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Solena Rain
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Posted - 2010.12.01 07:53:00 -
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390 million from ORE.
Anyone want to beat that price?
Anything more is not worth the trouble.
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Tekota
legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.01 08:27:00 -
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Not worth the trouble of heading through bubble camps well into null sec and back out again with 390m print in your hold?
Your suggesting people should take that risk and then pay you for the privilege of taking it?
Current markup in Jita is about 20%, pretty reasonable after one day, it'll doubtless fall a bit further still - but you want it to go for less than NPC?
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Swidgen
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Posted - 2010.12.01 09:39:00 -
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1/10
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2010.12.01 10:32:00 -
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So yes, I was in a CovOp trying to get some of these. I just gave up seeing how fast I'd be poped even with a MWD. And since T3 ships are required, and that still remains somehow risky if there are some warp scrambling ship at 200km from station around the instawarp bookmarks.
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2010.12.01 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Netheranthem So yes, I was in a CovOp trying to get some of these. I just gave up seeing how fast I'd be poped even with a MWD. And since T3 ships are required, and that still remains somehow risky if there are some warp scrambling ship at 200km from station around the instawarp bookmarks.
Which says, you don't know how to fly a Cov Ops worth crap. 1/10. -------------------------------------------------------- First, last and only warning. I am a CORPORATE pirate. Really, really. |
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.12.01 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Netheranthem So yes, I was in a CovOp trying to get some of these. I just gave up seeing how fast I'd be poped even with a MWD. And since T3 ships are required, and that still remains somehow risky if there are some warp scrambling ship at 200km from station around the instawarp bookmarks.
Instawarp bookmarks should be at least 1000km anyone using 200km instawarps is a fkn loon.
My alliance ran multiple T3's through the camps yesterday and didn't lose a single one. It's not hard if you fit the T3 properly for travel. 2x WCS in the lows (just in case someone gets lucky and gets a lock or something), covops cloak, interdiction nullifier, MWD, nanos, polies.... zoom zoom.
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Mike TheMiner
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Solena Rain 390 million from ORE.
Anyone want to beat that price?
Nope
Originally by: Solena Rain Anything more is not worth the trouble.
Thousands of people say otherwise, if its so easy, why dont you just pop into the station and buy one.
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Anachronic
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mike TheMiner
Originally by: Solena Rain 390 million from ORE.
Anyone want to beat that price?
Nope
Originally by: Solena Rain Anything more is not worth the trouble.
Thousands of people say otherwise, if its so easy, why dont you just pop into the station and buy one.
Well there will be popping, but not the kind that they want... ---------------------------- Outta my way... |
Tasko Pal
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tekota
Current markup in Jita is about 20%, pretty reasonable after one day, it'll doubtless fall a bit further still - but you want it to go for less than NPC?
I have to agree with Solena. Given how many were purchased, I think 300 to 350 mil is a reasonable price. I might add there's roughly ten times as many on sale in the Forge as there are buy orders at or above 350 mil. You do the math.
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gillaboo
Originally by: Netheranthem So yes, I was in a CovOp trying to get some of these. I just gave up seeing how fast I'd be poped even with a MWD. And since T3 ships are required, and that still remains somehow risky if there are some warp scrambling ship at 200km from station around the instawarp bookmarks.
Which says, you don't know how to fly a Cov Ops worth crap. 1/10.
lolz. Tell me how you don't decloak at 2000m range and I'll think you're maybe not a moron.
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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Netheranthem
Originally by: Gillaboo
Originally by: Netheranthem So yes, I was in a CovOp trying to get some of these. I just gave up seeing how fast I'd be poped even with a MWD. And since T3 ships are required, and that still remains somehow risky if there are some warp scrambling ship at 200km from station around the instawarp bookmarks.
Which says, you don't know how to fly a Cov Ops worth crap. 1/10.
lolz. Tell me how you don't decloak at 2000m range and I'll think you're maybe not a moron.
You don't fly in a straight line from point A to point B, you evade ships. A Cov Ops should be quick enough to evade ships in the Warp bubble, don't fly in a predictable pattern and don't fly to the closest warp border. Unless they've saturated the gate with objects (which you should have encountered on the way to the station).
