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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.01 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre
Originally by: Ademaro Imre It was SOP to shoot such vans.
Oh, there are procedures for gunning down unarmed people ? That's allright then.
This whole shoot first ask questions later attitude is revolting.
Ah, so you are still taking the word of PROVEN DECEPTIVE internet trolls on faith I see..... But they are bashing the U.S., so its all ok.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue There was a saying made of the British in WW1 : 'Lions led by donkeys'. I think this is apt for the USA is a lot of respects. There is so much dynamism, culture, innovation in the USA but the political system is fubar. Aliens need not bother infiltrating the political system to create gridlock as Republicans, special interests and Democrats are doing a fine job of that anyway.
That is not true. Every form of democratic government looks this way. This is actually sign that the government is democratic because the rights of the minority are not trampled.
Compare Iranian democracy to US democracy. US has gridlock when the country is in crisis. Iran has army and undercover police literally beating the life out of protesting minority when the country is in crisis.
I will take US democracy. You may continue spewing anti US propaganda.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue Edited by: Vogue on 30/11/2010 15:08:00 The better politicians can work on several levels at once. Give easily digestible messages to voters but also pursue complex foreign issues with good poise. I rate the Clintons well in this area. But the Bush administrations not.
To a Brit is weird that a US president has more leverage on foreign policy than domestic policy
The UK is a parliamentary democracy and the PM is the head of government - as such they are designed to be primarily concerned with internal affairs. Your Queen is the head of state and they are designed to be the head of foreign relations. At least in theory.
In a Republic, the President is the head of state - as such are designed to be primarily concerned with foreign relations.
These are the not-too-subtle differences between republics and parliamentary democracy's. France is set up similarly to the USA.
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Bodrul
Caldari Future Dynamics
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Unlike morons who take statements by internet trolls on faith, I watched the 17 minute video, the 39 minute video, AND followed up by digging for the context that I KNEW wikileaks made an ACTIVE effort to NOT include, even though they were WELL aware of it.
Just google search "wikileaks deception". There are a number of results, the one in question will reference "Collateral Murder" here is a link:
Wikileaks deception exposed
When you read or see something such as the wikileaks trash trying despirately to prove that the U.S. is the big bad source of all evil, its a pretty safe bet you need to do some digging. Not that I expect the unread lazy lefties to ever bother. To damn easy to just rot in their narcissistic cocoon, and mentally masterrate all over the internet.
Lefties? is that a US term used by the far right for people that dont agree with them oh well, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9136984.stm Mr McCord (US soldiers account)
The pilots in question murderd civilians, the idiot saying terrorists attack and they are responsible, Iraq wasnt responsible for 9/11 (the people the US funded and helped were) whats the saying you reap what you sew? ALquida didnt even have a foothold or any influance in Iraq untill the US along with the twit blair went in Guns blazing.
then again Iraq was an ally of the US when it came to getting its own back at Iran due to their failed regieme change (operation ajax) and failed rescue effort, by the way thank you for getting a theocratic regieme in power in Iran, if it wasnt for the CIA/MI6 over throwing a democraticaly ellected goverment in fear of it alligning its self with the USSR we wouldnt of had the hostage situation and the coming power of the nut case mullahs. great show of US forign policy.
of course when a country serves their use they are friends and allies
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.01 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 01/12/2010 17:04:38 My views about issues for the USA are left of centre. In the UK I am right of centre. But my views are not as leftist as some New York Times or Washington Post journalists.
The best news program in USA imo is GPS by Fareed Zakaria: www.cnn.com/gps. It has a centrist theme with good guest journalists.
I critique all sorts. My own country and the USA but I don't preach a fear agenda which is what Foxnews and their ilk do. With news banners like 'culture war' - 'Islam v Christians'.
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Nyu Shin
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Posted - 2010.12.01 17:17:00 -
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"turn a feature into a bug"
essay on one of the key ideas behind WikiLeaks
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.01 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre
The Iraqis had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, endless Fox propaganda to the contrary. Unless you mean muslims as a group, which would make me sadfaced.
Please reference one instance of Fox News doing this.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.12.01 17:57:00 -
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Quote: Lefties? is that a US term used by the far right for people that dont agree with them
I'm Canadian and it is usually used to describe people who subscribe to political opinions on the left of the political spectrum.
Quote: Iraq wasnt responsible for 9/11
No they were not responsible for 9/11. So what?
Quote: (the people the US funded and helped were)
I'am assuming that you are referring to the Taliban/Al Queda here. If so, you are incorrect. The Mujahadeen /=/ Al Queda. Were current members of the Taliban and Al Queda once in the Mujahadeen? Sure. But they are not the same organizations by a long shot. The Mujahadeen enjoyed much broader support in Afghanistan than do either of the other terrorist organizations. Do some research and learn the differences.
