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Anubis Assassin
Caldari SandStorm.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 18:41:00 -
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Jita is bad enough with all the people constantly in there. Why are we letting it be worse with the damn station campers ALWAYS outside of 4-4? Sansha obviously have a way to produce system wide effects. For RP purposes, give CONCORD a way to completely lock out weapons fire of any kind in Jita. If they wanna camp something, make them have to camp all the exit points from Jita. On the other side of the gates. OUT of Jita.
The only con I can think of would be people with active war-decs could hide in Jita. But it wouldn't really be any different than camping in a station elsewhere. --------------------------- I have to make my own sig break? WTF? These forums suck CCP, fix 'em or get something better... I'm tired of reading Khraunus' sig every single time I read one of his |
Pan Dora
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.11.30 18:51:00 -
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New caldari have station also, you can eve play 0,01 ISK game there. _
I like to play this game because it make my in-game actions and archievments to mean something in-game. |
Buzz Killingdon
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Posted - 2010.11.30 19:03:00 -
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boo-urns
I like it the way it is now. Why wouldn't they just lock out weapons in ALL 1.0 systems? Noone is safe, and that's alot more fun
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Anubis Assassin
Caldari SandStorm.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 19:04:00 -
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You're completely missing the point... --------------------------- I have to make my own sig break? WTF? These forums suck CCP, fix 'em or get something better... I'm tired of reading Khraunus' sig every single time I read one of his |
Buzz Killingdon
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Posted - 2010.11.30 19:07:00 -
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I think it is you who is missing the point.
You'd just be moving the lag to all exit points, except it would be worse. You're spreading Jita lag like a hot hooker with Syphilis. Don't be a hot hooker with Syphilis!!
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DeadNite
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.30 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: DeadNite on 30/11/2010 19:11:47 When the incursion hits Jita, I just want to be in a cloaky watching all the hilarity.
EDIT: They should drop an HQ level incursion right on top of it. It is, what it is. |
Anubis Assassin
Caldari SandStorm.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 23:38:00 -
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No... I think it is YOU who is missing the point. If you're going to make up ****, then explain it. How would making them all fan out to different gates make things worse? --------------------------- I have to make my own sig break? WTF? These forums suck CCP, fix 'em or get something better... I'm tired of reading Khraunus' sig every single time I read one of his |
a newbie
Caldari Trust Doesn't Rust Supremacy.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 23:57:00 -
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This topic should burn with the bodies now spreading across my windshield. XD
Well all kidding aside this would just turn EVE into WOW. No thank you. You can shoot anyone anywhere. The only price you pay is the repercussions for your actions if any. That is the way of EVE and making one system or even a few "safe" it just ruins the game. You want safety, get a few more friends.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.12.01 00:21:00 -
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freighter...if the guys with guns scare you here is your solution. Just don't fly there with a war dec against you lol (NPC corp the pilot worst case).
Unless you buying carriers at 4-4 (like to see that by the way), you can fly it out packaged lol. Or courier contract a rigged bs ftw.
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Glyken Touchon
Gallente Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2010.12.01 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Glyken Touchon on 01/12/2010 00:56:32 Why Jita specifically? (and not other systems too?
Also, the reason that spreading out the lag woould be worse is that the Jita node is reinforced- it's neighbours aren't.
edit- clarification
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Vardath
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Posted - 2010.12.01 01:22:00 -
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jita is not the center of the universe
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Flesh Slurper
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Posted - 2010.12.01 01:34:00 -
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A terrible idea.
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William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.01 02:05:00 -
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gb2wow -
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Win Master
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Posted - 2010.12.01 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Assassin Jita is bad enough with all the people constantly in there. Why are we letting it be worse with the damn station campers ALWAYS outside of 4-4? Sansha obviously have a way to produce system wide effects. For RP purposes, give CONCORD a way to completely lock out weapons fire of any kind in Jita. If they wanna camp something, make them have to camp all the exit points from Jita. On the other side of the gates. OUT of Jita.
The only con I can think of would be people with active war-decs could hide in Jita. But it wouldn't really be any different than camping in a station elsewhere.
Fail...
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William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.01 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: William Cooly on 01/12/2010 02:24:26 So I went to search OP's lossmails because I was sure that he'd lost a ship to a gatecamp to come up with this QQ idea, and sure enough, http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11274617 Alpha Arty Apocs. Only odd thing is it's in Motsu, guess OP had his memories scrambled when his pod disconnected from his 1.1bil ship and thought he was in Jita.
