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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.11.30 22:59:00 -
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Phantasm needs a bit of dev love, and quick.
Almost all faction ships have its purpose, good and bad sides, some of them even are very popular (yeah i mean angel stuph).
But Phantasm has only an fancy-looking. And really no special abilities or advantages (+25% tracking? yeah, thanks. now my tracking is like default medium autocannon lol)
its speed and agility is like hurricane with 2nanos (but, hey, its cruiser! not battlecruiser), its tank is like rupture, its dps even lower than rupture, it cant fit mwd + medium capbooster + medium neut even with ACR rig (awesome powergrid!), it has only 3 small drones, it can live only while consuming capboosters, but, hey, its only 7 of them in cargo!
only thing it can do ok is killing t1 cruisers or disabled closerange BCs. but i can do the same thing with less expensive ships, which require less skills.
i think phantasm needs a huge boost of base characteristics or special bonus like +100% of tracking speed. maim, kill, burn! |
I'm Down
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Posted - 2010.12.01 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: xo3e Phantasm needs a bit of dev love, and quick.
Almost all faction ships have its purpose, good and bad sides, some of them even are very popular (yeah i mean angel stuph).
But Phantasm has only an fancy-looking. And really no special abilities or advantages (+25% tracking? yeah, thanks. now my tracking is like default medium autocannon lol)
its speed and agility is like hurricane with 2nanos (but, hey, its cruiser! not battlecruiser), its tank is like rupture, its dps even lower than rupture, it cant fit mwd + medium capbooster + medium neut even with ACR rig (awesome powergrid!), it has only 3 small drones, it can live only while consuming capboosters, but, hey, its only 7 of them in cargo!
only thing it can do ok is killing t1 cruisers or disabled closerange BCs. but i can do the same thing with less expensive ships, which require less skills.
i think phantasm needs a huge boost of base characteristics or special bonus like +100% of tracking speed.
Lower mass, 125 more base powergrid, and increase the damage bonus from 5% to 7.5% per level and it would be fine.
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Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.12.01 00:57:00 -
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Back before Dominion, the Sansha ships were the only faction ships worth using. In Dominion, CCP boosted all pirate ships beyond Sansha ships and NERFED the Phantasm.
It makes no sense at all. Boost Sansha ships (and nerf the dramiel and cynabal). ____________________________________________
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2010.12.01 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Don Pellegrino Back before Dominion, the Sansha ships were the only faction ships worth using. In Dominion, CCP boosted all pirate ships beyond Sansha ships and NERFED the Phantasm.
It makes no sense at all. Boost Sansha ships (and nerf the dramiel and cynabal).
+1
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.01 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: King Rothgar on 01/12/2010 03:46:16 Agreed, the phantasm is terribly lack luster. The cynabal is overpowered, the ashimmu is cool as hell (and often underestimated) but the phantasm just smacks of mediocre. The OP exaggerates it's lack of performance, it is solidly superior to a rupture. There is no question about that. But it's not any better than a navy omen or really even any different. It's basically a shield tanking navy omen with the same speed and agility as the trimarked version. Tracking bonuses aren't a bad thing but they don't match amarr ships generally.
I think more appropriate bonuses would be to stick with the standard amarr/caldari bonuses. So something along these lines: Amarr cruiser skill: +5% RoF per level Caldari cruiser skill: +5% shield resistance per level
A good alternative is +5% damage for caldari cruiser skill so it's an outright gank ship. Along with these changes it should have it's mass decreased some , base speed increased (10-20%) and it's drone bay increased to 25m3.
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Wu Jiaqiu
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.01 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Don Pellegrino Back before Dominion, the Sansha ships were the only faction ships worth using. In Dominion, CCP boosted all pirate ships beyond Sansha ships and NERFED the Phantasm.
It makes no sense at all. Boost Sansha ships (and nerf the dramiel and cynabal).
This. Minmatar here and I think we need a nerf. We outclass nearly everything else in terms of speed tracking and dps.
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Beulea
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.01 21:11:00 -
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Nice idea=)
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UKRAINIAN DOOMER
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Posted - 2010.12.01 21:31:00 -
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/Me support this thread
After Dominion all pirate wessels was rebalanced.
