focus on industry and marketting, or military skills? Do they want to mine, or run missions? Eve is a sandbox, and it should be played that way. All of you are still thinking about the endgame, but you can't seem to get it through your heads that there's no SP cap (thats right, no level X). I remember someone justifying removal of learning skills because a CCP developer stated he had played counterstrike throughout his entire learning skill training time. He should have been fired. Also, if learning skills are such a "no choice" arguement, then why do we have Engineering and Electronics skills? Or Weapon Upgrades? Advanced Weapon Upgrades? These are also "no choice" skills, should you get them by default? NO. Lastly, counting up your learning points and your +5 implants, LOL, WOW PLAYER SPOTTED!
It actually isn't funny what is funny is you post all that and can't use the enter key.
--WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.-- |
Gallians
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Posted - 2010.11.27 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Gallians on 27/11/2010 19:31:23
Originally by: IIIAsharakIII nonsense
Have you considered maybe that people don't see the value in them because they were, well, devoid of value?
Your argument would have some weight if you could actually do those things while training the learnings. Unfortunately, in Eve, to do things, you need skills, to get skills, you need to train skills. And this training doesn't happen while you are training the learnings.
The only thing you could do if you were going for them, is station spin, or play something else.
Thus everyone (except a microscopic minority, such as yourself) hated them.
Thus they are gone.
And nothing of value was lost.
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Originally by: Bhattran
It actually isn't funny what is funny is you post all that and can't use the enter key.
Using the enter key would make the message board easy, and the Eve boards should be hard.
gb2wow
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.27 19:33:00 -
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Quote: What the hell? This is ****ing bull****. Why are we dumbing down the game even further for whiners.
Because as we can see whiners don't need any help.
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IIIAsharakIII
Hostile Takeover. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.27 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gallians
Originally by: IIIAsharakIII nonsense
Have you considered maybe that people don't see the value in them because they were, well, devoid of value?
Your argument would have some weight if you could actually do those things while training the learnings. Unfortunately, in Eve, to do things, you need skills, to get skills, you need to train skills. And this training doesn't happen while you are training the learnings.
The only thing you could do if you were going for them, is station spin, or play something else.
Thus everyone (except a microscopic minority, such as yourself) hated them.
Thus they are gone.
And nothing of value was lost.
WRONG! Eve is a game you can play from day 1. You seem to think I spent my first month statin spinning, when in fact i did not. Besides, are you the kind of person who waits 64 days to fly a heavy assault cruiser, only to log off for another 64 days when you find out it wasn't as awesome as you thought? Lastly, for the other poster, paragraphs are a standard format for writing, if they are hard for you, perhaps a childrens book might suit you as opposed to an adult forum.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.27 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: IIIAsharakIII
Originally by: Gallians
Originally by: IIIAsharakIII nonsense
Have you considered maybe that people don't see the value in them because they were, well, devoid of value?
Your argument would have some weight if you could actually do those things while training the learnings. Unfortunately, in Eve, to do things, you need skills, to get skills, you need to train skills. And this training doesn't happen while you are training the learnings.
The only thing you could do if you were going for them, is station spin, or play something else.
Thus everyone (except a microscopic minority, such as yourself) hated them.
Thus they are gone.
And nothing of value was lost.
WRONG! Eve is a game you can play from day 1. You seem to think I spent my first month statin spinning, when in fact i did not. Besides, are you the kind of person who waits 64 days to fly a heavy assault cruiser, only to log off for another 64 days when you find out it wasn't as awesome as you thought? Lastly, for the other poster, paragraphs are a standard format for writing, if they are hard for you, perhaps a childrens book might suit you as opposed to an adult forum.
A standard paragraph is 4 sentences...you made 13.
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Gallians
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Posted - 2010.11.27 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: IIIAsharakIII
Originally by: Gallians
Originally by: IIIAsharakIII nonsense
Have you considered maybe that people don't see the value in them because they were, well, devoid of value?
Your argument would have some weight if you could actually do those things while training the learnings. Unfortunately, in Eve, to do things, you need skills, to get skills, you need to train skills. And this training doesn't happen while you are training the learnings.