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Vespoi Filar
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Posted - 2010.12.01 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: William Cooly Edited by: William Cooly on 01/12/2010 02:24:26 So I went to search OP's lossmails because I was sure that he'd lost a ship to a gatecamp to come up with this QQ idea, and sure enough, http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11274617 Alpha Arty Apocs. Only odd thing is it's in Motsu, guess OP had his memories scrambled when his pod disconnected from his 1.1bil ship and thought he was in Jita.
That was over a month ago!
I wonder what his alt lost outside Jita 4-4 today?
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William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.01 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: William Cooly on 01/12/2010 02:40:59
Originally by: Vespoi Filar That was over a month ago!
Well now don't I look silly. I should learn to read dates, thought 10 was November for some reason. This is November, right? 11?
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Anubis Assassin
Caldari SandStorm.
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Posted - 2010.12.01 04:01:00 -
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You guys can be some real dumbasses sometimes, I swear...
I haven't lost anything in Jita. It's a congested clusterf***. No pew pew in Jita and it wouldn't be nearly as bad. I've lost plenty of **** before, none of it in Jita either, doesn't matter.
So AGAIN, because apparently the same people posting here are the same ones from battleclinic (don't get me started...), you're missing the goddamn point.
It's not about being scared of pew pew, or QQ because calling people cry babies some how makes you feel better about yourselves. It's about clearing up Jita so it's not such a gang banging clusterf***. |
William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.01 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Assassin Horpdorp
I like how everyone in this topic disagrees with him but he still calls us all dumbasses.
I would redirect this thread but not worth it tbh.
This thread is dead, don't support it by not posting in it. |
Anubis Assassin
Caldari SandStorm.
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Posted - 2010.12.01 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: William Cooly
I like how everyone in this topic disagrees with him but he still calls us all dumbasses.
I would redirect this thread but not worth it tbh.
This thread is dead, don't support it by not posting in it.
You mean besides the fact that none of you have actually posted anything intelligent or constructive? Or the fact that you completely missed the point of the topic?
Don't have anything good to say other than trolling, please stfu and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out o/ --------------------------- I have to make my own sig break? WTF? These forums suck CCP, fix 'em or get something better... I'm tired of reading Khraunus' sig every single time I read one of his |
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.12.01 06:02:00 -
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Somewhere in the mists of time...100's of players said lets make jita 4-4 a hub. Where there is commerce, there is gankers. Who stay there because sadly, muppets think its a good idea to run itty 5's all cargo extenders and no tank with 500mil worth of crap. Or get tricksy...and move 100 mil isk bpos or billions of isk in plex in t1 frigates (not even going for dramiel, which if fit and flown right you damn near need a bubble to catch or even a damn nano'd inty for a cheaper option).
And the privateers and orphans to kill war dec targets to natural select out the window lickers who haven't learned the ways of out of corp hauling alt.
Basically its not even the gankers and privateers fault jita is messed up....its the idiots who make sitting there for hours a day actually worthwhile. Want to fix jita...get with the idiots giving easy kills with 100 mil loot drops to keep the gankers wallet fat.
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2010.12.01 06:08:00 -
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In all seriousness, locking weapons would be silly. EVE is a dog eats dog game and wardecs reach their pinnacle of usefulness in being able to pseudo-control trade hubs, adding a tactical element to starving your opponent.
That and the previous post hits dead on: idiots thinking they can just ship phat loot without a care in the world need to get with the program. Don't want gankers? Don't be gank-food. As for lag and such...trade hubs will forever have lag not only because of the ships, but the massive amounts of orders being placed in their stations and the huge quantities of items (which = server usage) being moved in a single system.
As a final note, don't trade at Jita. EVE is a game of choice, there are several other just as profitable hubs. |
Derth Ramir
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Posted - 2010.12.01 06:10:00 -
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LOL You are the kind of person that is only happy when everyone agrees with you ,, yet when you see one sign of disagreement you blow them off as stupid or a troll or illogical. grow up ...
btw this is coming from a 14 year old
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Tosi
NPC Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.01 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tosi on 01/12/2010 07:15:29 Please give one spitout caldari station and turn 4-4 to such. i want my consensual pvp.
Originally by: Misanthra (NPC corp the pilot worst case).
check.
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Xorv
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Posted - 2010.12.01 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Assassin For RP purposes, give CONCORD a way to completely lock out weapons fire of any kind in Jita.
RP as in "roleplaying"? How does your proposal have anything to do with roleplaying? Your attempt to use roleplaying to justify your PvP nerf proposal both offends and confuses me as someone who has actually been a roleplayer in MMORPGs.
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Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
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Posted - 2010.12.01 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Assassin You mean besides the fact that none of you have actually posted anything intelligent or constructive? Or the fact that you completely missed the point of the topic?