CCP remove ****ty bonuses and give some awesome stuff.
For example 1. Vigilant - Deimos with better damage and overpowered web . also this ship have better fitting abilities than deimos 2, Ashimmu - Pilgrim with turrets instead drones . good web an tanking abilities .
What we have with fantasm and other sansha ships?
Low PG (succubus\phantasm) , big problems with capacitor and dont have uniqe bonus like other pirate ship .
will be nice if bonus to tracking wil changed to something better. Like 1. + 5% all shield resistance 2. + 10% to optimal range 3. + 5% to rate of fire. Also need more capasitor\PG\Speed. Thnks
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Meisje
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Posted - 2010.12.01 21:43:00 -
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Definitely supported.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.01 22:30:00 -
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I fly my phantasm anyway, because it is cheaper than a HAC. I thought CCP was making the faction ships better than T2 in Dominion?
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.01 22:34:00 -
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2 Heat Sink II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II 2 Invulnerability Field II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II
3 Focused Medium Pulse Laser II 2 Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
3 Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
3 Warrior II's
This is the best I could do. It isn't bad but I would still rather be in a Hurricane.
It certainly doesn't inspire the fear it's brothers do.
And the Succubus could use some love as well
/Supported
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2010.12.01 23:16:00 -
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[Phantasm, Phantastic] Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
This ship is awesome Idunno what you guys are smoking.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.02 01:23:00 -
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Looks like my phantasm and I think it's junk compared to my ashimmu, cynabal and even my lowly navy vexor. It is better than any t1 cruiser, but it's not better than t2 and pirate faction ships are intended to be. Back when the faction ships were being retooled, CCP stated very clearly that their intention was the following setup: t1 < navy < t2 < pirate. They largely achieved this except in the case of the phantasm, for it it's t1 < navy = pirate < t2. The fact that the navy omen and phantasm have the same price tag (80-90M) speaks volumes.
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Rozmundiy
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Posted - 2010.12.02 06:16:00 -
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+1
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Lord Recarus
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Posted - 2010.12.02 07:37:00 -
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+1
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HaartSp
The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.12.02 07:51:00 -
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supporting
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Vrat Briner
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Posted - 2010.12.02 08:09:00 -
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yeah
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Aberfort
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Posted - 2010.12.02 08:24:00 -
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+1
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LlGHTVlZ0R
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Posted - 2010.12.02 08:26:00 -
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+1
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Kogh Ayon
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Posted - 2010.12.02 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 02/12/2010 11:21:42
Originally by: King Rothgar Looks like my phantasm and I think it's junk compared to my ashimmu, cynabal and even my lowly navy vexor. It is better than any t1 cruiser, but it's not better than t2 and pirate faction ships are intended to be. Back when the faction ships were being retooled, CCP stated very clearly that their intention was the following setup: t1 < navy < t2 < pirate. They largely achieved this except in the case of the phantasm, for it it's t1 < navy = pirate < t2. The fact that the navy omen and phantasm have the same price tag (80-90M) speaks volumes.
Price was based on the usage.
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KpeBegk0
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Posted - 2010.12.02 11:30:00 -
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+1
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Tosi
NPC Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.02 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tosi on 02/12/2010 12:20:32 when no mods fit, ashimmu actually has stronger shield tank than phantasm ;P Take a note on phantasm shield regen speed ;P
e: typo
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ARSeg
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Posted - 2010.12.02 13:09:00 -
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+1
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Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.02 13:48:00 -
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+1
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UKRAINIAN DOOMER
KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.12.02 15:41:00 -
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/Me requesting some game masters to this topic :D
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Kordorun
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Posted - 2011.01.07 23:24:00 -
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good idea. +1 /me thinks that some angel ships making disbalance in faction ships niche
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TRD2009
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Posted - 2011.01.08 10:03:00 -
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+1
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.01.09 13:44:00 -
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+1
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Khon Dee
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Posted - 2011.02.02 03:45:00 -
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+1
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DeftCrow Redriver
Best Path Inc. IT Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.02 04:11:00 -
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+1.
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