The only thing you could do if you were going for them, is station spin, or play something else.
Thus everyone (except a microscopic minority, such as yourself) hated them.
Thus they are gone.
And nothing of value was lost.
WRONG! Eve is a game you can play from day 1. You seem to think I spent my first month statin spinning, when in fact i did not. Besides, are you the kind of person who waits 64 days to fly a heavy assault cruiser, only to log off for another 64 days when you find out it wasn't as awesome as you thought? Lastly, for the other poster, paragraphs are a standard format for writing, if they are hard for you, perhaps a childrens book might suit you as opposed to an adult forum.
It has been established that you are part of a microminority that thought the learnings were of value. That you are in another microminority that can play the game with no skills whatsoever does not seem like such a jump from that.
Unfortunately the game should work for the playerbase, current and future, as a whole. Statistical aberrations such as yourself can't be the basis for the games design.
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KurnKuku
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Posted - 2010.11.27 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I also like the idea that you can use a smaller clone now for the same efficiency of the char as you don't have to waste clone space in learning skills.
Very good point.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.27 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: IIIAsharakIII To me the learning skills give new players an opportunity to discover the game while they are still deciding which route they wish to take.
Well by that argument we may as well implement a 10-day no-skilltrain period for new players where they can look around and see what they want to do? The effect is the same, no learning skills needed for that.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.11.27 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 27/11/2010 20:23:44 IMO, having to choose between a fun option and a boring, but mechanically superior option is bad gameplay. It may not always be possible, but ideally, all options should be fun--albeit maybe different kinds of fun, or fun for different kinds of people.
This change is removing the unnecessary choice (learn skills that "do stuff" or learn skills that let you learn how to "do stuff" faster later on) and leaving only the fun option--choosing the order in which to train all the skills that "do stuff".
-----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW-----
Originally by: CCP Ginger Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
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Alex Dua
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Posted - 2010.11.27 21:47:00 -
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To whom it may concern: This is my opinion on the Learning Skill SP rebate, and urgent request to CCP to do a slight change in the rebate formulas that will kick in on Dec. 14th. First of all I agree that this should be done since learning skills are viewed, by some, as one of the major parts of the steep learning curve thrown at new players. However CCP needs to seriously reconsider the rebate amount. I believe that anyone that has put in time for the learning skills was thinking long term, in terms of years, payback. I believe that the base rebate should be a multiplier of the current points. Perhaps 1.2X currents SP? Assuming one has all LVL5 for learning, it actually takes longer to learn them in the old system then it would with the proposed fixed attributes. So assuming it takes 3 months to learn the skills using the old system, I guess it would take 2 months with the fixed attributes proposed. So we should receive the equivalent SP that we would receive for the 3 months of training time using the new system. I hope I am making this clear. I am not sure what the ôfairö multiplier amount should be, my guess is 1.2. On top of that we should receive a certain percentage bonus based on the total amount of current learning skill points. This is to offset the loss of the long term advantage over the people that would not or did not decide to train up the learning skills. So for example if someone had 1 million learning SP, they would get the 1.2 X 1mil + 1% of 1mil. So that would be 1,200,000+ 20,000 for a total rebate of 1,220,000 in refunded SP. If someone had 2 million that percentage should be 2%, and so on, up until 5mil and 5%. I would actually recommend having the percentage amounts higher, perhaps starting at 2% and jumping 2% for each 1mil. So at 5mil the percentage would be 10%. This whole idea behind the percentage bonus should be based on the fact that those that chose to learn these skills were doing so to have an advantage over those that didnÆt, on a ôlong termö basis. By leveling the attribute playing field that advantage disappears, and I feel isnÆt fair. The compensation percentage should perhaps be based on a 5 year outlook ? Perhaps 10? Ok, I am being lazy here and not making charts and doing the hard number crunching to justify myself. But I think I do have some logic in the above requests. Anyone else agree? Think I am an idiot? But whatever you think I would hope someone at CCP will see some of my logic here. Thanks.
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