Quote: whats the saying you reap what you sew? ALquida didnt even have a foothold or any influance in Iraq untill the US along with the twit blair went in Guns blazing.
Al Queda is still a very minor player in Iraq and the war there seems won. Are you happy with the result and merely grieved at the process or do you secretly wish that the USA lost the war? You answer that and you have your answer to a lot of things.
Quote: then again Iraq was an ally of the US
Yes, of course they were. So was the UK and Canada for that matter. There was a thing going on called the cold war and the two sides vied for influence the world over to contain the other. So what?
Quote: of course when a country serves their use they are friends and allies
Yes of course. You think we should be friends with people/nations that do wish us harm? How silly.
All nations foreign policy is based on their own national interests. How could it not? Do you suggest that the USA or any other country pursue a foreign policy that wasn't in their own best interest? What a silly thought. lol
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.01 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bodrul
Lefties? is that a US term used by the far right for people that dont agree with them oh well, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9136984.stm Mr McCord (US soldiers account)
The pilots in question murderd civilians, the idiot saying terrorists attack and they are responsible, Iraq wasnt responsible for 9/11 (the people the US funded and helped were) whats the saying you reap what you sew? ALquida didnt even have a foothold or any influance in Iraq untill the US along with the twit blair went in Guns blazing.
then again Iraq was an ally of the US when it came to getting its own back at Iran due to their failed regieme change (operation ajax) and failed rescue effort, by the way thank you for getting a theocratic regieme in power in Iran, if it wasnt for the CIA/MI6 over throwing a democraticaly ellected goverment in fear of it alligning its self with the USSR we wouldnt of had the hostage situation and the coming power of the nut case mullahs. great show of US forign policy.
of course when a country serves their use they are friends and allies
Did you even read that "account" you referenced? It contains absolutely no information about the helicopter attack, only assumptions by the reporter and how wounded were evacuated.
Someday, you might pass by a history book and you might enlighten yourself on the war that occurred between Iran and Iraq.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.01 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 01/12/2010 18:27:21
Originally by: Bodrul
Stuff
While I can't claim to be a trigger puller, I did spend some time in the sand box, and I am a double wartime veteran.
One of the things I am most proud of, is that I PERSONALLY and KNOWINGLY, and WITH MALICE performed work that helped lead to the violent death of terrorist scum. I'm not unique, a lot of folks can say the same (pretty much everyone that deployed contributed to one extent or another...). Even so, very proud of my involvement.
Just wanted you to know that.
Draw whatever assumptions your U.S. bashing troll gods tell you to draw. It seems it is the only thing you are capable of doing. Or perhaps, if a few brain cells start working, stop taking bastards like wikileaks on faith. They have an aggenda that they do NOT make public, but its not hard to find if you look with mind OPENED. I already provided one link, and even gave hints on how to do your own searches.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.12.01 19:15:00 -
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@ So Sensational: I've given you your answer - you're either a troll or an idiot - take your pick.
But ... for myself ... since you're educated enough to know that Iraq was at one time under British control ... I'm going with Troll.
@ Louis deGuerre:
1) I made the point - if you don't get it - read it again or give up.
2) The US Government didn't fire up the American public - having two land mark buildings destroyed, another damaged and OBTW the deaths of more people than we lost a Peal Harbor fired up the American People. We did the right thing going into Afghanistan & Iraq and the UK has shown itself to be a friend to us in our time of need by supporting us there - unlike some of it and our citizens.
It was NOT Bull **** - it was the right thing to do - and - you're just proving your idiot status by saying it was. There is a time and place to kill people - and that time and place is when they are killing your people or your friends. If you can't see that you need to get your head out of your ass - cause that's where it is right now. Of course - there are a lot of people in this world with their heads up there asses - but then - there always are.
We did the right thing by going into Vietnam. We did the right thing by going into Korea. We would have done the right thing by going into China and Russia to save the world and their populations from the deadly, 19th Century Utopian silliness that enslaved them. We would have done the right thing by supporting Britain and France in 1939 - but to our shame it took the impetus of Pearl Harbor to get us to do what we should have done already.
3) Yes there are a lot of wealthy Muslims in this world and some of them, after indulging themselves in the things you can do with money have sought meaning to their lives through their religion. For people seeking a meaning to their life - the more fanatical they are about it - the more they feel fulfilled and the more extreme their actions.
No - Osama is not the only Saudi who has found meaning in the joy of screeching against the infidels.
Of course - you can find examples of this phenomena in peoples devotion to other religions, celebrities, hobbys, sports, their children and all kinds of things - but this fanaticism (the word "fan" is derived from) is harmless ... if it doesn't harm anyone. The particular fanatics we are dealing with however - which are NOT the majority of Muslims - are getting their fulfillment from killing other people. The only way to stop such people - is to kill them. They are devoted to their cause - and aren't going to be talked out of it. Appeasement or just running away - doesn't ****ing work. These people are joyous at killing other people therefore - they deserve to die.