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Mari Ket
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:23:00 -
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390 is a fair price, in ORE. Otherwise, if you don't like it, go get it yourself.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal Edited by: Tasko Pal on 01/12/2010 15:36:37
Originally by: Tekota
Current markup in Jita is about 20%, pretty reasonable after one day, it'll doubtless fall a bit further still - but you want it to go for less than NPC?
I have to agree with Solena. Given how many were purchased, I think 300 to 350 mil is a reasonable price. I might add there's currently roughly ten times as many on sale in the Forge as there are buy orders at or above 350 mil. You do the math.
Sorry what? How could a price lower than what they were bought for possibly be fair? Who the hell is gonna fly all the way out there and buy them for 390 only to sell them on for a 90mill loss? Am I missing something or does this sound as daft to everyone else?
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Tekota
legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Tasko Pal Edited by: Tasko Pal on 01/12/2010 15:36:37
Originally by: Tekota
Current markup in Jita is about 20%, pretty reasonable after one day, it'll doubtless fall a bit further still - but you want it to go for less than NPC?
I have to agree with Solena. Given how many were purchased, I think 300 to 350 mil is a reasonable price. I might add there's currently roughly ten times as many on sale in the Forge as there are buy orders at or above 350 mil. You do the math.
Sorry what? How could a price lower than what they were bought for possibly be fair? Who the hell is gonna fly all the way out there and buy them for 390 only to sell them on for a 90mill loss? Am I missing something or does this sound as daft to everyone else?
I fear we have been trolled :(
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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mari Ket
390 is a fair price, in ORE. Otherwise, if you don't like it, go get it yourself.
As I was saying, in Jita, it looks like the fair price will get lower than 390. I see many months, perhaps even years before the oversupply of noctis BPOs will work itself out. It's too easy to make those things. But I'd be willing to speculate just the same, if the price were right.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
Originally by: Mari Ket
390 is a fair price, in ORE. Otherwise, if you don't like it, go get it yourself.
As I was saying, in Jita, it looks like the fair price will get lower than 390. I see many months, perhaps even years before the oversupply of noctis BPOs will work itself out. It's too easy to make those things. But I'd be willing to speculate just the same, if the price were right.
Less than 390 mill = loss for the person that hauled it. There's no way it will drop below that. Why would it? They are BPOs, you can't "make" them, you buy them in ORE stations.
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
Less than 390 mill = loss for the person that hauled it. There's no way it will drop below that. Why would it? They are BPOs, you can't "make" them, you buy them in ORE stations.
Because its not people who hauled for profit who would sell below that price but people who bought a BPO, made some ships to cash in on the initial huge profit margins and are now moving on.
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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.01 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tasko Pal on 01/12/2010 17:25:37
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Sorry what? How could a price lower than what they were bought for possibly be fair? Who the hell is gonna fly all the way out there and buy them for 390 only to sell them on for a 90mill loss? Am I missing something or does this sound as daft to everyone else?
The problem here is that it appears that everyone and their kid sister already flew out there and picked up a pile of them. Right now, they can still be sold for above 390 mil (1@400, 1@395, and 3@391 in Jita at the moment). Industry makes sense at moment, but not in the long term [fixed]. A skilled alt working out of station, should be able make 10 noctis per BPO per day. So a skilled industrial alt even without fancy stuff or a POS, should be able to put out 90 noctis per day.
At a glance, there's roughly 500 destroyers sold in Jita per day. Two accounts with six alts dedicated to noctis production should be able to supply the entire noctis demand for Jita. That's a bit over 50 BPOS. My bet is that many noctis per day will saturate the entire Eve market, not just Jita, over time (though probably not in the next month or two). And from what I'm hearing and seeing, we probably have two orders of magnitude more noctis BPOs than we need.
Do the math. Tell me why a noctis BPO, in a market that has already crashed faster than predicted by MD, with orders of magnitude more supply than necessary, should have a fair price above NPC sell price?