Don't have anything good to say other than trolling, please stfu and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out o/
I think the point is mostly that only a handful of people who lost their alts yesterday would agree with you. Hell, I'm never in jita if I can help it, and I'm against it.
I also don't think it'll solve any problems. Few times I'm in jita, it was actually pretty stable lately. So why bother 'solving' that which is no problem to begin with? Let the wardeccers shoot, let the wannabe pirates suicide, and let WoW players play WoW.
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Matrix Massim
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Posted - 2010.12.01 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vardath jita is not the center of the universe
You arent a trader are you?
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.12.01 09:05:00 -
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Can I take it from all the swearing, that the OP has failed?
Anyway, bad idea is bad.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar Rebirth.
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Posted - 2010.12.01 09:32:00 -
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U mad bro? ------------------------------------------------- "Vae Victis" -Brennus |
KaiserSoze434
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Posted - 2010.12.01 09:47:00 -
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Let me go ahead and shoot a truck sized hole in your lame suggestion. You think giving every candy ass in EVE ONE system where they can't get shot even while wardecced will DECREASE traffic there? Errors in thinking that big are not made accidentally. Sorry man, this idea is stupid. Maybe another game is for you. "Aghast the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." |
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Brandrsun
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:27:00 -
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No
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Jyngo
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:40:00 -
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Postin in a troll thread.
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Buzz Killingdon
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Glyken Touchon Edited by: Glyken Touchon on 01/12/2010 00:56:32 Why Jita specifically? (and not other systems too?
Also, the reason that spreading out the lag woould be worse is that the Jita node is reinforced- it's neighbours aren't.
edit- clarification
This. Dumbass. Let's just make empire space a great big NAP fest, and serve milk and cookies instead of missiles and lasers. Do they have rainbows in space that we can skip towards while holding hands in the sunset?
If you don't like the way it is, don't go to Jita. There are systems just outside Jita with very similar prices, with very few gankers, and no lag. If this idea was implemented, you'd have people that don't even go to Jita leaving the game, because once the flood gates open, well you get the idea, I would hope.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.12.01 17:35:00 -
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Why should Jita have different rules than any other high sec system??
CCP did not make Jita the main market hub of the game, the players did.
FFS do you people not understand how a sandbox game works? Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
Kabaal S'sylistha
Caldari Technomage Trilogy Comrades-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.12.01 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Orin Why should Jita have different rules than any other high sec system??
CCP did not make Jita the main market hub of the game, the players did.
FFS do you people not understand how a sandbox game works?
Cat poops in box, autistic boy eats sand and gets almost /dead, deranged doctor solves all the problems in the end but is still somehow an arse? -More Pewpew, Less QQ- |
Jaik7
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Posted - 2010.12.02 20:16:00 -
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if this occurs, then we'd have to balance it out somehow.
say that this weapons lock is exorbitantly costly to CONCORD, it would be reasonable to charge a fee to every person entering the system, whteher that be from the outside thru a stargate or from the inside thru a station. i think knocking you ten mil would be good enough. i don't think that anywhre should just be safe wihtout palyers having to do something, and since carebears (me) can't shoot, this is a pretty good way to do that in my opinion.
as to wardecced guys hanging out there, what are they gonna do? pi is out, mining is out, pvp is what they're running from... the only thing i can think of would be things you can do from any station in eve, (market mogul stuff, courier contract setting, buy orders, ect.) which would make it simply not worth it to go all the way to Jita to hide in the same way they would in any old sation.
the systems around Jits probably would not get too much extra lag, because they are already handling the epik convoys of stuff that goes through them hourly, and they've already got more than their fair share of gankers, scavengers, and other neerdowells.
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Anubis Assassin
Caldari SandStorm.
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Posted - 2010.12.15 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jaik7 if this occurs, then we'd have to balance it out somehow.
say that this weapons lock is exorbitantly costly to CONCORD, it would be reasonable to charge a fee to every person entering the system, whteher that be from the outside thru a stargate or from the inside thru a station. i think knocking you ten mil would be good enough. i don't think that anywhre should just be safe wihtout palyers having to do something, and since carebears (me) can't shoot, this is a pretty good way to do that in my opinion.
as to wardecced guys hanging out there, what are they gonna do? pi is out, mining is out, pvp is what they're running from... the only thing i can think of would be things you can do from any station in eve, (market mogul stuff, courier contract setting, buy orders, ect.) which would make it simply not worth it to go all the way to Jita to hide in the same way they would in any old sation.
the systems around Jits probably would not get too much extra lag, because they are already handling the epik convoys of stuff that goes through them hourly, and they've already got more than their fair share of gankers, scavengers, and other neerdowells.
