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Renz Whiteheart	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:56:00 - [1] Edited by: Renz Whiteheart on 02/12/2010 14:02:34 So I'm heading down to null-sec and discover the local rats turn out to be Guristas. As an Amarr pilot this stumps me somewhat because, quite frankly, these chaps laugh at our lasers (pew pew). I am cross-training for a drake for this reason but until then, is there anything I can do with a Zealot to improve my damage against them? Renz
Lili Lu	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:13:00 - [2] If you can fly a Zealot you can fly a Sacrilege. Hell you can probably passive shield tank it Alternately consider passive shielding a Curse with launchers in the highs, not neuts. Be careful with the drake plan though. It is getting a nerf soon. You might want to consider training for an Ishtar. Hard to beat Gallente tech II resists v guristas
Renz Whiteheart	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:16:00 - [3] How are drake's getting nerfed? I've only come back to EVE this week so this is news to me. I'll definitely have a look the Ishtar, I'm working toward a Raven so a Drake is a stepping stone I suppose.
Lili Lu	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:33:00 - [4] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1394389&page=1 Short synopsis- CCP is concerned about the Drake supremacy now that it is the vast majority of fleet pvp ships used, whereas all these years they've been unconcerned about it being the most prevalent and easiest route to level 4s and other pve uses. I'm a Drake hater. Although i have alts that use them, because hell why not if there is a ship that's an easy route. So of course many others who want to keep their overpowered BC or view the game from Caldari colored glasses will have differing opinion. Anyway, for your op, seriously try a shield tanked Curse or Sacrilege. They will be able to apply Kinetic damage against the Guristas. You will be able to fit BCUs with a shield tank so you should do plenty of damage. 2 LSEs, a thermic shield hardener, purger rigs, maybe SPR/PDS and a DC II along with the already high Kinetic resist should be good for tank.
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.03 10:32:00 - [5] Fly the Sac, you'll love it.
Rian O'Shea	Posted - 2010.12.03 10:42:00 - [6] Sac has crappy range on it's HAM's, a drake does similar total dps while having more range and being a whole lot cheaper. --- The whole problem with the universe is that fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubt.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.12.03 10:45:00 - [7] Originally by: Spectre Wraith Fly the Sac, you'll love it. And then you'll hate it. Range is a serious issue with the Sac, 17-18km is really bad when used for missions and ratting. Tanks pretty much anything thrown at it though, but you will be puttering around quite a lot to get in range. Drake is NOT getting nerfed. CCP are monitoring and are concerned with the effects of mass-missiles on server performance .. rest is paranoia talking. All ships become stupidly OP when numbers are scaled upwards .. it is the basis of Zeal, Bomber, BS, SC, Carrier etc. swarms .. It is one of the main problems with Eve warfare as I see it. More > Less is the root of lag issues as well as the escalation to almost 100% pure super-/capital fleets .. the overkill (blobbage) is akin to police using tactical nukes to disperse a crowd
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.03 10:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Renz Whiteheart How are drake's getting nerfed? I've only come back to EVE this week so this is news to me. I'll definitely have a look the Ishtar, I'm working toward a Raven so a Drake is a stepping stone I suppose. Rumors, they posted a lot more about learning skills and it took them years to fix them. Get the Drake not just for ratting but because they are a cheaper Fleet boat then a Zealot and can out gun a Sacrilige for Level 4's. If you already have good missile skills for the Sac get the Drake, if you are getting good missile skills for a Sac take the week to get Caldari cruisers and get a Drake. They are cheaper then Zealots, fit in Sheild Roams and Tank like crazy in Anoms. even if CCP roles out a patch in 6 months it will be worth the week or 2 of training. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Michael McDonald	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:03:00 - [9] Never cared too much for the suckrlige. Overall it is an underwhelming ship. It can have a nice tank, but the DPS and range is on the weak side. +1 for Ishtar though. You are never going to regret training drone skills as they translate to many other ships and uses. And as far as PVE null sec is concerned, Ishtar is a nice way to go. No need to break for ammo or have to stockpile a bunch in order to run anoms or rat. Just train up the correct T2 sentries along with Drone interfacing 5 and you are set.
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:16:00 - [10] I would defintiely rather have an Ishtar over a Sac any day of the week. The range on the Sac does leave quite a bit left to be desired, but if you only have Amarr cruiser....there really aren't alot of options until you get into a Drake.
Fried'chickenisha	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:34:00 - [11] The Drake is the most balanced ship CCP ever farted out.
Fastbikkel T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2010.12.03 12:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Renz Whiteheart Edited by: Renz Whiteheart on 02/12/2010 14:02:34 So I'm heading down to null-sec and discover the local rats turn out to be Guristas. As an Amarr pilot this stumps me somewhat because, quite frankly, these chaps laugh at our lasers ... Renz ??? Am i missing something here? Guristas (as i recall) fly caldari ships, use shields. Your Amarr lasers slice through that. The armor that follows isnt much either. I used to rat in 0.0 in my humble Maller and had no real issues. Ok battleships take a bit of time, but that was it. -If the enemy is in range, so are you-
Sessym Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.03 12:16:00 - [13] Edited by: Sessym on 03/12/2010 12:16:47 Originally by: Fastbikkel Originally by: Renz Whiteheart Edited by: Renz Whiteheart on 02/12/2010 14:02:34 So I'm heading down to null-sec and discover the local rats turn out to be Guristas. As an Amarr pilot this stumps me somewhat because, quite frankly, these chaps laugh at our lasers ... Renz ??? Am i missing something here? Guristas (as i recall) fly caldari ships, use shields. Your Amarr lasers slice through that. The armor that follows isnt much either. I used to rat in 0.0 in my humble Maller and had no real issues. Ok battleships take a bit of time, but that was it. Yes you are missing that Guristas tank like hell and are weak to KIN/THERM. Lzrs, cool as they may be, do only half (or less) thermal, the other half goes to waste on a 80%ish resist. I found that they fall to minmatar and their phased plasma much faster than they do to lasers. 0= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'So grab your guns.' Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow In the MMO world, EVE players are the left-handed lesbian mechanics.
Lili Lu	Posted - 2010.12.03 18:34:00 - [14] Edited by: Lili Lu on 03/12/2010 18:36:13 Edited by: Lili Lu on 03/12/2010 18:34:49 Originally by: Fastbikkel Am i missing something here? Guristas (as i recall) fly caldari ships, use shields. Your Amarr lasers slice through that. The armor that follows isnt much either. I used to rat in 0.0 in my humble Maller and had no real issues. Ok battleships take a bit of time, but that was it. Yes you are missing that all shields are not created equal, especially npc shields. Anyway, to the OP again. Yes the Sacrilege is not ideal because of the range on HAMs. A MWD in belt ratting ameliorates this problem. An ab in deadspace, not so much. But if you can fly a Curse, fit it with heavy missiles and 5 tech II medium thermal or kinetic bonused droneage and you will do allright. Not sure if/how much the Drake would do better for dps, although it does get the kinetic missile bonus and 7 launchers it does not get 5 bonused medium drones. Teh tank of course would be better on the Drake so it has more solo anom ability. But you did ask if there were any Amarr options. There you go, the best that can be done in the situation. edit- I suppose an arty abaddon might be another option. But yeah if you are going to live there a long time crosstraining Gallente or Caldari will serve you better. Cross training is something every main character should do anyway, unless it's being trained straight for a specific ship, like a specific cap or supercap. another edit- side benfit to the Curse is hostiles might think you are already there hunting and not npc-ing

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