We have made mistakes. We have killed innocent people. That happens in war - and it is the fault of the people who caused that war - which was NOT us. The thing is - we do not feel joy at taking these peoples lives. WE feel regret. WE try not to do it in the future - but - in a war - it is going to happen despite our best efforts.
The Terrorists - take great joy in killing innocent people. They don't regret it. It is what they are trying to do. When they kill innocent people - they look for ways to improve their efforts so they can kill MORE innocent people.
You would think ... that any decent person on this planet would be on OUR side and against the Terrorists - but - what do I find in this forum? All these little ****s who hate the US so much - that they'll attack us any way they can while we go about the difficult and dangerous task of trying to rid the world of these slime who enjoy the killing of innocent people.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.12.01 19:22:00 -
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@ Slade Trillgon:
1) Yes - internal affairs prosecutes these things but NO their inaction would not justify breaking the law by someone else.
2) Have you any idea how many silly, stupid little people there are in this world - who are firmly set in the belief that their stupid, silly little ideas are worth doing ANYTHING for? If you didn't have laws to restrict the actions of these people they'd do anything they damn well pleased whether YOU liked it or not.
3) What I would do - is to vote for the people I want to run my government - and then let them do their jobs. If I got to where I didn't like the way they were doing it - I would vote against them. THAT and the courts are your avenue for redress, NOT just publishing information which YOU decided was oh so important. Who the hell are YOU to make that decision. Who elected YOU to decide the value of my nations security?
There are people in this country who are opposed to my opinion. I might well think they are pin heads - but - they have a right to be pin heads if they want to - and - they can vote for some pin head they happen to like - which much to my consternation they often do. I have no more right to take upon myself something that undermines their votes and the results of our election than they do. If you will notice - BOTH - sides of our government are opposed to what was done here. But - you will ALWAYS have stupid, whiney little ****s who think that THEY and their stupid opinion is more important than anyone elses - and that their inflated opinion of themselves and their stupid, sillly little thoughts transcend everything.
Now - here's an exercise for you. Think of some people whose opinion YOU do not share. Now - imagine these people doing the same damn thing - on an issue that YOU are opposed to. Do you thnk that these peoples opinion is also so important that they should feel themselves above the law - just because THEY do?
What you have in a democratic government in a culture that is founded on The Rule of Law is a government elected by the people to enact laws for the governance of their nation. Everyone has the right to vote. We all get to express our opinions - and then vote on it - or - have our elected officials vote on it. That way - everyone's opinion is represented - not just that of someone who sets themselves up as being above the law. When stupid, silly little ****s who think that they and their little opinions are above the law - they should go to jail - which is where the little **** who released these documents is.
What I do NOT understand is why the ****s posting it on the web aren't in jail too. Now - here - if they haven't done something illegal - then they do have a right to do it. I just think - and would support my representatives making it illegal for them to do that in the future.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.12.01 19:24:00 -
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It's obvious you guys feel strongly about this and hey, it's your country and horrible government so I'll STFU now. I just hope we don't strike oil here in this country all I'm saying
Can't resist, I'll just leave this as a parting gift.
I still love you all *hugs*
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.12.01 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue Edited by: Vogue on 01/12/2010 18:18:05 My views about issues for the USA are left of centre. In the UK I am right of centre. But my views are not as leftist as some New York Times or Washington Post journalists.
The best news program in USA imo is GPS by Fareed Zakaria: www.cnn.com/gps. It has a centrist theme with good guest journalists.
I critique all sorts. My own country and the USA but I don't preach a fear agenda which is what Foxnews and their ilk do. With news banners like 'culture war' - 'Islam v Christians'.
However as a Brit I don't like the notion of foreign interests influencing my life. But with globalisation diluting national sovereignty my attitude is outmoded. So I need to get into a tardis and go back in time.
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Ha! Ha!
Yeah ... the joys of being in the middle is - you get attacked from both sides ...
Yeah. Fareed's pretty good.
The PBS News Hour is pretty good too but ... has a liberal slant like all of PBS. I also enjoy PBS's broadcast of the BBC World News.
Sixty Minutes ... I used to watch religiously ... until one day when I realized that every time they did a story on something I really knew something about ... they screwed it up ... At that point I began to wonder ... what about all those things I didn't know enough about to tell if they'd screwed them up?
Fox is actually a lot better than they used to be. At least now they're a Conservative voice whereas before they were NOTHING but a tabloid ... Jeraldo ... need I say more? Of course he's still there ... But - I actually find it refreshing to tune in now and then and listen to a conservative slant on things for a while. It's nice just to hear something other than the liberal bias that ALL of the other networks have.
