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Shadow Nebulae
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Posted - 2010.11.27 11:22:00 -
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I'm so sick of these sanctums that I am willing to get sick of missions once again. But this time I want to do it bit different than before. I want to get the full use of my three accounts. And I want to buy them from character bazaar or I start new characters. So my current pilots doesn't matter on this occasion.
The target is 100+ M ISK/h in bounties. So over 33 M ISK on each update.
Is that even possible in lvl4 missions since your missions will change and there can be really crappy ones and sometimes you get tons of crappy missions in a row.
Second thing is that I don't want to spend billions on those ships since we all know that you get suicide ganked eventually. In 0.0 you can use easily pimped marauders and faction ships since it's safer than empire or lowsec. Atleast our carebear heaven is.
So basically, three characters, three ships, and as much as possible ISK/h as bounties.
Incursions are coming, and I will prepare on them by grinding many LVL4 agents available, so I can switch the system when ever necessary.
If this sounds crazy, just say it. If this might be possible, show your ideas.
Triple boxing and micromanaging can be real pain, but it's manageable.
So what I should look into? Triple CNR's? Triple drakes? Triple domis? Problem with domi is the disco effect...so when your connection farts you lose drones, always... Triple permatanked tengus running separate missions?
Or, should I try to clean up the mission rooms as good as possible with Noctis that is coming and use two ships on damage dealing? I have alt with Salvaging V and T2 salvage rig capable.
Tips and ideas welcomed.
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GGjita
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Posted - 2010.11.27 11:47:00 -
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I would just get 3 blitzing ships and just blitz 3 different missions at one time. Using any 3 out of CNR, Mach, or Nightmare and you should have no trouble. I don't mention mauraders because you really won't be able to loot/salvage if you are running accounts at once so they really arn't gonna help you much.
If you want a wide variety of L4 agents in different systems it might be beneficial to get one of each of the ships and just use them in the systems with the rats that they are good at killing.
Greengimp
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Lady Arroway
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Posted - 2010.11.27 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Arroway on 27/11/2010 14:06:22 if you plan to blitz missions the best way is to do this: 1) sleipnir not much pimped ~ can tank any mission and has +-700dps, 2) Tengu with shield ressist link (this gives awesome boost to ganks tank while not reducing tengus dps a lot) 3) 2nd dps tengu
you can go machariel instead of 2nd tengu or 2nd sleipnir but large ACs is a great thing to have
tripple drake sucks... so does tripple domi although sentries will **** BS, the ships are too slow to move through missions even with AB.
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Shadow Nebulae
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Posted - 2010.11.27 16:55:00 -
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Well the triple drakes that I had mind was just a thought that I could eventually train them into Nighthawks and keep passive tanks. Passive tank means less hassle. And together three medium skilled drakes are doing 900 dps and with t1 missiles the waste doesn't matter. While I would continue towards NH, the DPS would increase. Am I wrong..??
Sleipnir sure looks like nice, atleast in eft.
Yeah no marauders, they are slow and too expensive. I could afford, but the investment brings a danger of being ganked.
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Moroccan Tourist
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Posted - 2010.11.27 18:37:00 -
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1 pimped faction BS and 2 afk dominix
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Kassa Daito
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.27 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kassa Daito on 27/11/2010 19:14:02 Edited by: Kassa Daito on 27/11/2010 19:08:25 For 3 characters, I'd use a Tach Abaddon or Paladin if you want to spend the ISK and SPs on Marauder and 2x RR/Cap Chain Domis to run Amarr missions. You're not going to get 100m/hr in bounties but you can probably get close between bounties and LPs (without a lot of work managing tags). If you feel like actively managing 3 turret ships then you can obviously do better but that's not my idea of a good time.
I'd fit them something like: [Abaddon, L4 3x Ship Amarr]
Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Sensor Booster II
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Ancillary Current Router I
Hobgoblin II x5
and [Dominix, L4 3x Ship Domi]
Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Large Remote Armor Repair System II Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I Large Egress Port Maximizer I Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Curator II x5 Garde II x5
1.5k DPS applied instantly at ranges up to around 50km. Swap some scripts around and you can track well enough to kill anything cruiser and up in a volley or maybe two. ** Disclaimer: Author sometimes spell checks but is not responsible for sins of commission, omission, emission, transmission, or submission. Flowers, bricks, or any other form of feedback appreciated |
Enduros
Desard's Nation Cha0s Theory
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Posted - 2010.11.27 19:25:00 -
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At the most, you might get like 20mil/tick... every now and then... usually it's more like 10, if you are lucky. Over half the isk comes from mission rewards and LP. Expect your isk/h to drop quite a bit when running missions compared to sanctums. - This one time, at gate camp, I shot a shuttle... |
Moneyhungryhoe
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Posted - 2010.11.27 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Nebulae
The target is 100+ M ISK/h in bounties. So over 33 M ISK on each update.
