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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.02 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Finn
Originally by: Finn Why are they external rather than local, did CCP just flip a coin? Why are they reliant on being directed against a locked target in order to achieve specificity, is that random? How do these mechanics mesh with the concept of a cooperative engagement between disparate elements, and how does allowing external effects to duplicate local effects alter the schema and balance between the three types of slots, drone loadouts, and cooperative/solo play? Is it just coincidence that there are logi ships, local reppers, buffers and resist tanks?
As I said, balance/usage issues are related to all of those. Which one would you like to talk about?
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Jyngo
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.02 05:38:00 -
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I don't mind which balance issue you address finn. Address all of them if you like, or your favorite, or issue that will create the biggest imbalance.
Just stop dodging
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.02 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 02/01/2011 05:56:54
Originally by: Jyngo
Just stop dodging
You're welcome to dispute my claims that it would effect any and/or all of those dynamics and throw off their balance. You've refused to even address them for, what, half a dozen posts now? It's rather odd for you to claim that I'm dodging anything since you won't even address my points.
Again, choose any single one, or all of them if that's what you prefer as you've stated. Drones interact with each of the game mechanics I've noted, and changes would break those dynamics. Any of them that you'd like to argue aren't violated by the changes you support, have at it. But don't dodge the issue, that I've spelled out several times now, and claim that I'm dodging anything.
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Jyngo
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.02 10:14:00 -
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Well if you have no argument as to why this change would make gameplay imbalanced.....
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Scorpyn
Warp Ghosts Omega Spectres of the Deep
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Posted - 2011.01.03 12:44:00 -
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Clementina
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.07 02:18:00 -
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For all the people saying that it makes no sense to repair yourself with your own remote repair drones because they are a remote ship module and thus are like the remote repair modules on your own ship which of course cannot repair your own ships.
I hope you realize that you can repair your drones with your drones currently, and you can repair your drones with your remote repair modules; almost as if your drones were a separate vessel floating in space. Who knew.
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The Gr4veDigger
Rogue Clones
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Posted - 2011.01.10 04:01:00 -
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.10 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Clementina For all the people saying that it makes no sense to repair yourself with your own remote repair drones because they are a remote ship module and thus are like the remote repair modules on your own ship which of course cannot repair your own ships.
I hope you realize that you can repair your drones with your drones currently, and you can repair your drones with your remote repair modules; almost as if your drones were a separate vessel floating in space. Who knew.
QFT. Drones are treated as a separate ship within the context of receiving damage or traveling from one target to the next. No reason they shouldnĘt be considered capable of repairing the ship from which they were launched.
Regards, Windjammer
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Gaitrie
GZS-R Minmatar Fleet
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Posted - 2011.01.13 10:41:00 -
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Supported
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DK Reborn
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:50:00 -
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Supported.
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VIP Ares
BALKAN EXPRESS B A L E X
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:39:00 -
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supported
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Rouge Commando
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Posted - 2011.01.14 15:16:00 -
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I also couldn't figure out why it was impossible to rep yourself, to me the logic for why not wasn't there
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Maeve Trinity
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.15 03:30:00 -
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Yes Please.
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Offslash
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Posted - 2011.01.21 10:28:00 -
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+1 supported
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2011.01.21 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 21/01/2011 11:12:02 While I admit that I thought the same thing when I first heard of repair drones (and was dissapointed when I realised I couldnt rep myself), I see no need for this change.
Currently, ships have no real problems with tanking - so why spend time fixing a problem that doesnt exist? Additionally, you run into all sorts of risks with ship balancing, both against other ships and against NPC encounters. Given that there is no immediate problem that needs to be fixed, there's no justification of taking this risk.
tl;dr - repair drones are fine as they are.
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Glyken Touchon
Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal tl;dr - repair drones are fine as they are.
In that case, there needs to be a change to the descriptions stating that they cannot be used in this way.
Originally by: repair drone operation Allows operation of logistic drones. 5% increased repair amount per level.
Originally by: Light Armor Maintenance Bot I Armor Maintenance Drone
Originally by: Light Shield Maintenance Bot I Shield Maintenance Drone
Nowhere does it indicate that these are remote effects that can only be used on other people.