My thinking is that noctis BPOs are going to sell well below NPC sell for a long time, perhaps until CCP creates a t2 noctis. I don't even think 300 mil is going to be the long term floor either. The fundamentals are amazingly bad.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.12.01 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jackie Fisher
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Less than 390 mill = loss for the person that hauled it. There's no way it will drop below that. Why would it? They are BPOs, you can't "make" them, you buy them in ORE stations.
Because its not people who hauled for profit who would sell below that price but people who bought a BPO, made some ships to cash in on the initial huge profit margins and are now moving on.
those people can only sell on contracts as manufacturing from the BPO has un-packaged it.
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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.01 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
those people can only sell on contracts as manufacturing from the BPO has un-packaged it.
And you're implying, of course, that you can't repackage an unresearched BPO. Never knew that. That's going to do weird things to the markets for noctis BPOs.
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Swidgen
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Posted - 2010.12.01 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 Less than 390 mill = loss for the person that hauled it. There's no way it will drop below that. Why would it? They are BPOs, you can't "make" them, you buy them in ORE stations.
I'm sure quite a few were looted from wrecks after ganking haulers. A lot of profit there selling below the NPC price. |
Ave Volta
Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2010.12.01 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ave Volta on 01/12/2010 23:21:35 CCP said earlier today that something like 3100+ Noctis BPOs were sold in the first day.
Do you really still want one? If everyone start producing those pretty soon there will be enough for everyone to own 10. And we all know how much we all want salvage ships...
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.12.01 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 01/12/2010 23:44:48
Originally by: Jackie Fisher
Because its not people who hauled for profit who would sell below that price but people who bought a BPO, made some ships to cash in on the initial huge profit margins and are now moving on.
Hmm after thinking about it there do appear to be a large number of people who bought 10 or more copies just to get them into production quicker.... there may be a bit of 'below market' sales because of that for a while once the price dips down below 40mil/noctis.
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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.02 00:14:00 -
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9 BPOs @ 390 in contracts at Jita.
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2010.12.02 04:46:00 -
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Recall that NPC Price is commonly less than Base Price. For most items, NPC Price = (Base Price + 0.9), so the long run ask for the BPO from ORE NPC suppliers will be 351 MISK = (390 MISK + 0.9), presumably.
E.g., Rupture Blueprint: NPC Price of 61.875 MISK = (Base Price of 68.75 MISK + 0.9). á á
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Swift Redemption
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Posted - 2010.12.02 05:50:00 -
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Man, I'm glad I got in on that, though.
Paid off some outstanding debts, cleared the ones I made to buy up BPOs, and made a little bit for myself
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Illectroculus Defined
Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.02 07:44:00 -
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The price of the actual ship seems to have flattenned out around 60mill, however profit margins continue to shrink because mineral prices are rising (at least in Domain and Tash-Murkon). After the initial rush I'm still making 100+mill a day from my BPO's Vote Illectro for CSM5! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players |
Shing Fun
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2010.12.02 07:49:00 -
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Dont forget in Jugging Prices for the BPO, a looted BPO from a Player Wreck investet Iskis for the Ganker 0 zero. So these Guys will sell under NPC Price
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steave435
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.02 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Tasko Pal
Originally by: Mari Ket
390 is a fair price, in ORE. Otherwise, if you don't like it, go get it yourself.
As I was saying, in Jita, it looks like the fair price will get lower than 390. I see many months, perhaps even years before the oversupply of noctis BPOs will work itself out. It's too easy to make those things. But I'd be willing to speculate just the same, if the price were right.
Less than 390 mill = loss for the person that hauled it. There's no way it will drop below that. Why would it? They are BPOs, you can't "make" them, you buy them in ORE stations.
Yes there is. If so many were bought from NPCs for resale that there is not enough people willing to buy from other players for that price, then the haulers will have to choose between sitting with a BPO they can't sell forever or sell for less then they paid for it. Having the price drop below NPC sell will just mean that no new ones will be bought from them.
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Mike TheMiner
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Posted - 2010.12.02 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane Man, I'm glad I got in on that, though.
Me too, was a nice ride.
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