Is that even possible in lvl4 missions
No it isn't. 100m/h together with LP conversion easy, 100m/h bounties only in sanctums (get your arse back there)
Second thing is that I don't want to spend billions on those ships since we all know that you get suicide ganked eventually. No you won't unless you fit your ship with officer mods In 0.0 you can use easily pimped marauders and faction ships since it's safer than empire or lowsec. Atleast our carebear heaven is. Stay the fk away from Motsu, Dodixie or Irjunen, every other mission hub is safer than your 0.0 haven
So basically, three characters, three ships, and as much as possible ISK/h as bounties.
If this sounds crazy, just say it. If this might be possible, show your ideas. Crazy as in not the best thing for isk/effort. Not crazy as in manageable quite easily.
CNR/Mach/NM/Tengu, crystal alpha - epsilon high grade plus Pith B X-large (only 200m and no, no one is ever going to gank you for that). General idea is tank cheapish - implants expensive.
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.11.27 22:09:00 -
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You will not hit 100 mil/h in bounties on lev 4 missions - at least on average. You can hit 100 mil/h income though if you take into account LP as well.
Nighthawks are nice, but their RoF is way too fast for it to be possible to maintain good reflectivity tripleaccounting. With that high Rof even dualaccounting would be pushing the limits I think.
For tripleaccount go with something that is reasonably easy to manage. 2x Dominix 1x Nighthawk for example should work nice. You can put drones on 'Assist' or on 'guard' - first setting makes them attack the target your lead ship is attacking second one makes them attack anyone that is attacking the pilot they are guarding. Plus if you happen to use Sentry drones they dont spend better part of their time traveling around. They dont need to be passive, you can drop remote reps on each other with them.
If you insist using missiles tripleaccounting then probably Golem would be reasonable. It has sort of long enough Rof that if you spend 2 seconds per account you can still manage sort of reasonable reflectivity. And They can pop many things in one volley even with cruise missiles. Torpedoes would be prolly too much hassle tripleaccounting.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.11.27 22:51:00 -
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the only way I can see 100m/h in bounties is if you manage to pull 4, or maybe 5, The Blockade in one system. which is well, unlikely.
if we break it down a bit, the best missions from the best (in highsec at least) agents give about 20m bounty, 8800 lp, and 3m reward. I've seen anything from 800 isk/lp to 5000isk/lp. lp conversion is a huge swing. so I'm pretty sure someone has said but don't ignore lp.
I see ticks of 10m or so pretty regularly, but usually it is less. the highest bounty tick I remember seeing recently was 16m, if I was dual boxing I would think it would have been 2 ticks of 10m or so.
and if you use sentry drones you should be able to make it back to them before they go poof.
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sirsearcher
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Posted - 2010.11.28 01:15:00 -
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Interesting, thanks for the info
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.11.28 01:29:00 -
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I was able to get 25-27m ticks on wallet when i farmed recons and blockades with nightmare. I farmed with 1 ship, missions were taken by 4 /or 5/ chars. Recon - 6 mins incl warps - 10m bounties, blockade 15mins - up to 19m bounties.
So if you stack good missions it should be possible, on average... unlikely.
Also, if you want to use 3 chars at once for missioning, stay away from anything that shoots missiles - tachy nightmare/pally or arty/ac macha/vargur are best choices imo, maybe supported by sentry/rail domi. Separate mission will bring more isk, but are harder to manage - i seriously cant see myself doing 3 missions at once in ships that require full attention to be efficient.
Think about 2 "semi afk" droneboats that dont need much attention /only some with new spawns or aactivating gates/ and 1 gankboat /nm, macha/ all in separate missions.