MSNBC is pretty bad, the worst of the liberal media - though ... in contrasting them with Fox - Fox has risen from being truly excreble so that while MSNBC stinks ... Fox just doesn't stink as bad as it did.
CNN is the best of the cable news shows but ... that's not saying much. They just aren't as liberally biased as MSNBC ...
HLN - has two personalities. If you're up really early in the morning - they actually do the news. But - once they get into the afternoon - they're just out to make money and they turn into a tabloid. Nancy Grace exploits the deaths of children to sell commercial air time ... Jane Valez Mitchell ... Ha! Ha! looks like a bull dog barking at the screen "I'm Jane Valez Mitchel and I've got ISSUES!!!!" (in case you've forgotten who she is or what she's watching she flashers her logo across the screen every 15 to 30 seconds (not kidding about that) - but what I find so odd - is that when she smiles in her commercials - she is so pretty. Joy Behar (sp?) is an idiot. She brings on these guests and tries to argue with them - but then cuts them off if they start to win ... Ha! Ha! ... what a moron ...
HNN - is gone. For me ... it's kind of like when North American Aviation turned into Rockwell ... and never built a decent thing ever again ... at least not without killing people, going way over budget and under constant governmental over sight ... HNN was great. It was what cable was SUPPOSED to be. Their slogan was - "Give us 20 minutes and we'll give you the world". You could turn on your TV any time of the day or night watch for 20 minutes - maybe catching the end of one segment and the beginning of another and get your survey of what was going on in the world. *sigh* and we swapped that for the tabloid HLN turns into the second they think they can make money ...
Of course - I've really got it in for all "journalists" <--<< best use I've ever made of the eye roll ...
Their job is to sell news print or commercial air time - not report the news - and that is what they do ...
Their most telling saying is: "You can't let the facts get in the way of a good story."
Ah well, ya use what ya got.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.12.01 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre ... I just hope we don't strike oil here in this country all I'm saying
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Uh ... did I miss something ... I thought you said you were from the UK ... or ... has all that North Sea oil run out?
The thing is ... it's actually going the other way around ... and now we've got British Petroleum buying up formerly American Oil interests and bringing joy to our Gulf Coast. But - then ... perhaps they were just concerned for our well being ... you know ... pouring oil on troubled waters ... maybe they thought they'd calm a hurricane or two ... ya think?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.12.01 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: Louis deGuerre ... I just hope we don't strike oil here in this country all I'm saying
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Uh ... did I miss something ... I thought you said you were from the UK ... or ... has all that North Sea oil run out?
The thing is ... it's actually going the other way around ... and now we've got British Petroleum buying up formerly American Oil interests and bringing joy to our Gulf Coast. But - then ... perhaps they were just concerned for our well being ... you know ... pouring oil on troubled waters ... maybe they thought they'd calm a hurricane or two ... ya think?
Because American oil companies are so much better
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.12.01 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Uh ... did I miss something ... I thought you said you were from the UK ... or ... has all that North Sea oil run out?
The thing is ... it's actually going the other way around ... and now we've got British Petroleum buying up formerly American Oil interests and bringing joy to our Gulf Coast. But - then ... perhaps they were just concerned for our well being ... you know ... pouring oil on troubled waters ... maybe they thought they'd calm a hurricane or two ... ya think?
Dutch, all we have is gas and we're almost out. We're all learning Russian now to talk to our new energy overlords. That oil spill is a sad business. I hope it clears up faster than expected.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.01 22:54:00 -
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I really like the Daily Show with John Stewart. He is sharp, funny and not a douchebag. He criticises anyone in the public eye. And does a good job of drilling down through the media crap to get to important observations about the weird wacky world we live in. He chooses good guests and interviews them in a easy going manner.
Charlie Rose is a good American interviewer with his own websites. He talks to all the big names in the media spotlight.
In the UK we have BBC news. Which thinks it is THE authority for objective news. But as its narrative is not really that different from other news sources which makes it pretentious.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.12.01 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 01/12/2010 23:26:22 Edited by: Barakkus on 01/12/2010 23:20:58
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: Louis deGuerre
The Iraqis had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, endless Fox propaganda to the contrary. Unless you mean muslims as a group, which would make me sadfaced.
Please reference one instance of Fox News doing this.
A couple instances, and no I'm not going to go find every single instance ever done just to satisfy you... http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,103176,00.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199757,00.html And their commentators like O'Reily have done it on numerous occasions up until they got called out enough for doing it by other news outlets.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.12.01 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue
Charlie Rose is a good American interviewer with his own websites. He talks to all the big names in the media spotlight.
Just so you know, in US Charlie Rose is not a centrist, he is a lefty. As long as you know that he has this bias, he does have some very interesting interviews.
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2010.12.02 07:02:00 -
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Please note that political discussions are not allowed on our forums. Thread locked.
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