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Sallee Mander
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Posted - 2010.11.30 15:31:00 -
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HI not meaning to manipulate any markets, just curious:
With the coming of the Noctis what's gonna happen with destroyers, now that a specialty salvage ship is available?
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2010.11.30 15:36:00 -
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Probably not much. While some people are scrambling to get their hands on a Noctis first and pay the markup, most folk have done just fine with something a hundreth of the cost, and probably will continue to do so, at least until prices drop on the Noc. Of course by then Salvage prices may also drop, making you have to think if it's really a wise decision to invest in or not.
Also, Hulkageddon IV is coming up, and they'll be needing Destroyers.
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.11.30 16:47:00 -
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Destroyers are still a cost effective mission runner/salvager/suicide ganker/FW ship. They have a purpose and the demand won't go away.
You can't really manipulate a T1 small ship market. And if you did, you wouldn't make much ISK even if you were successful.
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Fred Barbossa
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Posted - 2010.11.30 19:26:00 -
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Salvage destroyers generally aren't dying out in doves. Sucide and FW destroyers are so they're probably a bigger part of the demand.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.11.30 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sallee Mander HI not meaning to manipulate any markets, just curious:
With the coming of the Noctis what's gonna happen with destroyers, now that a specialty salvage ship is available?
Eh- Destroyers already sell for... well, peanuts per ship. BPOs are also pretty cheap. I expect that if anything changes, it'll just be that sell orders fill slower, and people end up putting their destroyer BPOs in rotation a bit less often.
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Probably not much. While some people are scrambling to get their hands on a Noctis first and pay the markup, most folk have done just fine with something a hundreth of the cost, and probably will continue to do so, at least until prices drop on the Noc. Of course by then Salvage prices may also drop, making you have to think if it's really a wise decision to invest in or not.
Kinda depends what you mean "at least until prices drop on the Noc". If you mean "prices drop to around 50m", then sure... but personally I don't see that taking too terribly long. I mean, after all the build time on it is less than 3 hours and there have already been thousands (literally) of BPOs for it purchased. A few hours ago, it was something like 2300 bought, even if you round that down to 2,000 and figure no more get bought, that's still 16,000 Nocti a day. That's what, 2 days to make one for every person online at peak? 10-20 days to make one for every active account in the game?
I figure a few days or maybe a week until enough get made that prices are pushed to somewhere in the build +10-15 mil range, which would be something like 50.
As to "they've been doing just fine without it"... with cargohold opt. I rigs and expanded cargohold IIs, the Noctis has just over 4,600 m3 of space. With lvl 4 skills, it tractors at 1700 m/s from 34 km. It all works out to the Noctis being able to salvage missions faster with less running around and without multiple trips. Saying you COULD still use destroyers/BCs for salvaging is like saying you COULD do lvl 4s in an assault frig- sure, you could, but why make it harder for yourself? *** Wish list for PI:
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2010.11.30 22:58:00 -
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Noctis gets +60% tractor range per level, so at level 5:
20 * ( 1 + 0.6 * 5 ) = 80 km
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.12.01 07:51:00 -
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I find it hard to believe that someone could manufacture and sell enough destroyers to make over 50 million isk an hour in the time to gather mats , maintain the poss, and transport them to market .
Even if it was 100% profit you'd need to sell something likek 150 of them per hour of time you put in to get to a decent missioning rate.
Seems like its just a role play endevour
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.12.01 14:11:00 -
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Bottom line: Demand for destroyers to use for salvaging is going to decline... which in turn will lower their value. Up til the noctis it was easily possible to sell Destroyers for 50% or more above build cost. I highly suspect that the margin on them now will dip down to the 5-10% range just like every other ship out there.
The Noctis is THAT much better at being a salvage vessel...
Hell destroyers had already slowly started to take a hit when folks started realizing how much better a salvage 'cane was than a catalyst.
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EoD
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Posted - 2010.12.07 13:36:00 -
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even before noctis im suprised any serious salvage piot other than a new one would use a destroyer over a bc
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Illectroculus Defined
Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.07 13:46:00 -
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While I was selling noctii I put up some buy orders for destroyers figuring that people would ditch them when they upgraded, acquired a handfull at below mineral costs, which turned out to be nice since building noctis sucked all the minerals from the market ;-) Vote Illectro for CSM5! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players |
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