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Motamiter
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Posted - 2010.11.28 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Motamiter on 28/11/2010 03:17:33 your best option is probably Pimped passive shield tank Rattler + 2 machs/Vargurs
Rattlesnake full tank can OMNIT TANK (important! no need to switch hardners) handle any level 4 full room aggro...blockade, assault, Angel bonus room...you name it. All you need is T2 rigs and 2 caldari navy invuls and the rest are T2 fit which doesn't make it a worthwhile gank target. This is speaking from personal and extensively used experience.
Mach/Vagaur can then be damage/falloff/tracking pimped to the max. I personally prefer Vagur due to it's better tracking and increased ability to carry a variety of ammo, as well as salv/loot on the go. With tracking computers+scripts, you can get 800mms up to 1.1+ in tracking. Buffer tank with 2 Invul IIs omni shield tank is enough as the gank + rattler drawing aggro means no problem with tank in ANY mission.
Slap an afterburner on all 3 ships, and you are good to go. Drop in rattler, aggro whole pocket/triggers with rockes (fastest cycle time), launch sentries then just sit there. Now wrap in the vargurs and start wtfpwn everything.
Aside from ammo replenish for Vargurs, you'll never need to do anything other than accept/complete missions with your 3 chars. you'll rarely even use your drones at all since the 1.1+ tracking on Vargurs can handle any sized ships.maybe except those pesky spider drones.
Best I've had was 8m bounty ticks on EACH of the 3 chars. that was from 1 guristas extravg, 1 cargo delivery and 1 smuggler interception, with all 3 chars each accepted 1 mission. Mission isk and lp rewards taken into consideration, I've prob earned ~40m-45m in about 30 mins.
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Boinz
Caldari Muffin Munchers
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Posted - 2010.11.28 04:24:00 -
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2 Tengus and a Golem with 3 target painters and 4 bcu 1 tengu with hams 1 with hml
Originally by: CCP Oveur
Guess what I'm wearing.
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Thirzarr
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Posted - 2010.11.28 12:26:00 -
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2x AFK Domi and 1 Salvage+Loot Proteus or somesuch?
fly in domis, aggo, launch drones, warp in proteus and loot and salvage while the domi's do their thing?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.11.28 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Thirzarr 2x AFK Domi and 1 Salvage+Loot Proteus or somesuch?
fly in domis, aggo, launch drones, warp in proteus and loot and salvage while the domi's do their thing?
considering that would be about as efficient as running a solo marauder.....
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Moneyhungryhoe
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Posted - 2010.11.28 20:54:00 -
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Another decent setup: 2 gankboats and 1 Jita scammer
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Shadow Nebulae
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Posted - 2010.11.28 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Shadow Nebulae on 28/11/2010 22:14:18
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Thirzarr 2x AFK Domi and 1 Salvage+Loot Proteus or somesuch?
fly in domis, aggo, launch drones, warp in proteus and loot and salvage while the domi's do their thing?
considering that would be about as efficient as running a solo marauder.....
Yup, that's the problem. I want to take the full use of three accounts, but I do not want to end up into pricey killmail and lose everything invested on those ships.
I tried Vargur after projectile change and it was pretty beast with 800mm AC's. I keep hearing that mach is even better. How about double machs and Noctis cleaning the room? But can you have cheap fit in mach? Atleast in Vargur you can have good enough cheapish fit IIRC.
Trading the LP isn't problem for me, I will do that anyway, but really rarely. In past I collected like millions of LP before cashing them out.
Oh and have to remember that with three characters you have much more options to get best possible mission and skip the bad ones. Keep some standings stacked in case bad missions so you can skip them.
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Missy Sasha
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Posted - 2010.11.29 05:59:00 -
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Most of a mach is the t2 autocannons + faction dmg mods. The tanks are just kinda placeholders for level 4s, esp if you have more than one source of damage.
My nightmare uses a t2 tank and its mostly just for show.
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Shadow Nebulae
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Posted - 2010.11.29 14:52:00 -
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I have made my decision, it's triple Apocs and I'll upgrade into Navy Apocs since they look so cool!
You can fit good enough permarun tank with one LAR and still have couple of Heat Sinks to give you that DPS. With three Apocs with Megapulses I'm sure that I will be having some fun. Oh and no ammo switching or reloading with Scorch
Thanks for all the answers!
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.11.29 16:33:00 -
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Spider tanked domi fleet and chain sanctums = lots of monies, more interesting + actual MM a MMORPG --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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