At least someone here isn't a complete moron intent on flaming rather than thinking... I dunno about the fee though, just another isk sink. That would also be tacking on a 10m price tag on anything you buy from there. It'd probably force most items to stop being traded there. Whether that would be a good thing or not, I dunno.
I just got outta jita and it's so horrible right now... I also liked an idea someone else said in local. They linked a thread about it, but I'll be damned if I click it. They were talking about muting trial accounts in jita. I think that's a pretty good idea as well. --------------------------- I have to make my own sig break? WTF? These forums suck CCP, fix 'em or get something better... I'm tired of reading Khraunus' sig every single time I read one of his |
Glyken Touchon
Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2010.12.16 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Assassin
I just got outta jita and it's so horrible right now...
gee- I wonder why its so busy. Could it be because most people have 6/7 figures worth of SP to put into new toys?
Its going to be very busy for a few days.
Lets face it- even Concord sov systems aren't weapon-locked. Jita isn't even 1.0- if this got through, what is the reason that all other 0.9 and 1.0 systems aren't also weapon-locked?
In fact you may have more success pushing for an upgrade to the system's sec status rather than this.
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2010.12.16 03:54:00 -
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twould be better if the response time was improved.
i personally don't support this thread and wont sign my name to it in support because i personally think that EVE is a freefire zone where you can get away with almost anything you can get away with. makes it more fun for me too, even though i am a carebear.
i posted before because i like to contribute to wierd ideas, and i was trying to push this idea from the ridiculous to the almost plausible.
I'd really rather have it set up so that hisec systems can be declared weapons locked by concord after a corp pays an exorbitant fee, and low and nullsecs should be allowed to be concord patrolled for ten times the previous exorbitant price, but still have concord arrival put off for up to a full minute. really, if someone can't gank you within a minute, i don't think that they should have undocked in the noobship. this gives carebears the security blanket they want to go to riskier space, and it leaves plenty of room for competent pirates to make some pretty fireworks.
to me, at least, it makes sense that concord operates as a mercenary service instead of a police force, because theres no money in their current line.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.12.16 05:36:00 -
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Hey here's a hint: If you don't like lag.... wait for it... Don't go to jita! Simple huh? Feel free to pay me.
Seriously though, every time they upgrade jita, or reduce the lag in any way, more people go there. I can remember when the population cap was 400. Stop being part of the problem, or stop complaining about it.
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.16 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: DeadNite Edited by: DeadNite on 30/11/2010 19:11:47 When the incursion hits Jita, I just want to be in a cloaky watching all the hilarity.
EDIT: They should drop an HQ level incursion right on top of it.
Launching an incursion on Jita would be like ****ing on an electrified hornets nest.
And the hornets are on fire.
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Zaboth Garadath
Amarr Ore Extraction Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.16 07:04:00 -
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.16 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Glyken Touchon
Originally by: Anubis Assassin
I just got outta jita and it's so horrible right now...
gee- I wonder why its so busy. Could it be because most people have 6/7 figures worth of SP to put into new toys?
Its going to be very busy for a few days.
LOL. Finally someone who gets it. Duh. :)
-1 (+1 for a semi-funny troll, and -2 for the actual idea) --
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Zeb DaMadMiner
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Posted - 2010.12.16 12:10:00 -
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Don't worry, you forget.. After Incarna gets released, everybody will be too busy looking at their Exotic Dancer's to be hogging airspace. :D
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Joss56
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.16 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Assassin You're completely missing the point...
No he's not, you are the one who looks behind your miror teinted glasses and incapable to trade/craft/sell/scam/gank from any other system arount jita.
tsk tsk tsk
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.12.16 13:41:00 -
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I support the concept behind this idea, but the idea that war targets can just hide there with no consequences is a little iffy... but then again, there's not much you can do in Jita besides trade. No missions, no belts... You could just camp Jita like you camp a station. Yeah, actually I think this is a good idea. Makes sense that in the super future there's a way for the police to make sure people don't fire missiles at each other in the middle of the biggest shopping mall in the universe.
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar Fleet of Doom Vanguard.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 20:51:00 -
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so... you want to give the Walmart door greeters fully automatic assault rifles eh?
WELCOME TO WALMART!
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.12.16 22:19:00 -
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Real answer-
Change the definition of a "fully reinforced" node.
No longer does it mean a single node for a whole system. It now means a single node for one station (Jita 4-4).
Also, 4-4 has it's own local channel.
Then we have one node so your market transactions happen real quick, then a separate node so your hauler gets blown up real quick too!
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