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Joss56
Unleashed' Fury
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:55:00 -
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Supported
It's a non sense that your drones, frigate sized ships, under your command are incapable of repair your own steel spacebike.
Give us another skill to learn and most important: number limit of drones on self repair = 5 ________________________________________________
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Mernek
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Posted - 2011.01.21 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer That's a nice wall of text, Finn, but I'm not going to read it. You know why? Because I don't have to anymore.
The first reason I started this debate was on the odds I could convince you. Failing that, I continued debating because you were worth it; Then you brought up my character. An ad hominem is any retort to an argument which grounds itself upon the character of one of the debaters. When you brought into question my experience with the game, you crossed a line which should never, ever be crossed. That you did not explicitly call me wrong because of my apparently lack of experience is effectively irrelevant; You weren't aiming to seek answers or a way to better explain yourself, you were aiming to discredit me on character grounds and you hoped that I either wouldn't notice the massive hole in your debate strategy or else would be too flustered to formulate a response. Even disregarding how insulting it is that you think I'd be too stupid to notice the gap, you still managed, in a single post, to shatter any and all credibility you might have had.
To put it another way, you're not worth my time, and after that pathetically low swipe I no longer have anything to lose by refusing to argue with you.
Have a nice day.
Or don't.
You're an idiot. If you don't have experience at an issue, calling you out on it is credible. This why potato peelers from chip shops aren't called to discuss the effects of TPA on stroke at neuro conferences.
Furthermore, if you are insulted by being told you don't understand how drones were set to work then i suggest you htfu.
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Dex Thunakar
Evil Genius Organisation
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Posted - 2011.01.21 14:17:00 -
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+1 [URL=http://profile.xfire.com/dexploratio][/URL] |
Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.01.21 16:04:00 -
[260]
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.21 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Glyken Touchon right-click on drone (or group), "repair owner"
no need to lock your own ship, and no possibility of having combat drones shooting yourself etc.
This may be the simplest and most elegant solution, though I wonder if CCP would go for it being that easy, they may get a giggle out of some of us using our ecm/combat drones on your own ships ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people! |
Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.21 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Val''Dore on 21/01/2011 18:24:08
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Currently, ships have no real problems with tanking - so why spend time fixing a problem that doesnt exist? Additionally, you run into all sorts of risks with ship balancing, both against other ships and against NPC encounters. Given that there is no immediate problem that needs to be fixed, there's no justification of taking this risk.
tl;dr - repair drones are fine as they are.
While I have some doubts about whether anyone from IVY can really speak about anything related to combat, I'd like to point out that this suggestion would have some very big effects in certain situations:
It would allow armor buffer tanked ships to repair themselves without going to a station and quite possibly give armor a true passive tank, while still costing it the use of drones for other things.
It would reduce the proliferation of ECM drones.
It would reduce the proliferation of Warrior II drones on some ships, which means IVY itself will have less to worry about.
It would create an entire drone culture based on defense, which is right now not in existence.
It would buff solo pvp.
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Xervish Krin
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Posted - 2011.01.21 21:33:00 -
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Supported!
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Zephris
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Posted - 2011.01.22 06:07:00 -
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+1. not being able to repair yourself with your own drones always strike me as ridiculous.
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Delencia Lakat
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Posted - 2011.01.22 06:25:00 -
[265]
I always wondered why this wasn't possible...
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Tanos Kotar
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Posted - 2011.01.23 20:40:00 -
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Supported, the very idea of having repair drones that cannot repair the host ship is and always has been stupid.
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Solaris Avanger
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Posted - 2011.01.24 01:30:00 -
[267]
yes i tottaly agree CCP failed not to add this option
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Cornerwood
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Posted - 2011.01.24 03:09:00 -
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One of those must be features in eve online. asap
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Jessica Autumn
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Posted - 2011.01.24 07:19:00 -
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Im actually surprised this wasn't available in the first place, its kinda common sense ur own drones repping urself.
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Kwashi
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.24 08:15:00 -
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If this is implemented, hope it's not a general "you can target yourself with drones" mechanic. Appearing on your own lossmail with your own attack drones to minimize killboard numbers would become the new fad :(
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